Arizona Speed Cameras

[Big-D]

Arizona has Speed Cameras everywhere pretty much now. On Freeways, surface streets and even mobile units that travel and set-up along lonely country roads. Sometimes they put up a sign about a half mile from where it’s located, sometimes they don’t. Because cars in Arizona don’t have front license plates, they snap the photo as you pass by. We are told it is used to save lives, yet we are also told that the tickets you receive will not go on your driving record, so you go figure. With so many states claiming they are on the brink of bankruptcy, Speed Cameras are a sure file way to bring in the big bucks. When they first installed cameras on the AZ freeways, it was stated that over 50,000 tickets were issued per month, so with our tickets starting at the $185 mark and going way up from there, AZ should be debt free soon.

On the down side, some wacko pulled up along side of one of the mobile units last week and fired three shots into the driver of the vehicle, killing him.

The DA in Phoenix stated he would not pursue prosecution of felony speeders [20 mph and more above the posted limit] (FJR Riders?) because the cases are too difficult to prove without an officers eye witness account of what happened.

The traffic patrol here in Lake Havasu is so pronounced, I’m almost afraid to exceed any speed limit, even by 2-3mph. It takes much of the thrill out of running down some desert highway and suddenly you come up on one of those mobile photo units. So far, it seems that if you react fast enough on a bike, you can escape the photo because [i think] bikes have to be closer than cars to get nailed. Or maybe I’ve just been a little lucky. I’ve learned now to treat any vehicle stopped along side the road in the distance as a potential Speed Camera, and start slowing down.

But on the other hand, I received a parking ticket on my truck while being parked with my boat trailer attached at Windsor Beach in Lake Havasu and it cost me $90 and it was written on the ticket that is was a Misdemeanor where I faced up to 1 year in jail. Pretty steep for a parking ticket!

 

[Spud]

That sucks. I went to Phoenix for a vacation last month and it was the first time I have driven in AZ very much. We couldn't believe the number of speed traps/cameras. I was on edge driving around in a rental SUV, and we commented a lot about how slow everyone went in AZ, even in the middle of nowhere heading up to Grand Canyon. It felt to me like the most speed-enforced state I've ever been in.

Not to rub it in, but there are some seriously deserted places in my neck of the woods. While cops are always a concern (as is safety), I always get a chance for some short-bursts in the triple-digits, without worry b/c I only do it w/no cars anywhere coming toward or going my way.

But back to the cameras--just seeing them around sort of felt "oppressive" to me...Orwellian if you will..

I hope they don't spread, but fear they will...

 

[Silver Penguin]

Just out of curiosity..... what's the lag between visiting an AZ speed camera, a little quicker than planned, and the performance award arriving in the mail? Is there a certain leeway on the limit or do they ticket for anything over?

(Guess where we went, on vacation? At least it wasn't at FJR speed).

 

[marcusorelius]

There's a bill now to report the tickets to the mvd (so it will go on your record and ins will find out) hope it fails!

Saw one tue on a trip to laughlin (saw it going the other way and knew it was there) At least ya have a warning sign about it being there too.

 

[Joe]

Leeway is suppose to 11 miles over

 

[WBill]

Arizona photo radar sites are vary accommodating in that they always seem to have a sign warning drivers that they are just up ahead. I mean, about 25 yards ahead. Stay alert, and, assuming you're not going so fast that you can't react in time, just shut her down when you see the sign. Of course, you've got'ta be looking for it and not off in a daze.

I can't begin to relate how sorry I was about the guy who got killed just for doing his job. A person shouldn't get the death penalty for catching speeders any more than a speeder should get the same for speeding. WTF.

WBill

 

[buf2phx]

Arizona photo radar sites are vary accommodating in that they always seem to have a sign warning drivers that they are just up ahead. I mean, about 25 yards ahead. Stay alert, and, assuming you're not going so fast that you can't react in time, just shut her down when you see the sign. Of course, you've got'ta be looking for it and not off in a daze.
I can't begin to relate how sorry I was about the guy who got killed just for doing his job. A person shouldn't get the death penalty for catching speeders any more than a speeder should get the same for speeding. WTF.

