An artsy pic by OM

[Bearly Flying]

Get a room already.... Sheesh.Leg hump

 

[exskibum]

(Rich, let's see who can get to five first!)

YIKES!!!! I PROMISE you, it ain't gonna be me!! That distinction can be all yours (or maybe beemerdon's??).

:shivering fear icon:

I don't like abuse or emotional pain that much, but hey, maybe we're gonna have to start calling you "Insane Michael".

Really good, your pillion rider is really good at riding , great lean and position.

Thanks, and yeah, she is. She basically had no experience 3 years ago, but the key is probably that she is also an expert equestrienne (some real similarities if you think about it). I've told her a couple things, the most important of which was probably about looking all the way through turns, which slowed things down for her. Still, she has a pretty innate sense for it, and when she's into it in the twisties, she is nearly invisible back there. She also lets me move on the seat to throw that loaded pig around when necessary, with no interference. Judy is easily the best pillion I've ever had on the back, and proved she could handle a week of long days with some tough conditions last summer after CFR.

 

[Old Michael]

Really good, your pillion rider is really good at riding , great lean and position.

Thanks, and yeah, she is. She basically had no experience 3 years ago, but the key is probably that she is also an expert equestrienne (some real similarities if you think about it). I've told her a couple things, the most important of which was probably about looking all the way through turns, which slowed things down for her. Still, she has a pretty innate sense for it, and when she's into it in the twisties, she is nearly invisible back there. She also lets me move on the seat to throw that loaded pig around when necessary, with no interference. Judy is easily the best pillion I've ever had on the back, and proved she could handle a week of long days with some tough conditions last summer after CFR.

...Plus, she's hot.

 

[beemerdons]

"...Plus, she's hot. followed by smirky smily" Dear Old Michael, have you forgotten something important? I'm sure exskibum will back me up on this one, this statement "she's hot" is always very 1st thought that's gone through our collective thought processes of Rich, Myself and You leading right up to another ex-wife on our rosters. This "she's hot" always leads to an ex!

 

[Bungie]

This "she's hot" always leads to an ex!

Man, isn't that the truth.

 

[exskibum]

This "she's hot" always leads to an ex!

Man, isn't that the truth.

Woof+10

By Gawd, Don, seldom can something so profound be distilled to something so short. Clearly, we're F'ed, because there is NOTHING in that to argue or hair split about. THAT is what they have on us, and once we get past likin' one, we all seem to have this automatic commitment/belief/certainty about how HAWT our woman is. That is, until she goes batshit crazy, the big D commences, and . . . well, that's where the last four words of your wisdom comes in.

:dribble: :blink:

 

[MEM]

This "she's hot" always leads to an ex!

Man, isn't that the truth.

Woof+10

By Gawd, Don, seldom can something so profound be distilled to something so short. Clearly, we're F'ed, because there is NOTHING in that to argue or hair split about. THAT is what they have on us, and once we get past likin' one, we all seem to have this automatic commitment/belief/certainty about how HAWT our woman is. That is, until she goes batshit crazy, the big D commences, and . . . well, that's where the last four words of your wisdom comes in.

:dribble: :blink:

Hey guys. I have nothing to add to this repartee but I do have a question. What is the logic - if there is any - to this "hot" wife/gf/so "always leads to an ex" ? What am I missing?

Yes, I have to ask .....

 

[beemerdons]

This "she's hot" always leads to an ex!

Man, isn't that the truth.

Woof+10

By Gawd, Don, seldom can something so profound be distilled to something so short. Clearly, we're F'ed, because there is NOTHING in that to argue or hair split about. THAT is what they have on us, and once we get past likin' one, we all seem to have this automatic commitment/belief/certainty about how HAWT our woman is. That is, until she goes batshit crazy, the big D commences, and . . . well, that's where the last four words of your wisdom comes in.

:dribble: :blink:

Hey guys. I have nothing to add to this repartee but I do have a question. What is the logic - if there is any - to this "hot" wife/gf/so "always leads to an ex" ? What am I missing?

Yes, I have to ask .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_defense Rich, I know you and I are rational, so let's do the "Sergeant Schultz Defense"!!!

Old Michael, I know you well Good Friend and how you like whistling past the Devil in the Graveyard! You're on your own, OM!

 

[exskibum]

Hey guys. I have nothing to add to this repartee but I do have a question. What is the logic - if there is any - to this "hot" wife/gf/so "always leads to an ex" ? What am I missing?
Yes, I have to ask .....

I thought the saying was: "The problem with men is that they just don't get it until you tell them."??



But here goes:

If'n she wasn't "HAWT" to us, we wouldn't date, be intimate, get married.

No divorce is possible without a marriage, which happens when her "batshit crazy" appears.

Ergo, the natural consequence of a divorce, which is dependent upon the existence of a marriage, is the creation of [another] EX.

S'far as I can tell beemerdons engaged in perfect man logic there. Profound even. B)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_defense Rich, I know you and I are rational, so let's do the "Sergeant Schultz Defense"!!!

