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Need some help fellas. I"ve got a guy interested in buying my Florida titled 1972 CB350four Honda. You may recall I mentioned on this forum that it was for sale a couple months back.

The buyer lives in California. Claims he's concerned about buying a vintage bike from an out of state source because it's so hard and takes so long to get it registered in California.

Anybody out there know their stuff about this subject?

HELP...

Gary

 
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No, be careful Gary. I don't now If I would by a vintage bike on the other side of the USA. Just sayin. If I was looking for anything vintage I would want to see it in person first.

Good luck,

Dave

 
Methinks that's mostly nonsense. Assuming it's a vintage later than when Calif began requiring more stringent emissions equipment (e.g., PAIR system, cat. converter and/or charcoal canister) than the other 49 states, then the only real issue is whether it has 7,500 miles or more on it. If it does, no problem.

My FJR is a 49 states model, bought new while I was living in Nevada. When I came back to Calif, it had over 7,500 miles on it and it was no problem to register (a half hour?). Same thing with the '03 Honda Blackbird I bought used while in Nevada and returned with. The only extra requirement was that I had to take both to the DMV office where an agent checked my engine nos. on cases, SNs on the frames, and checked to see that the bikes had the emissions stickers required in the state of origin (i.e., the 49 state model EPA stickers). It helps to locate all those numbers before the trip to the DMV, so you can assist the agent in finding them.

If anything, I'd expect vintage bikes to have even fewer problems, not least because back in the day, no one was making 49 state and Cali versions of the same models.

Have him do the research, put the responsibility for any issues with registration on him, don't let your bike head across the country without money in hand and a signed bill of sale that specifically delineates who has what rights and responsibilities once it ships or is delivered to him or his agent. I'd beware anyone who wants to make unspecified registration "requirements" your problem unless it's just laziness and ignorance on his part. So I think I'd ask him to lay out, in writing, exactly what is required with citations to the California Vehicle Code. If there is a specific issue raised re: your bike, then at least it's addressable, but the general whine doesn't provide anything useful.

GLWS

 
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7,500 miles and a clear title and good to go. When I bought the little 125 Yamaha I made sure the odd was over 7,500. Bought in Az, registered in CA.

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No, be careful Gary. I don't now If I would by a vintage bike on the other side of the USA. Just sayin. If I was looking for anything vintage I would want to see it in person first.
Good luck,

Dave
Gary is the seller.

 
Yeah, but it was a 1958 Dodge truck I bought in Colorado in 1974. And I later returned again to Cali from Colorado with a Colorado plated 1956 Ford truck that I reregistered here in 1977 or '78. I also sold my Colorado plated '75 Kawasaki Z1 in California in '78, but think I sold it with Colorado plates rather than reregistering it in Cali first. Probably all too long ago to be of any help.

I did a quick google search to try to guess the issue(s) for which you might be seeking answers. Or the issues that the prospective buyer might have raised. My best guess is that this could be about emissions equipment, and if so, then maybe about exemptions. If that guess is warm, then the dates of my above referenced transactions in out of state vehicles are certainly too stale to be relevant.

The relevant facts about the bike's emissions and exhaust equipment, the mileage, and whatever issues you understand are involved are not provided. Though now retired from it, I sometimes get interested enough in legal issues to amuse myself researching the answers, but under the circumstances, the best I can do is suggest you google the issue in California and compare what turns up to the facts that you know.

GLWS - hoping you'll let us know what the issue(s) are and what their resolution is.

 
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Before I delete all my search's potentially relevant tabs, here's maybe the broadest/most useful, from which maybe you'll see something that matches up with the facts you know:

https://www.etags.com/blog/california-title-transfers-buying-selling-moving/

I'm out now -- to a wake tomorrow in north Tahoe. One of the nicest people I've known, dead of a heart attack at 63, 3 years after retiring from a career of operating heavy equipment.

 
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Before I delete all my search's potentially relevant tabs, here's maybe the broadest/most useful, from which maybe you'll see something that matches up with the facts you know:
https://www.etags.com/blog/california-title-transfers-buying-selling-moving/

I'm out now -- to a wake tomorrow in north Tahoe. One of the nicest people I've known, dead of a heart attack at 63, 3 years after retiring from a career of operating heavy equipment.
I read the document. The part that throws me is the registration requirement. I copied part of it below.

When you buy a vehicle from out of state or you move to California and bring your vehicle with you, you will need:

  • A Title or Registration Application Form (REG 343) signed by all owners registered on the vehicle.
  • If the registered owner of the vehicle is changing (in the case of buying a vehicle from out of state), you’ll need the out-of-state title
  • The last issued out-of state registration or the most recent renewal notice sent for the current year showing the vehicle owner’s names and the registration expiration date
  • A completed Vehicle Verification form (REG 31) filled out band signed by a DMV employee (no charge), a law enforcement officer, or a private and licensed vehicle verifier
  • A smog test and certification from an approved California smog station for gasoline powered-vehicles from 1976 or newer (excluding motorcycles), diesel powered vehicles from 1998 or newer under 14,0001 lbs., and natural gas or propane powered vehicles under 14,001 lbs
  • You will be required to hand in your out-of-state license plate unless the plate is expired, the state which it is licensed in requires that you return it, or if it will be an inter-state registered vehicle
  • Payment of the appropriate fees to transfer the title and license and register the vehicle will be required
Notice point number 3 above concerning the registration. Who ever heard of this? If this fella wants to buy my Florida titled Honda, he has to have not only the signed title, but the last registration as well? Anybody know anything about this? California requires both documents? I've never heard of anything like this in any state before.