WBill

The rules are there are supposed to be 2 signs in advance of the camera--1 at 1/2 mile, and 1 at 300 ft. The fixed camera sites all follow the rules, and most of the mobile cameras seem to as well. Supposedly, if you're wearing a full face helmet, you won't get the driving award. They claim they need to have a recognizable picture of your face, or they won't send the ticket. I don't know this for a fact, but it's what I've read.

Mike

 

[HotRodZilla]

The rules are there are supposed to be 2 signs in advance of the camera--1 at 1/2 mile, and 1 at 300 ft. The fixed camera sites all follow the rules, and most of the mobile cameras seem to as well. Supposedly, if you're wearing a full face helmet, you won't get the driving award. They claim they need to have a recognizable picture of your face, or they won't send the ticket. I don't know this for a fact, but it's what I've read.
Mike

I wouldn't bet on the full face helmet thing. Just like NM, the cameras only take a picture of the REAR of your vehicle to get the license plate, not the front as in some other states. None of the units I have seen have any warning whatsoever. I pass by the one in Peyson all the time and Mesa is full of them. I have seen a few mobile units in the Mesa/Phoenix area, and have yet to see a warning posted anywhere. The last time I was in AZ was November. Are the warning rules new? The good thing about the mobile units is this: Even if you are over the limit as you approach, if you see it and slow down, you won't get a ticket. The radar faces in front of the vans, so you have a LITTLE time.

I also wouldn't stress too much about them making the cites available for driving records. The issue with that is that they only have a license plate and cannot prove who the driver is. That's why they issue the citation the owner of the car. Right now they issue the tickets as a civil citation instead of a criminal citation. If they try to move them to criminal status, they are gonna have a heck of a legal battle on their hands; which they will probably lose. You never know with these dummies though, so I guess we'll see.

 

[SkooterG]

I wouldn't bet on the full face helmet thing. Just like NM, the cameras only take a picture of the REAR of your vehicle to get the license plate, not the front as in some other states. None of the units I have seen have any warning whatsoever. I pass by the one in Peyson all the time and Mesa is full of them. I have seen a few mobile units in the Mesa/Phoenix area, and have yet to see a warning posted anywhere. The last time I was in AZ was November. Are the warning rules new? The good thing about the mobile units is this: Even if you are over the limit as you approach, if you see it and slow down, you won't get a ticket. The radar faces in front of the vans, so you have a LITTLE time.
I also wouldn't stress too much about them making the cites available for driving records. The issue with that is that they only have a license plate and cannot prove who the driver is. That's why they issue the citation the owner of the car. Right now they issue the tickets as a civil citation instead of a criminal citation. If they try to move them to criminal status, they are gonna have a heck of a legal battle on their hands; which they will probably lose. You never know with these dummies though, so I guess we'll see.

You are all kinds of wrong!

In Arizona, they DO have to identify you. (by taking photos of front and rear of vehicle)

I hate these fricking things. I ain't no expert, and the policies/rules are always changing but...........

There are state run cameras, and city run cameras.

State run cameras, both fixed and mobile, have the following policies. They are not LAW and can be changed by the head DPS guy, or Govenor.

- Two signs warning of approaching camera.

- Activation of camera enforcement starts at 11mph over posted limit.

- Fine only citation. No points. Info is not reported to DMV.

- Only state residents get mailed the tickets. If you have an out of state plate, you're ok. Gotta love that, don't you?

Oh, by the way, here's a little jewel - the fixed cameras? They don't just 'flash' to take a photo, they are taking continually streaming video! And they have a computer that takes the license plate info of EVERY car that goes by and puts it into a database. Big Brother *******s!

As for city cameras, I have no idea. I imagine they follow policies as set forth by the city. It's possible those citations ARE reported to DMV and effect driver's license and insurance. I just don't know. I know the 11mph threshold is standard, even with the cities, and I think all (speed) cameras I have seen have at least one warning sign before you get to them.

Now there is a new bill in the legislature to make the STATE (and city I believe) run cameras reportable to DMV (So points against license and insurance hit). ******* *******s! Insurance industry lobbyied hard ($$$) for this. One legislator is trying to make LAW, the requirement for the two sign warning and 11mph threshhold for consistency.

Several ballot initiatives are in the early stages to BAN these freaking cameras. We'll see. ******* elected ******** love the $$$ these bring in. When we got rid of our old Govenor for Dept. of Homeland Security job, the new Gov, was supposed to get rid of the cameras. (She had always been against them). There has been talk, but of course no action. It's still a heated debate even within the legislature.

