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It's a long story but I had to ditch the OEM heated grips. I want to splice in symtec heaters and use gel grips. Anyone know how? I have tried several ways and can't get the symtec to get warm. I need to know specifics about the wiring. For example, connect the red and blue from symtec to blah blah blah of the OEM setup. Any help would really be appreciated.

 
Remember, the OEM heat controller won't allow heat until the engine is running.

Home brewed schematic:

GenIIHeatedGripsSchematic-1.jpg


 
oops, guess i'll try it with the motor on. I hate electrical stuff.
Any progress to report? There's been other posts in the past where it's been suggested (for those that do not have heated grips in a GENII) to purchase an OEM controller and splice in Symtec (or other) heaters and use your grips of choice, Other then ionbeam's post above I've never seen any detail on how to do this. I may be interested in pursuing this idea myself, so if you could post your progress/solution I'd appreciate it.

 
I have been meaning to do a write up about it, including a couple pictures. I will try this weekend, but yes it works and is actually not that hard to do.

 
I recently finished wiring some symtec heaters into the factory OEM system. After having a hard time finding out how to do it I thought I would share my work with the forum so people coming behind me would know how to do it. First let me say 95% of the credit should go to ABQFJR. He spent a couple weeks and about 25 PM's helping me figure out how to do this. He does not know me from Adam and was still willing to help me. Talk about a stand up guy. I'm not sure I could have done the same. Second let me say that I do not claim to be an expert on electrical matter, in fact all I really know is how to use a multimeter and how to connect wires. Luckily that is about all you need to know in order to make this work. Thirdly, I don't want to get into a debate about what grips heaters are better or why you should choose A over B. I went with symtec because I have used them before, they work well, and they are cheap.
The obvious question is why would you want to get rid of perfectly good heated grips if you have the OEM's on your bike. In my case I broke the throttle grip while trying to install a G2 throttle tamer. BTW, my grips where GLUED onto the bars and I tried all the tricks in the book to get them off without any luck. If you decide to install a G2, be warned. The other reason to ditch the OEM grips is because, IMO, they suck. They are very hard and I wanted to install some gel grips. Plus, I can't help screwing with my bike and trying to make things better even when it might not make them better. Make sense?
The first thing to understand is that the OEM grips are run in series and the symtec must be run in parallel. That doesn't really mean anything if you install them the way I show you, but it does help to understand that you won't use all of the OEM connectors (I will explain). As you can see in ionbeam's drawing, one grip is wired to the next grip, series. You are not going to do that. You are going to run positive (pos) to one grip, and pos to the other grip. Then you will run negative (neg) to one grip and neg to the other.
The first step is finding the pos wire from the OEM sytem and the neg wire from the OEM sytem. Each OEM grip has 2 wires coming from it with male connectors connecting to 2 female connectors (I don't know what you call that type of connector, someone can chime in) like the one pictured below. This picture shows the clutch side connector with one wire being nothing (actually its the wire connecting the 2 grips in series that you are not going to use) and the other wire is the pos.

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I used a multimeter to determine which of the 2 wires had power. Remember that the engine must be RUNNING in order for you to get 12+ volt reading, without the engine running and just the ignition on I got 1.8V. The next picture below shows the thottle side female connectors with one being nothing and the other being neg.

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You can cap off the "nothing" wires however you want to. ABQFJR told me he ran a wire from one nothing to the other nothing so that he could preserve the integrity of the connections. I just used some heat and melted the end closed because I knew I was never going to use the OEM grips again. Now that you have your pos identified and your neg identified you can hook up the symtecs. Each symtec heater has 3 wires coming off it, red, blue, and white. The symtecs are setup for a high/low switch with one wire to high, one wire to low, one wire to ground. You are using the OEM heat troller so that does not apply. You will run blue & red to pos and white to neg. I used waterproof butt connectors for my connections but you can use whatever you want.
You have 2 ends coming from the OEM system (1 pos, 1 neg) but you need 4 ends for connecting to the symtecs. For the pos side I used the male end with 2" of wire that I snipped off from the OEM grips. I used two 2" pieces of wire from the symtecs and butt connected them to the male end of the OEM piece of wire that I cut off. I then did the same thing on the neg side. Now you should have 2 pos wires and 2 neg wires. If you wanted to skip a connection you could run blue/red from one side of the symtecs and blue/red from the other side and connect all 4 to the pos. That would be 4 wires into 1 and I did not have a butt connector that would work well. All you have to do now is hook them up. Red/blue from one symtec to the pos and the white to neg. Red/blue from the other symtec to the other pos and the white to the other neg. Actually polarity does not matter so if you want to connect red/blue to neg, knock yourself out.