Any input on this one would be helpful.

Gary

 
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The web site can't be trusted. When I bought my used 08 wing in 2012 with 12, 700 miles from Oregon I had to bring in the bike for a emissions sticker and vin numbers (bike and engine) inspection before I could register it in ca.

Not sure what they want with an older bike but the buyer should go talk to the local DMV as every office may be a bit different. California government in action.

 
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When I was considering buying BeemerDons Miss Lucy Liu, I was similarly concerned/confused.

Having been reassured that, other than proper docs (signed pink slip & registration), the vehicle needed at least 7500 miles on the ODO at time of sale, I flew to PHX.

In PHX we went to the bank, exchanged money & vehicle docs, and I rode back to CA.

The next day I rode to AAA office** (they have friendly agents doing DMV transactions and shorter lines!) and presented the vehicle docs. The agent followed me to the parking lot where she verified the (above mentioned) numbers & ODO , took me back inside and relieved me of the DMV fees and that was it.

Other than the trip to the parking lot for numbers verification since it was an out of state registered vehicle, the procedure was the same as when I bought my Blackbird from a neighbor.

**Being a AAA member and using the AAA office for DMV transactions is worth every penny. I actually look forward to my trips there when vehicle registrations are due: no online fees, no mailing checks and waiting for tags to arrive. Walk in, walk out!

 
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Still learning here. In Florida, you simply bring in the title. End of story. Do I understand that I've got to have a registration too? My daughter hasn't registered the bike in over 2 years, and now that she's moved from Orlando to Tacoma, WA, she can't seem to find it. UGGGH. Are you guys sure about this, you HAVE to produce a registration AND the title?

Gary

 
What did Bret and Douglas JUST say?? It's not that hard to call your Florida DMV and ask them for a copy of your last valid registration. If it's that big of deal, so spend $30 and register it. You're making this a bigger pain in the ass than it needs to be, for a guy that's probably not going to buy it. If he was serious, he'd have known all these answers before he called.

 
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Oh. Forgot this part.

A BIG deal was the original OEM emissions sticker.

On the little 125 Yammie, it was on the rear fender under the seat.

The AAA lady told me no sticker, no registration.

 
California is asking for the last paid registration papers because they charge an annual fee for non-operational status, so renewing after, say, a 2-year lapse results in additional charges. I don't know whether that would apply to vehicles coming from out of state; I'm guessing not. I had no issues registering my 1983 Honda CB1000 when I moved to CA from AZ about 18 months ago, and I'd think your buyer won't either.

 
What did Bret and Douglas JUST say?? It's not that hard to call your Florida DMV and ask them for a copy of your last valid registration. If it's that big of deal, so spend $30 and register it. You're making this a bigger pain in the ass than it needs to be, for a guy that's probably not going to buy it. If he was serious, he'd have known all these answers before he called.
My, my... feeling a little hot under the collar, AJ? Just take a deep breath, you can make it through this...
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What did Bret and Douglas JUST say?? It's not that hard to call your Florida DMV and ask them for a copy of your last valid registration. If it's that big of deal, so spend $30 and register it. You're making this a bigger pain in the ass than it needs to be, for a guy that's probably not going to buy it. If he was serious, he'd have known all these answers before he called.
My, my... feeling a little hot under the collar, AJ? Just take a deep breath, you can make it through this... :)
Haha...sorry buddy. That came off more dickish than I meant. You know I love you!! What I'm saying, is you are a smart man. Smarter than many I know. Stop letting this guy clown you and let him figure it out. If he's serious, he will. It seems pretty straightforward.

Seems there are a lot of people on the Internet stroking sellers, by playing games with post-purchase registration. Another friend here just ran into the same type of thing on a dirt bike.

The right buyer is out there.

 
What did Bret and Douglas JUST say?? It's not that hard to call your Florida DMV and ask them for a copy of your last valid registration. If it's that big of deal, so spend $30 and register it. You're making this a bigger pain in the ass than it needs to be, for a guy that's probably not going to buy it. If he was serious, he'd have known all these answers before he called.
My, my... feeling a little hot under the collar, AJ? Just take a deep breath, you can make it through this...
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The right buyer is out there.
You are indeed right. It's not easy selling an old vintage bike like this. The buyers are few and far between. I know there are buyers out there, I talk to them all the time. But I have a lot of competition. Buyers are often siphoned off by similar bikes for sale all over the country with less miles or more shine. More than once I've lost out because buyers are leary of buying from someone so far away: it's "sight unseen" as the old saying goes. And I don't blame them. I'd be hesitant to buy a bike from across the country that I couldn't see and hear: especially one that was 45 years old.

That said, I was contacted Sunday by a lady here in town. She just loves this particular bike. She's been to the local dealers and nothing there excites her like the old vintage iron. Ha... did I say iron? Do they even have IRON in Japan?
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She's planning to come look at it with a mechanic friend and her hubby this weekend. Let's hope this is the one. That California fella has become strangely silent since Friday. He was all excited about buying the bike and was asking questions about registration hassles. He mentioned that his decision was between my bike and another local one that he found. He said that the California bike he saw wasn't as nice as he thought it was, but that's the last I heard from him. He may have indeed bought the local bike he was looking at.

Gary

 
I realize the timing for this is way off but if it goes unsold until Spring I know there is a big vintage meet held during Dayton Bike Week. I've never been but friends of mine who are pretty serious about old stuff go every year. Hoping you can move it before then but just wanted to let you know.

 
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