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cougar8000
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linky no worky
fjrchik
Just a girl in the world, having rode 3 FJRs
cougar8000
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Damn the BIG brother. I would have to see it at home.
Interesting. Works for me, and is the same link as FJRChik's. I'll investigate !
Ah yes. Ignore my last post, then.
Interesting read. Seems like FJRs, ST1300s, Goldwings, and STs would make up the list of ABS motorcycles given: "The findings were based on a data set of 72,000 insured years of 2003-2007 model year Honda, Suzuki, Triumph and Yamaha bikes." Just looking at those bikes, most aren't ridden by the 18-21 group unlike the Rs, CBR, and GSXR. They are also seldom first bikes, unlike the SS models which frequently are wrecked by new riders before hitting 1k.
What would be interesting to see would be the non-ABS FJRs v the ABS FJRs and the same for any model for which ABS is/has been optional with otherwise comparable bike design. FWIW, I like my ABS, but I never wished for ABS on my FZ6.
What would be interesting to see would be the non-ABS FJRs v the ABS FJRs and the same for any model for which ABS is/has been optional with otherwise comparable bike design. FWIW, I like my ABS, but I never wished for ABS on my FZ6.
fjrchik
Just a girl in the world, having rode 3 FJRs
whoops, i was just passing by and saw that he couldn't read it so i just threw mine up. didn't realize they were the same. my bad.
Toecutter
What would DoG do?
Now there's a name....
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
The paragraph you referenced spoke of apparently reduced collision claims without specifying whether they compared similar or widely different models, just that they compared ABS and non-ABS.
But the paragraph preceding that one did say specifically that the fatality rate was lower on the same bikes when equipped with ABS, 6.6 fatal crashes per 10,000 bikes without ABS vs. 4.1 with ABS.
happyPuppy
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One time a few years ago I know for sure ABS helped from a low side and wet leaves. It was my own dumb fault it looked like just a few leaves ( 2 or 3 in my mind) , and I was leaning up after a curve , and in fact it was a pretty big pile. The brakes chattered a bit and the rear slid a bit . I am sure I would have had on too much brake and down I would have gone. One reason I picked the FJR was ABS.
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I really love when they drag out this old saw:
To me this is akin to saying "Some riders can better avoid accidents by not wearing a helmet"
I really do not see the logic behind this counter argument. Just because a handful of track studs can stop a bike faster in very limited circumstances does not (in my mind) negate the usefulness or effectiveness of ABS.
To me this is akin to saying "Some riders can better avoid accidents by not wearing a helmet"
Knifemaker
Not me
This is a bit dated , but still good info:
https://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html
Note that the "experianced racer" was not able to stop his non abs bike sooner than a person new to riding on an abs equiped bike when the road surface was wet.
ABS availability was one of the MAJOR reasons I picked the FJR. That report had a big impact in my desision.
KM
cougar8000
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It was a problem with Firefox and not with a Big brother. Had to use IE to look at the linky.
Maybe my insurance company sees this report and drops my premium.
Maybe my insurance company sees this report and drops my premium.
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
That comes from the common misconception that ABS reduces stopping distance. It does not. That was never its purpose. What it does do is keep the wheels rolling, which keeps the vehicle (car, bike, airplane, whatever) in control. But if there's a lot of sand on the surface of the pavement, you'd be amazed at how long it takes to stop!!!
It also does not generate traction, and I honestly don't understand how people believe that at all. It maximizes the use of available traction, though.
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Rolavine
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I looked up the preliminary of the this report at
https://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4309.pdf
and found it included a rather broad range of cycles including several scooters, so the guess that it was centered on sports touring bikes was not so.
Also, the chart showing the number of insurance repair claims was interesting as it was lower for ABS bikes but the amortized cost of repairs was about the same. This leads me to believe that the ABS bikes were the cream of the crop and may have been in better condition then the non abs control group. Also, the ABS bikes generally have cost more and may reflect a better heeled class of owner. And last, this study was not concerned with number of non accident miles by each class of bike, as that information would not be readily available. Also, this study by its very nature would be more affected by the makes of bikes that have a smaller membership in the class of non abs than FJR's. I mean FJR's must be 50% ABS, but bikes like the Honda Reflex Scooter (honest its included in the study) must be about 90% non ABS. This means the scooter kids have a disproportional representation of the non ABS forces.
In short, I'm willing to believe that ABS brakes save crashes and lives, but not to the extent reported by this study. Too many accidents have nothing to do with brakes for fatalities to be down by a third. but what do I know. It just seems like another flawed study, poorly funded and pounded into something based only on easily available data and then sensationalized as if it was absolute truth.
https://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4309.pdf
and found it included a rather broad range of cycles including several scooters, so the guess that it was centered on sports touring bikes was not so.
Also, the chart showing the number of insurance repair claims was interesting as it was lower for ABS bikes but the amortized cost of repairs was about the same. This leads me to believe that the ABS bikes were the cream of the crop and may have been in better condition then the non abs control group. Also, the ABS bikes generally have cost more and may reflect a better heeled class of owner. And last, this study was not concerned with number of non accident miles by each class of bike, as that information would not be readily available. Also, this study by its very nature would be more affected by the makes of bikes that have a smaller membership in the class of non abs than FJR's. I mean FJR's must be 50% ABS, but bikes like the Honda Reflex Scooter (honest its included in the study) must be about 90% non ABS. This means the scooter kids have a disproportional representation of the non ABS forces.
In short, I'm willing to believe that ABS brakes save crashes and lives, but not to the extent reported by this study. Too many accidents have nothing to do with brakes for fatalities to be down by a third. but what do I know. It just seems like another flawed study, poorly funded and pounded into something based only on easily available data and then sensationalized as if it was absolute truth.
I am inclined to agree with about everything that you said. It smelled fishy when I first read it.
And for the record, I am a supporter of ABS. But not of bad "science"
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gasportrider
gasportrider
RoadRacingWorld offered up 2 links for this report. There is also an opportunity to email for a detailed study of ABS performance in a group of recent models.
Both the standard FJR and the AE are reported to be in the study.
Insurance Institue for Highway Safety
Associated Press Article
For a copy of “Antilock braking systems for motorcycles and insurance collision losses” by M. Moore and Y. Yan or
“Effectiveness of antilock braking systems in reducing fatal motorcycle crashes” by E. Teoh,
write: Publications, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, 1005 N. Glebe Rd., Arlington, VA 22201,
or email [email protected].
Email for Publications at IIHS.org
Both the standard FJR and the AE are reported to be in the study.
Insurance Institue for Highway Safety
Associated Press Article
For a copy of “Antilock braking systems for motorcycles and insurance collision losses” by M. Moore and Y. Yan or
“Effectiveness of antilock braking systems in reducing fatal motorcycle crashes” by E. Teoh,
write: Publications, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, 1005 N. Glebe Rd., Arlington, VA 22201,
or email [email protected].
Email for Publications at IIHS.org
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