Are there iridium plugs yet for the Gen III?

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Coming up on 10k and want to put in the iridiums but searches haven't given me this answer. I've got a coupe sets of the CR8EIX but seem to recall reading that those are for the Gen II not the III. Apparently the III uses a different length insulator?

 
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You are correct and I'm not aware of the correct iridium plug being available yet.

 
While they may work fine, they are not the correct plug for the 3rd Gen's "coil over plug" ignition. Why pay more money for an inferior plug for the application?

Do you really expect to leave the plugs in there long enough to wear the standard CPR8EA-9 plugs out? If you are changing the original plugs at 10k miles, my guess is the answer to that question is "no".

CPR8EA-9

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CR8EIX

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No, no difference in performance.

For me it was trying to find a plug locally, you just can't buy the CPR8EA-9's.

Not only me but a lot of riders of other makes of bikes.

The simple thing to do is ring NGK, I spent a good deal of time talking with one of their technical guys.

He said the CR8EIX's were fine to install and that the only place to find the CPR8EAIX-9 were in Japan.

He also said not that many places stock the CPR8EA-9's in SE Queensland.

I'm not going to pay big $$$$$ 24.00 for a crap standard nickel spark plug.

I also checked out 3 car accessory retailers and 4 local bike shops including the Yamaha dealership.

The dealer was a bit coy when I asked the question, what do they use ?

I got the impression that they didn't know that the Gen 3 used such a plug and only stocked the CR8E.

So I don't know what they will use when servicing a Gen 3.

Yamaha Australia never replied to my question.

The Honda dealer uses the DENSO IU24 / IU24A or the stock CR8E.

I didn't take a picture of the CR8EIX's, but they did look a lot better than the CPR8EA-9 after 10K kms when I checked them.

 
Bastids!! Those were pictures of the plug tips from NGK. But I can beat them at their own game... Prior post edited.

PS - Other folks that have contacted NGK directly have received the entirely opposite response, that only the stock CPR8EA-9 plug is correct.

Perhaps Yamaha is the one who should be directly contacted to get their take on it since they engineered the initiation system, and they specified the plug, not NGK?

Obviously, if you cant get the right plug, that would be an issue. But what happens when you go to the Yamaha dealership? Do they just stuff the old spec plugs in there? I'd have an issue with that.

 
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Why install the wrong plugs? Yamaha changed them for a reason, but now, people who don't know anything about spark plugs are going to change the type of plug? For what reason? They're cheap and easy to change.

 
Well, I guess NGK does make the iridiums for this bike but geez, darned if I'm ordering them from Japan at $30 a crack, that's just stupid.

 
The simple thing to do is ring NGK, I spent a good deal of time talking with one of their technical guys.He said the CR8EIX's were fine to install and that the only place to find the CPR8EAIX-9 were in Japan.
That's because CPR8EAIX-9 are unicorns. Look on the NGK web site and type CPR8EAIX-9 in the search bar. They do not exist. Any link to such an animal is suspiciously "out of stock" or overpriced by a factor of 10.

He also said not that many places stock the CPR8EA-9's in SE Queensland.I'm not going to pay big $$$$$ 24.00 for a crap standard nickel spark plug.
How does $3.96 sound?

The Honda dealer uses the DENSO IU24 / IU24A or the stock CR8E.
FYI - The Denso IU24 / IU24A are equivalent to the NGK CR8EIX. They do not have the extended center electrode either.

 
Here is a link to the NGK Spark plug list, from their own web site. Neither the plug number CPR8EAIX-9 nor the catalog number 96067 are listed. (edit - it appears that the part number "96067-05051266" is the parts geek web site's part number. All the spark plugs from various manufacturers all start with the 96067 prefix)

Here's another link at NGK Japan warning about "counterfeit" spark plugs.

FWIW, there is a CPR7EAIX-9 listed as catalog number 9198. It is one heat range hotter than the CPR8EA-9 stock plug.

As to whether that is a good idea in this application, or not...?

Heat Range Explanation

Typically the heat range for NGK Spark Plugs varies from 2-11. This number indicates the thermal characteristics of a spark plug, or how ‘hot’ or ‘cold’ a spark plug is. The term hot/cold is commonly used to describe whether a spark plug heats up easily (hot) or whether it provides resistance to heating up (cold).

Generally, low power engines such as lawn mowers don’t produce a large amount of heat, hence use a low heat range (or hot) spark plug such as a 4 heat range. This means the spark plug will heat up easily and reach its optimal operating temperature. High performance engines on the other hand produce a large amount of heat, hence a high heat range (or cold) spark plug such as a 10 heat range needs to be used to resist the heat developed by the engine.

Several factors influence the heat range of a spark plug, although typically the insulator nose design provides an indication of the heat range of a spark plug.

When a spark plug absorbs heat produced from combustion, the heat is transferred through the centre electrode and insulator nose to the metal shell, which then transfers the heat into the engine casing and circulating coolant.

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A low heat range (or hot) spark plug typically has a long thin insulator nose which will heat up easily however will not dissipate readily to the metal shell (above left). Conversely, a high heat range (or cold) spark plug has a short thick insulator nose which will dissipate heat much easier (above right).

When the heat rating is too high:

The spark plug temperature remains too low and causes deposits to build up on the firing end; the deposits offer an electrical leakage path that gives rise to loss of sparks.

When the heat rating is too low:

The spark plug temperature rises too high and induces abnormal combustion (pre-ignition): this leads to melting of the spark plug electrodes as well as piston seizure and erosion.
 
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