So how well do they work? I like the softer grips for sure. I can't say my hands are any less fatigued but they do feel better and give me the option of changing grips down the road if needed. Heat wise, the OEM and symtec are about equal. I would say that the OEM got hotter faster but that could be related to the different grip materials. If I HAD to do it over I would probably stick with the OEM grip just because it's a cleaner connection. The problem for me (or anyone else who loses a grip heater) is they don't sell just one replacement heated grip as far as I could tell. They don't even sell a SET of new OEM heated grips. I called Yamaha and they told me they only sell the complete kit. Anyway, I hope this information is useful to the next person that needs new heaters or wants softer grips. And again, thank ABQFJR. He did this before me so the credit should go to him. Enjoy!

 
"The problem for me (or anyone else who loses a grip heater) is they don't sell just one replacement heated grip as far as I could tell."

Hot Grips brand does. I had to replace my left one only due to physical damage. Called the owner, Jim Hollander, up and had a new one sent out right away for about $36. Very good product and customer service.

 
I recently finished wiring some symtec heaters into the factory OEM system. After having a hard time finding out how to do it I thought I would share my work with the forum so people coming behind me would know how to do it. First let me say 95% of the credit should go to ABQFJR. He spent a couple weeks and about 25 PM's helping me figure out how to do this.
Thanks leclairk and ABQFJR for this post. I don't currently have heated grips but I bought a used OEM grip controller and I intend to install the Symtec heaters as you have.

I have a few questions:

1) Since I don't actually HAVE the OEM grips, I can't follow where they are plugged into the harness (those look like bullet connectors in the photo). I assume that there are two sets of the plugs that you're showing in the photos? Where are they? Is it necessary to remove the fairing to access them? Any clarification would help.

2) I too have a G2 throttle tamer already installed. When you installed the Symtec elements, did you wrap the throttle tube with heat shrink or tape first to reduce conduction to the bar . Same question for the clutch side.

3) What grips did you install? Are they stock length (135mm)? I'm looking at ProGrip 698 or 713XL, both of which are 135mm

Thanks.

 
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Awesome writeup, leclairk! Credit where credit is due; you took the time to put all the information into a comprehensive post - something which I was too lazy to do, and something which didn't exist on this forum (as far as I know) up until this point.

Here are the main discussions that I have saved in my bookmarks which I used to guide me in my journey:

An insightful discussion on one of the ST1300 forums:

https://www.st-owners.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-58326.html

ionbeam's fantastic schematic (also shown above):

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=111307

Another discussion on our forum where members talk mainly about the PITA of removing the stock grips:

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/116802-changing-grips/page-2

There are a couple other things I want to make sure get mentioned here, as well.

1st: Getting the stock grips off the throttle tube without destroying them can be done. I did it. I used the WD-40 and long, thin flathead screwdriver method. I can't claim credit for this method, but I also cannot find where I read about it, though I'm sure it was on the forum somewhere. Anyway, it is just what it sounds like. You slowly, carefully work the long screwdriver down the length of the grip, breaking up the glue. Use WD-40 to lubricate as you go. I'm sure the mere mention of lubrication and going slow and steady will attract some snarky remarks. Have fun, fellas.
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2nd: Some have mentioned trying to wire up the Symtecs so that the resistance (ohms) is similar to the factory grips in order not to burn out the OEM heat-troller. I couldn't figure out a way to do this and get adequate heat. You HAVE to wire the Symtec heaters so that BOTH elements in EACH heater wrap are activated. You need to physically look at your Symtec wraps to make sure you have them wired so current is flowing through both elements in each wrap. You cannot rely on the instructions provided with the Symtecs for your wiring. The method leclairk detailed is the way to do it with the sets of Symtec heaters that he and I both purchased: red/blue twisted together to one of the bike's wires, and white to the other. You could also just wire blue to one of the bike's wires, red to the other, and leave white unused - it would give the same result. Here is a closeup of my clutch-side element.