As for ALL speeding citations in Arizona, camera or normal - they are civil violations unless you hit certain 'excessive' speeds which then make them criminal, with double the points against your license. For example, 86mph and above on any highway is a criminal violation. Doesn't matter if the speed limit is 55, 65, or 75. 86+mph gets you the big prize.

A good percentage of speed camera 'flashes' don't get mailed. (About 20-30%) Plates, or people can't be idenitifed properly, or whatever. They are constantly tweaking (tuning) the cameras for better results.

Personally, I have been flashed several times on my FJR and have yet to be mailed a citation. Full face helmets ROCK! Also on a motorcycle, you can avoid the fixed cameras by riding on the broken white line lane dividers. The sensor that measures speed is in the center of the lane. Don't ride over it, and it can't calculate your speed.

This stuff is Big Brother scary. I may eventually move to Montana where there, the state legislature recently passed a bill BANNING all types of photo enforcement in the state. (A few cities were considering traffic enforcement cameras)

It just might be time for a desert tea party around here.

 

[radman]

Welcome to the police state America is becoming. As radar and the like became standard equipment, so shall camera enforcement. Funny part is, it was voluntary.

 

[Fred W]

After all, it is for your SAFETY!!

But my gawd, man. Think of the little chil'rens.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

 

[08FJR4ME]

I wouldn't bet on the full face helmet thing. Just like NM, the cameras only take a picture of the REAR of your vehicle to get the license plate, not the front as in some other states. None of the units I have seen have any warning whatsoever. I pass by the one in Peyson all the time and Mesa is full of them. I have seen a few mobile units in the Mesa/Phoenix area, and have yet to see a warning posted anywhere. The last time I was in AZ was November. Are the warning rules new? The good thing about the mobile units is this: Even if you are over the limit as you approach, if you see it and slow down, you won't get a ticket. The radar faces in front of the vans, so you have a LITTLE time.
I also wouldn't stress too much about them making the cites available for driving records. The issue with that is that they only have a license plate and cannot prove who the driver is. That's why they issue the citation the owner of the car. Right now they issue the tickets as a civil citation instead of a criminal citation. If they try to move them to criminal status, they are gonna have a heck of a legal battle on their hands; which they will probably lose. You never know with these dummies though, so I guess we'll see.

You are all kinds of wrong!

In Arizona, they DO have to identify you. (by taking photos of front and rear of vehicle)

I hate these fricking things. I ain't no expert, and the policies/rules are always changing but...........

There are state run cameras, and city run cameras.

State run cameras, both fixed and mobile, have the following policies. They are not LAW and can be changed by the head DPS guy, or Govenor.

- Two signs warning of approaching camera.

- Activation of camera enforcement starts at 11mph over posted limit.

- Fine only citation. No points. Info is not reported to DMV.

- Only state residents get mailed the tickets. If you have an out of state plate, you're ok. Gotta love that, don't you?

Oh, by the way, here's a little jewel - the fixed cameras? They don't just 'flash' to take a photo, they are taking continually streaming video! And they have a computer that takes the license plate info of EVERY car that goes by and puts it into a database. Big Brother *******s!

As for city cameras, I have no idea. I imagine they follow policies as set forth by the city. It's possible those citations ARE reported to DMV and effect driver's license and insurance. I just don't know. I know the 11mph threshold is standard, even with the cities, and I think all (speed) cameras I have seen have at least one warning sign before you get to them.

Now there is a new bill in the legislature to make the STATE (and city I believe) run cameras reportable to DMV (So points against license and insurance hit). ******* *******s! Insurance industry lobbyied hard ($$$) for this. One legislator is trying to make LAW, the requirement for the two sign warning and 11mph threshhold for consistency.

Several ballot initiatives are in the early stages to BAN these freaking cameras. We'll see. ******* elected ******** love the $$$ these bring in. When we got rid of our old Govenor for Dept. of Homeland Security job, the new Gov, was supposed to get rid of the cameras. (She had always been against them). There has been talk, but of course no action. It's still a heated debate even within the legislature.

As for ALL speeding citations in Arizona, camera or normal - they are civil violations unless you hit certain 'excessive' speeds which then make them criminal, with double the points against your license. For example, 86mph and above on any highway is a criminal violation. Doesn't matter if the speed limit is 55, 65, or 75. 86+mph gets you the big prize.