Awww ****, Don! There I go posting before thinking again. You're right: "I Know Nothing! Nothing!"

Just proves how easy it is for the wimmins to trap us into illogical circumstances.

 

[MEM]

Hey guys. I have nothing to add to this repartee but I do have a question. What is the logic - if there is any - to this "hot" wife/gf/so "always leads to an ex" ? What am I missing?
Yes, I have to ask .....

I thought the saying was: "The problem with men is that they just don't get it until you tell them."??



But here goes:

If'n she wasn't "HAWT" to us, we wouldn't date, be intimate, get married.

No divorce is possible without a marriage, which happens when her "batshit crazy" appears.

Ergo, the natural consequence of a divorce, which is dependent upon the existence of a marriage, is the creation of [another] EX.

S'far as I can tell beemerdons engaged in perfect man logic there. Profound even. B)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_defense Rich, I know you and I are rational, so let's do the "Sergeant Schultz Defense"!!!

Awww ****, Don! There I go posting before thinking again. You're right: "I Know Nothing! Nothing!"

Just proves how easy it is for the wimmins to trap us into illogical circumstances.

Thanks Rich. At least you provided a bit more than Don's "***** defense". I still don't get it. The way you guys talked, the fact that OTHER guys find the SO 'hot' is what leads to an ex. And that 'hot' is somehow related to 'batshit crazy'. And an 'ex' can occur - married or not. OK - I give up. I'm getting confused now

I AM married; ergo, conclusions I may draw: I'm hot to at least one man (or I USED to be) and it's just a matter of time before I become 'batshit crazy'. And become an ex.

 

[wheatonFJR]

I like that artsy piccie by OM. Pretty cool.

 

[Bungie]

I AM married; ergo, conclusions I may draw: I'm hot to at least one man (or I USED to be) and it's just a matter of time before I become 'batshit crazy'. And become an ex.

Lemme take a shot at this.

Take an exceptional looking woman, she's been fending off, successfully or not, men since her teens. She's always had them wrapped around her finger, mostly. Over the years, this leads to superficial sense of self worth, but on another level, huge problems with self esteem (because her self esteem over the years was built on exactly one thing).

Now, said girl can get any damn guy she pleases. So when things start not going well, they either bail, or attempt to 'fix' the problem (which usually they have no experience with, see option 'bail'). Either way, she's going to end up an ex. Its a no win. They end up batshit NUTS because of the cycle. Basically, the prettier and more desirable a woman is, the crazier she is. Their are exceptions, but that's just the Perado rule coming into the equation.

A long time ago I was given the following advice and I'm just sorry to say it absolutely works.

"Treat a princess like a ****, and a **** like a princess".

Pretty girl? Don't tell her how hot you think she is. Make fun of her hair or her *** or something. She'll damn near beat down the walls trying to 'get you'. Its that inflated sense of self-esteem thing.

Pffft.. what do I know, I've been single my whole life, drinkin' and fishing and riding bikes and coming and going as I please... hey.. WAIT A SEC!!

 

[MEM]

I AM married; ergo, conclusions I may draw: I'm hot to at least one man (or I USED to be) and it's just a matter of time before I become 'batshit crazy'. And become an ex.

Lemme take a shot at this.

Take an exceptional looking woman, she's been fending off, successfully or not, men since her teens. She's always had them wrapped around her finger, mostly. Over the years, this leads to superficial sense of self worth, but on another level, huge problems with self esteem (because her self esteem over the years was built on exactly one thing).

Now, said girl can get any damn guy she pleases. So when things start not going well, they either bail, or attempt to 'fix' the problem (which usually they have no experience with, see option 'bail'). Either way, she's going to end up an ex. Its a no win. They end up batshit NUTS because of the cycle. Basically, the prettier and more desirable a woman is, the crazier she is. Their are exceptions, but that's just the Perado rule coming into the equation.

A long time ago I was given the following advice and I'm just sorry to say it absolutely works.

"Treat a princess like a ****, and a **** like a princess".

Pretty girl? Don't tell her how hot you think she is. Make fun of her hair or her *** or something. She'll damn near beat down the walls trying to 'get you'. Its that inflated sense of self-esteem thing.

Pffft.. what do I know, I've been single my whole life, drinkin' and fishing and riding bikes and coming and going as I please... hey.. WAIT A SEC!!

Thanks Steve. That makes the most sense - in a perverse kind of way. Soul-baring here....my husband RARELY compliments me (except on my cooking :blink: ) - never on how I look or act - unless I ask. He USED to make fun of me - he called it teasing - until he finally got the point that I didn't appreciate it. I think he could have done a LOT worse than me - and that's not from an inflated sense of self-esteem. Trust me, I did NOT "damn near beat down the walls trying to "get <him>" .... or keep him... or whatever.

I'm not even drinking for gawd's sake.....

OM - sorry for the major hijack here ! Seems I'm always apologizing for that ....

 

[exskibum]

Some great stuff there, Steve.