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Finally, richsp51, the OEM heated grip connector lives, I believe, inside the left fairing panel behind the turn signal. You can look here for more info: https://www.fjrforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=102614. You won't get any power from the OEM connectors without installing the OEM heat-troller, though. In your case, you may want to just wire the grips directly to the battery using the Symtec-supplied switch. Leclairk's writeup is for people who already have OEM heated grips and are looking to switch to Symtec. I'll let leclairk answer your question about the G2 throttle tube as I don't have one on my '08.

 
I recently finished wiring some symtec heaters into the factory OEM system. After having a hard time finding out how to do it I thought I would share my work with the forum so people coming behind me would know how to do it. First let me say 95% of the credit should go to ABQFJR. He spent a couple weeks and about 25 PM's helping me figure out how to do this.
Thanks leclairk and ABQFJR for this post. I don't currently have heated grips but I bought a used OEM grip controller and I intend to install the Symtec heaters as you have.

I have a few questions:

1) Since I don't actually HAVE the OEM grips, I can't follow where they are plugged into the harness (those look like bullet connectors in the photo). I assume that there are two sets of the plugs that you're showing in the photos? Where are they? Is it necessary to remove the fairing to access them? Any clarification would help.

2) I too have a G2 throttle tamer already installed. When you installed the Symtec elements, did you wrap the throttle tube with heat shrink or tape first to reduce conduction to the bar . Same question for the clutch side.

3) What grips did you install? Are they stock length (135mm)? I'm looking at ProGrip 698 or 713XL, both of which are 135mm

Thanks.
If I read your post correctly it sounds like you ONLY have the OEM heat troller or do you also have the wiring harness? There are 2 different models of grip heaters. This link will take you to both styles.

https://www.yamahapartsandaccessories.com/product/details/grip-warmer-kit

One uses the factory connection under the left fairing for power and ground, the other grounds to the battery and takes power from the starter button I believe. I have part# ABA-2D237-40-00. If you ONLY have the heat troller that is a whole other story.

2) The symtecs are made so that the clutch side is hotter than the throttle side to compensate for the fact that clutch side is aluminum bar and throttle side is plastic. That is not the case if you have a G2. Be sure you don't have the ATV style symtecs as they are equal heat on both sides given that most ATV's use a thumb throttle. With both grips off in my cold garage when I put my hands on the bars the G2 was really cold vs the naked bar being slightly cold. I used one continues piece of electrical tape and wraped the G2 about 2 layers thick. Put the symtec on top of that. The clutch side I put the symtec to the bare bar.

3) I bought ProGrip 719's. They are a touch short but not that you would really notice, 120mm. Any of your grip choices would be fine.

 
I recently finished wiring some symtec heaters into the factory OEM system. After having a hard time finding out how to do it I thought I would share my work with the forum so people coming behind me would know how to do it. First let me say 95% of the credit should go to ABQFJR. He spent a couple weeks and about 25 PM's helping me figure out how to do this.
Thanks leclairk and ABQFJR for this post. I don't currently have heated grips but I bought a used OEM grip controller and I intend to install the Symtec heaters as you have.

I have a few questions:

1) Since I don't actually HAVE the OEM grips, I can't follow where they are plugged into the harness (those look like bullet connectors in the photo). I assume that there are two sets of the plugs that you're showing in the photos? Where are they? Is it necessary to remove the fairing to access them? Any clarification would help.

2) I too have a G2 throttle tamer already installed. When you installed the Symtec elements, did you wrap the throttle tube with heat shrink or tape first to reduce conduction to the bar . Same question for the clutch side.

3) What grips did you install? Are they stock length (135mm)? I'm looking at ProGrip 698 or 713XL, both of which are 135mm

Thanks.
If I read your post correctly it sounds like you ONLY have the OEM heat troller or do you also have the wiring harness? There are 2 different models of grip heaters. This link will take you to both styles.

https://www.yamahapartsandaccessories.com/product/details/grip-warmer-kit

One uses the factory connection under the left fairing for power and ground, the other grounds to the battery and takes power from the starter button I believe. I have part# ABA-2D237-40-00. If you ONLY have the heat troller that is a whole other story.