A good percentage of speed camera 'flashes' don't get mailed. (About 20-30%) Plates, or people can't be idenitifed properly, or whatever. They are constantly tweaking (tuning) the cameras for better results.

Personally, I have been flashed several times on my FJR and have yet to be mailed a citation. Full face helmets ROCK! Also on a motorcycle, you can avoid the fixed cameras by riding on the broken white line lane dividers. The sensor that measures speed is in the center of the lane. Don't ride over it, and it can't calculate your speed.

This stuff is Big Brother scary. I may eventually move to Montana where there, the state legislature recently passed a bill BANNING all types of photo enforcement in the state. (A few cities were considering traffic enforcement cameras)

It just might be time for a desert tea party around here.

Maybe a long range 22 from a distance could temporaly dispose of said camera. Just sayin?

 

[HotRodZilla]

You are all kinds of wrong!
In Arizona, they DO have to identify you. (by taking photos of front and rear of vehicle)

I hate these fricking things. I ain't no expert, and the policies/rules are always changing but...........

There are state run cameras, and city run cameras.

State run cameras, both fixed and mobile, have the following policies. They are not LAW and can be changed by the head DPS guy, or Govenor.

- Two signs warning of approaching camera.

- Activation of camera enforcement starts at 11mph over posted limit.

- Fine only citation. No points. Info is not reported to DMV.

- Only state residents get mailed the tickets. If you have an out of state plate, you're ok. Gotta love that, don't you?

Oh, by the way, here's a little jewel - the fixed cameras? They don't just 'flash' to take a photo, they are taking continually streaming video! And they have a computer that takes the license plate info of EVERY car that goes by and puts it into a database. Big Brother *******s!

As for city cameras, I have no idea. I imagine they follow policies as set forth by the city. It's possible those citations ARE reported to DMV and effect driver's license and insurance. I just don't know. I know the 11mph threshold is standard, even with the cities, and I think all (speed) cameras I have seen have at least one warning sign before you get to them.

Now there is a new bill in the legislature to make the STATE (and city I believe) run cameras reportable to DMV (So points against license and insurance hit). ******* *******s! Insurance industry lobbyied hard ($$$) for this. One legislator is trying to make LAW, the requirement for the two sign warning and 11mph threshhold for consistency.

Several ballot initiatives are in the early stages to BAN these freaking cameras. We'll see. ******* elected ******** love the $$$ these bring in. When we got rid of our old Govenor for Dept. of Homeland Security job, the new Gov, was supposed to get rid of the cameras. (She had always been against them). There has been talk, but of course no action. It's still a heated debate even within the legislature.

As for ALL speeding citations in Arizona, camera or normal - they are civil violations unless you hit certain 'excessive' speeds which then make them criminal, with double the points against your license. For example, 86mph and above on any highway is a criminal violation. Doesn't matter if the speed limit is 55, 65, or 75. 86+mph gets you the big prize.

A good percentage of speed camera 'flashes' don't get mailed. (About 20-30%) Plates, or people can't be idenitifed properly, or whatever. They are constantly tweaking (tuning) the cameras for better results.

Personally, I have been flashed several times on my FJR and have yet to be mailed a citation. Full face helmets ROCK! Also on a motorcycle, you can avoid the fixed cameras by riding on the broken white line lane dividers. The sensor that measures speed is in the center of the lane. Don't ride over it, and it can't calculate your speed.

This stuff is Big Brother scary. I may eventually move to Montana where there, the state legislature recently passed a bill BANNING all types of photo enforcement in the state. (A few cities were considering traffic enforcement cameras)

It just might be time for a desert tea party around here.

The next time you go by one of those set-ups, take a close look. If you can find the camera out front that takes the picture of your face, I will buy you lunch. BTW, I don't just put info out there without having some basis. I know I don't live in AZ, but one of my buddies works for Redflex, which is the company that has Arizona's contract. Ever since they started putting those things in Albuquerque, we started talking a lot more, so it's up to you to believe rumor or actual information. I don't really care.

Edited to add: Yes they do ship the citations out of state. My dad, who lives in NM got a citation from the camera in Peyson. I have't asked Will about it so that may be the difference between a city camera and a state camera, but just cuz you live out of state does not mean you won't get a ticket.