For Mary Ellen -- here's some stuff a lot of women don't seem to get, maybe because it goes against the prevailing myths (I'm not talking about truly dysfunctional, violent or otherwise bad men):

First, we DO have feelings, intense ones. More than many women understand and maybe even more than a lot of women have. Both genders are individual humans at bottom.

Second, we fall in love and want to do the right thing most of the time, but all of us are imperfect.

Third, and something I think most men feel: I don't care a lick if other men think my woman is hot or not. It's not a comment about me, and if they indicate they do, I simply feel good for HER and the boost a nice compliment gives her. Seriously. OTOH, it can be a pain in the *** if she's SO hot that men fall all over themselves about her. I take it as a given that if I think she's hot, then a lot of other men probably think she is, too. But I also know that everyone is attracted to different traits, personalities and looks. We all love to see the little girl inside that she lets us see because she trusts us. What is pretty universal amongst good men is that once we fall in love with a woman, we truly, unshakably, committedly believe she is HAWT, a knockout, sexy as all get out, drop dead gorgeous, etc. We think that is even more true when she's in the throes of pleasure (with us in particular). It's one of those almost automatic responses that is a blessing to us and to you.

Fourth, we are mostly looking for a partner, not a trophy. So, personality counts, as does how you treat us. Those are very big. Please don't boss us around or scold us -- we want to be equals, we do pretty well taking care of ourselves without that input, and we usually don't need another boss/employer personality in our lives.

Fifth, it is possible for both genders to become less hawt to one another. Stop taking care of yourself, stop having respect for yourself, stop trying to be what you were when you met, start fights and invoke regular drama, jealousy, unfounded accusations, etc. and I think either is likely to find greener pastures before too long. Cheating, lying and other lack of integrity will work similar transformations. Aging, maturing, slowing down are all natural and are not a part of that.

And you're right: you don't have to be married to be an "EX", but it was easier to explain with the marital attribution -- the rest is the same with or without the paper (except the legal headaches).

Thank God for our differences, even if they do create friction some of the time.

CRAP -- I've hijacked my own thread!!! :confusedsmiley:

 

[MEM]

Some great stuff there, Steve.
For Mary Ellen -- here's some stuff a lot of women don't seem to get, maybe because it goes against the prevailing myths propagated by a lot of women. I'm not talking about truly dysfunctional, violent or otherwise bad men:

First, we DO have feelings, intense ones. More than you seem to get. maybe more than a lot of women.

Second, we fall in love and want to do the right thing most of the time, but all of us are imperfect.

Third and very important to understand: I don't care if other men think my woman is hot. Seriously. I take it as a given that if I think she is, then it's a certainty that a lot of other men think she is, too. But I also know that everyone is attracted to different traits, personalities and looks. What is pretty universal amongst good men is that we fall in love with a woman and truly, unshakably, committedly believe she is HAWT, a knockout, sexy as all get out, drop dead gorgeous, etc. We think that is even more true when she's in the throes of pleasure (with us in particular).

Fourth, we are mostly looking for a partner, not a trophy. So, personality counts, as does how you treat us. Those are very big.

Fifth, it is possible for both genders to become less hawt to one another. Stop taking care of yourself, stop having respect for yourself, stop trying to be what you were when you met, start fights and invoke regular drama, jealousy, unfounded accusations, etc. and I think either is likely to find greener pastures before too long. Aging, maturing, slowing down are all natural and are not a part of that.

And yes, you don't have to be married to be an "EX", but it was easier to explain with the marital attribution -- the rest is the same with or without the paper (except the legal headaches).

THANK YOU, Rich!!! A VERY well considered response. Actually, this is a keeper - for future reference

 

[Tyler]

I like that artsy piccie by OM. Pretty cool.

Smooth move, ExLax!

 

[Dr. Rich]

I like that artsy piccie by OM. Pretty cool.

Smooth move, ExLax!

To assist us with our efforts to get back to the original thread....

An Artsy Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man .... James Joyce!

 

[beemerdons]

I like that artsy piccie by OM. Pretty cool.

Smooth move, ExLax!

To assist us with our efforts to get back to the original thread....

An Artsy Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man .... James Joyce!

Dr. Rich: James Joyce or Oscar Wilde? Have to tell you a funny story of when Seth and I visited Dublin, Eire this past March.

Old Michael asked me to find and photograph Doolan's Pub in Hogan Square, where his "Da" used to drink after working days.

The entire O'Keeffe Irish Clan resided for years in this part of Dublin and I got a picture of O'Keeffe General Store from 1910.

Thanks to my(and SkooterG's) friend Seamus MacTreinfhir, who only emigrated to U.S. decade ago, got Doolan's Pub location.

It's halfway between Merrion Square, with famous stature of Oscar Wilde reclining on the rock wearing a cape, and Hogan.

With Oscar W's particular orientation, area has become a haven for the Dublin Gay Community, I was somewhat very apprehensive walking my young son Seth (then 12) into Doolan's, if it had become Young Gay Irishman's night club/party bar.

But, was happy to report to Old Michael, twas the same workingman's bar that his "Da" O'Keeffe frequented many years ago!

 

[JT 384]

Those are great pics!