2) The symtecs are made so that the clutch side is hotter than the throttle side to compensate for the fact that clutch side is aluminum bar and throttle side is plastic. That is not the case if you have a G2. Be sure you don't have the ATV style symtecs as they are equal heat on both sides given that most ATV's use a thumb throttle. With both grips off in my cold garage when I put my hands on the bars the G2 was really cold vs the naked bar being slightly cold. I used one continues piece of electrical tape and wraped the G2 about 2 layers thick. Put the symtec on top of that. The clutch side I put the symtec to the bare bar.

3) I bought ProGrip 719's. They are a touch short but not that you would really notice, 120mm. Any of your grip choices would be fine.
I have the Yamaha OEM heated grip controller, P/N 2D2-85590-00-00 "CONTROL UNIT ASSY" as shown in The Electrical 2 Diagram item #49 see: https://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/2007/FJR1300AE+-+FJR13AEW/ELECTRICAL+2/parts.html

But that is all that I have. It looks like this:

Controller__Pic_zps80bff037.jpg


- I do not have the other items shown in the pic at the link that you supplied.

- I have not yet purchased the Symtec heaters.

 
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I recently finished wiring some symtec heaters into the factory OEM system. After having a hard time finding out how to do it I thought I would share my work with the forum so people coming behind me would know how to do it. First let me say 95% of the credit should go to ABQFJR. He spent a couple weeks and about 25 PM's helping me figure out how to do this.
Thanks leclairk and ABQFJR for this post. I don't currently have heated grips but I bought a used OEM grip controller and I intend to install the Symtec heaters as you have.

I have a few questions:

1) Since I don't actually HAVE the OEM grips, I can't follow where they are plugged into the harness (those look like bullet connectors in the photo). I assume that there are two sets of the plugs that you're showing in the photos? Where are they? Is it necessary to remove the fairing to access them? Any clarification would help.

2) I too have a G2 throttle tamer already installed. When you installed the Symtec elements, did you wrap the throttle tube with heat shrink or tape first to reduce conduction to the bar . Same question for the clutch side.

3) What grips did you install? Are they stock length (135mm)? I'm looking at ProGrip 698 or 713XL, both of which are 135mm

Thanks.
If I read your post correctly it sounds like you ONLY have the OEM heat troller or do you also have the wiring harness? There are 2 different models of grip heaters. This link will take you to both styles.

https://www.yamahapartsandaccessories.com/product/details/grip-warmer-kit

One uses the factory connection under the left fairing for power and ground, the other grounds to the battery and takes power from the starter button I believe. I have part# ABA-2D237-40-00. If you ONLY have the heat troller that is a whole other story.

2) The symtecs are made so that the clutch side is hotter than the throttle side to compensate for the fact that clutch side is aluminum bar and throttle side is plastic. That is not the case if you have a G2. Be sure you don't have the ATV style symtecs as they are equal heat on both sides given that most ATV's use a thumb throttle. With both grips off in my cold garage when I put my hands on the bars the G2 was really cold vs the naked bar being slightly cold. I used one continues piece of electrical tape and wraped the G2 about 2 layers thick. Put the symtec on top of that. The clutch side I put the symtec to the bare bar.

3) I bought ProGrip 719's. They are a touch short but not that you would really notice, 120mm. Any of your grip choices would be fine.
I have the Yamaha OEM heated grip controller, P/N 2D2-85590-00-00 "CONTROL UNIT ASSY" as shown in The Electrical 2 Diagram item #49 see: https://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/2007/FJR1300AE+-+FJR13AEW/ELECTRICAL+2/parts.html

But that is all that I have. It looks like this:

Controller__Pic_zps80bff037.jpg


- I do not have the other items shown in the pic at the link that you supplied.

- I have not yet purchased the Symtec heaters.
All you have is an OEM heat troller. You need to search how to install symtecs with a heat troller. This thread doesn't really apply to you because you don't have the "guts" of the OEM system. Contact symtec or google search the forum for symtecs with heat troller. As ABQFJR suggested, if you are set on using symtecs you may be better off just using the kit and ditching the troller. I've used the high/low switch in the symtec kits on my other bikes and it works just fine.

 
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