 

[beemerdons]

You are all kinds of wrong!
In Arizona, they DO have to identify you. (by taking photos of front and rear of vehicle)

I hate these fricking things. I ain't no expert, and the policies/rules are always changing but...........

There are state run cameras, and city run cameras.

State run cameras, both fixed and mobile, have the following policies. They are not LAW and can be changed by the head DPS guy, or Govenor.

- Two signs warning of approaching camera.

- Activation of camera enforcement starts at 11mph over posted limit.

- Fine only citation. No points. Info is not reported to DMV.

- Only state residents get mailed the tickets. If you have an out of state plate, you're ok. Gotta love that, don't you?

Oh, by the way, here's a little jewel - the fixed cameras? They don't just 'flash' to take a photo, they are taking continually streaming video! And they have a computer that takes the license plate info of EVERY car that goes by and puts it into a database. Big Brother *******s!

As for city cameras, I have no idea. I imagine they follow policies as set forth by the city. It's possible those citations ARE reported to DMV and effect driver's license and insurance. I just don't know. I know the 11mph threshold is standard, even with the cities, and I think all (speed) cameras I have seen have at least one warning sign before you get to them.

Now there is a new bill in the legislature to make the STATE (and city I believe) run cameras reportable to DMV (So points against license and insurance hit). ******* *******s! Insurance industry lobbyied hard ($$$) for this. One legislator is trying to make LAW, the requirement for the two sign warning and 11mph threshhold for consistency.

Several ballot initiatives are in the early stages to BAN these freaking cameras. We'll see. ******* elected ******** love the $$$ these bring in. When we got rid of our old Govenor for Dept. of Homeland Security job, the new Gov, was supposed to get rid of the cameras. (She had always been against them). There has been talk, but of course no action. It's still a heated debate even within the legislature.

As for ALL speeding citations in Arizona, camera or normal - they are civil violations unless you hit certain 'excessive' speeds which then make them criminal, with double the points against your license. For example, 86mph and above on any highway is a criminal violation. Doesn't matter if the speed limit is 55, 65, or 75. 86+mph gets you the big prize.

A good percentage of speed camera 'flashes' don't get mailed. (About 20-30%) Plates, or people can't be idenitifed properly, or whatever. They are constantly tweaking (tuning) the cameras for better results.

Personally, I have been flashed several times on my FJR and have yet to be mailed a citation. Full face helmets ROCK! Also on a motorcycle, you can avoid the fixed cameras by riding on the broken white line lane dividers. The sensor that measures speed is in the center of the lane. Don't ride over it, and it can't calculate your speed.

This stuff is Big Brother scary. I may eventually move to Montana where there, the state legislature recently passed a bill BANNING all types of photo enforcement in the state. (A few cities were considering traffic enforcement cameras)

It just might be time for a desert tea party around here.

The next time you go by one of those set-ups, take a close look. If you can find the camera out front that takes the picture of your face, I will buy you lunch. BTW, I don't just put info out there without having some basis. I know I don't live in AZ, but one of my buddies works for Redflex, which is the company that has Arizona's contract. Ever since they started putting those things in Albuquerque, we started talking a lot more, so believe rumor or actual information. I don't really care.

HotRodZilla, Coming off a fantastic 10 day vacation with my Son Seth to the Canadian FJR Rally and having a great time with my Fellow FJR Forum Members: The last thing on earth I want to have to do is agree with SkooterG. Sadly, because you are a great guy and I thoroughly enjoy your posts, you owe SkooterG lunch. I have a clear picture beside me of my handsome face and another picture of the license plate of my Metro Mechanical work truck caught speeding by photo radar.

 

[clocklaw]

After all, it is for your SAFETY!!

It's not an issue of SAFETY....it is a revenue generator.

 

[HotRodZilla]

HotRodZilla, Coming off a fantastic 10 day vacation with my Son Seth to the Canadian FJR Rally and having a great time with my Fellow FJR Forum Members: The last thing on earth I want to have to do is agree with SkooterG. Sadly, because you are a great guy and I thoroughly enjoy your posts, you owe SkooterG lunch. I have a clear picture beside me of my handsome face and another picture of the license plate of my Metro Mechanical work truck caught speeding by photo radar.

Well **** then. My apologies to Scooter. I'll be in Mesa in November again, so we can square up then. Remind me to beat William next time I see him too. BUT in his defense, like said before, not all those cameras take front pictures, unless AZ added them recently. I guess the city/state thing again; I donno. I just left Will a voicemail.

You know....I don't mind red light cameras, because people running red lights irritate the crap outta me, but the speed cameras are total bs and we're stupid for tolerating it.

 

[beemerdons]

HotRodZilla, Coming off a fantastic 10 day vacation with my Son Seth to the Canadian FJR Rally and having a great time with my Fellow FJR Forum Members: The last thing on earth I want to have to do is agree with SkooterG. Sadly, because you are a great guy and I thoroughly enjoy your posts, you owe SkooterG lunch. I have a clear picture beside me of my handsome face and another picture of the license plate of my Metro Mechanical work truck caught speeding by photo radar.

Well **** then. My apologies to Scooter. I'll be in Mesa in November again, so we can square up then. Remind me to beat William next time I see him too. BUT in his defense, like said before, not all those cameras take front pictures, unless AZ added them recently. I guess the city/state thing again; I donno. I just left Will a voicemail.

You know....I don't mind red light cameras, because people running red lights irritate the crap outta me, but the speed cameras are total bs and we're stupid for tolerating it.

Let me know at [email protected] or 480-917-3863 exactly when you will be in Mesa, I'll join you for lunch and pay for my own. I just want to see someone buy SkooterG lunch besides me and vectervp1 for a change!! Can you go riding then?

 

[SkooterG]

Yup. Anyone in Arizona who has gotten a citation in the mail knows they take a photo of your face. There are two sets of cameras - one in front of the road sensor, and one behind. Or, in the case of a mobile (van) speed camera, it flashes you as you approach (driver), and flashes again after you have passed (license plate). ALL CAMERAS ARE LIKE THAT AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. So William gets a beating. They have to take a photo - to identify you. In fact, that's one of the ways of beating it. If the photo is crappy, it should never have been mailed in the first place, but if it was you can go to court and say, 'that's not me!'. Case dismissed. Which is why wearing a full face helmet on a m/c is a good thing too. Like I said, I have been flashed about 5 times over the last 3 years or so. Never have got anything in the mail.

Another out if you have an SO - register a vehicle in one name and have the other person drive it. I have been flashed a couple times driving my g/f's car. She gets the cite in the mail, but it's obviously not her driving. So, you just don't pay it. Do nothing. In Arizona it's the PERSON who gets the ticket, NOT the car. Has ALWAYS been that way.

As for the cite your dad got, it was Star Valley, about 8 miles east of Payson. BTW, ask your dad - his cite would have had a photo of him. Don't know if those are state or city run cameras as it's on a state highway in on eithe side of this tiny little town, but when did your dad get the ticket? The reason I ask, is that Arizona has changed the policy on these things several times. Without going into the long sortid complete history, let me say this: Initially, all photo speeding tickets were just like any other ticket and went against your license. So they were reported to any state the license plate was from. Then, about a year ago, our oh-so-wise Govenor at the time (Now Homeland Security Chief) decided she needed another revenue stream because the state was going broke. (Gotta love Government) So she announced a program that was going to add 100 or new photo cameras throughout the state. (State only had about 10 at the time. ) She said this was for revenue generation only, NOT safety, and therefore said all tickets would be fine only, not putting points against the license. So how do you make an out of state person pay a fine only ticket? You can't. So, with the new policy, out of state folks don't get sent the ticket.

So if it was a ways back, it makes sense your dad got the ticket. That's how it worked back then.

Another little tidbit - Redflex is an Austrailian company that profits pretty heavily from the number of tickets given. (Or so I hear)

Yeah, I don't have too big a problem with red light cameras (assuming they are set up and calibrated properly), but I freakin hate speed cameras. If you want to write speeding tickets, put an officer out there.

Lunch at Fleming's Steak House! :yahoo: :clapping:

 

[beemerdons]

https://www.flemingssteakhouse.com/ Naturally, my shiftless illegitimate ******* son picks most expensive place in Phoenix!!

HotRodZilla: Twas a sucker bet from the start! Skooty spent years as an Arizona LEO so he has and had inside information.

There's a great taco truck that parks by The Wheel Shop at 16th & McDowell; buy him Numero Cinco Especial for five bucks.