boogahboogah
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Well, at least he manned up & apologized...
Bad day for the FJR and me
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Thug
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madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
I have been pulled over and apprehended at gunpoint. It seems I (and my car) matched the general description of a bank robber. I saw the officer tailing me and when I rounded a corner there was a roadblock. You know the drill....guns drawn, hands on head, open door with your elbow, back up to the sound of my voice, etc.
THAT I can understand. The officers who initiated the above scenerio took great pains to verify my story, identity, etc. Cuffs temporarily (I understand the control measure), no arrest, etc. All is good to go.
OTH, not verifying the VIN, arrested, jailed, bike towed and impounded....I'd have to think about this for awhile before letting bygones be bygones....and I really do make attempts at being a forgiving person.
Y'know, not trying to cop-bash, we get ticketed, fined and held responsible (rightfully so) for OUR behavior on our bikes and in our cars. My company treats a phoned in complaint about a driver from a citizen very seriously, i.e., there is an investigation and a counselling session with the manager.
THAT I can understand. The officers who initiated the above scenerio took great pains to verify my story, identity, etc. Cuffs temporarily (I understand the control measure), no arrest, etc. All is good to go.
OTH, not verifying the VIN, arrested, jailed, bike towed and impounded....I'd have to think about this for awhile before letting bygones be bygones....and I really do make attempts at being a forgiving person.
Y'know, not trying to cop-bash, we get ticketed, fined and held responsible (rightfully so) for OUR behavior on our bikes and in our cars. My company treats a phoned in complaint about a driver from a citizen very seriously, i.e., there is an investigation and a counselling session with the manager.
At the very least you want to make sure your "clean record" is completely and entirely restored.
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FJR Steve
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All I can say is...thank **** I live in Australia.
Good thinking. I did not know this tid-bit of information. I will ask the attorney tomorrow about it.
I guess I should mention this. I live in Carson City, NV but have Reno, NV on my profile since some people are not sure where Carson City is. Plus, I work in Reno. Carson City sheriffs are the guys who got me here.
Today when I was in a meeting, I got a call from some unknown number. So, I let it go to voicemail. It turns out it was the sheriff calling to apologize. I called him back and we talked a bit. He offered me some free tickets to go watch the sheriff’s office play a basketball game against some of the 49ers football players. I guess it is a fundraiser event for them. I simply do not have the time, but it was a nice thought.
In addition, he sent someone from his staff down to DMV to get me a temporary moving permit. Then it was delivered to my job 45 minutes away. I was surprised when the moving permit was for 30 days, not 10 day. It was my understanding individuals could only get 10-day permits and dealers could get 30-day permits. I will not need that long, but I guess it is the thought.
Today when I was in a meeting, I got a call from some unknown number. So, I let it go to voicemail. It turns out it was the sheriff calling to apologize. I called him back and we talked a bit. He offered me some free tickets to go watch the sheriff’s office play a basketball game against some of the 49ers football players. I guess it is a fundraiser event for them. I simply do not have the time, but it was a nice thought.
In addition, he sent someone from his staff down to DMV to get me a temporary moving permit. Then it was delivered to my job 45 minutes away. I was surprised when the moving permit was for 30 days, not 10 day. It was my understanding individuals could only get 10-day permits and dealers could get 30-day permits. I will not need that long, but I guess it is the thought.
zzzzip
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Sounds like the Sheriff is a hands-on kind of guy. At least he is trying to make it right himself rather than just saying, "let the lawyers handle it-- that's what they get the big money for."
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TheAxeman
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John,
I was waiting to see how this whole thing played out because I thought for sure it was an April Fools joke that you were posting. I'm really sorry to hear that you had to go through all that bullshit (why does Reno 911 come to mind). Having been in cuffs face down in the dirt because of a case of mistaken identity I know how humiliating it can be....and thats without any of the public seeing the incident. In your particular case, to be "humbled" in public view and then thrown in jail because of the incompetence of some overzealous schmuck, I would have to agree with some of the others and say sue the pricks. The problem with that, however, especially if you are in a small town is that every time you step out the door or get on the bike you are going to have the shit harrassed out of you by the same assholes who caused you all these problems in the first place. The Sherrif knows full well the consequences that may result from the action of his deputies otherwise he wouldn't be jumping through hoops to offer you free tickets and door to door document services. It sure would be an interesting tale to tell the local newspaper or TV station. Like THUG, I'm also a supporter of law enforcement but this type of shit totally pisses me off.....
I was waiting to see how this whole thing played out because I thought for sure it was an April Fools joke that you were posting. I'm really sorry to hear that you had to go through all that bullshit (why does Reno 911 come to mind). Having been in cuffs face down in the dirt because of a case of mistaken identity I know how humiliating it can be....and thats without any of the public seeing the incident. In your particular case, to be "humbled" in public view and then thrown in jail because of the incompetence of some overzealous schmuck, I would have to agree with some of the others and say sue the pricks. The problem with that, however, especially if you are in a small town is that every time you step out the door or get on the bike you are going to have the shit harrassed out of you by the same assholes who caused you all these problems in the first place. The Sherrif knows full well the consequences that may result from the action of his deputies otherwise he wouldn't be jumping through hoops to offer you free tickets and door to door document services. It sure would be an interesting tale to tell the local newspaper or TV station. Like THUG, I'm also a supporter of law enforcement but this type of shit totally pisses me off.....
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RonBB
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So sorry that you had to go through that. Obviously the cop made a mistake by at least not double checking the VIN. At least it doesn't sound like there was any real damage other than loss of time, and the associated embarrassment. After thinking about it I think I would be upset as well. At least as was pointed out above, the cop came and admitted his mistake-some might not have been upstanding enough to at least do that. In perhaps the only bright spot in this situation is the knowledge that at least the cop was taking motorcycle theft seriously and that is a good thing. Again sorry you had to go through this it wasn't right. Best of luck in the future.
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Fencer
Why yes, I am a Smart ASS
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Back in college, we acutually had snow fall in Auburn, Al that was measurable. Some friends and I were driving across campus (in friends car) when a rock laden snowball hit my friends car and knocked the windshield wipers off his car. (lucky it didn't break the glass). 3 of us 7 of them. We got out and had some "words" with them drive for a few minutes, next thing is we are surrounded by 5 or 6 cops with weapons drawn telling us to eat dirt. WTF!!!!??? I wasn't going to sneeze, cause the one cop I was looking at looked like Don Knots he was shaking so bad. He def had the adrinaline (nerves) pumping ( a little to much). After the cops calmed down, we found out the assholes had called in that we pulled a gun on them. Long to short we went back with the cops and got them for criminal mischief. Pretty bad when 3 back down 7 without a gun eh?
John, tell you wife to stock up next time for her NEED
LEOS
Is it typical to double check a VIN? Was procedure broken?
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zzzzip
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Checking twice-- nothing to do with procedure. COMMON SENSE dictates it.
Felony take downs-- it's following procedure dictated by the situation, operation manuals, and avoiding a whole bunch of explaining after things went bad, about why you didn't follow company policy.
The officer is probably covered in this case on the take down because he was probably following department policy that might REQUIRE him to do so.
Not checking twice and then verifying the hit before incarcerating the suspect-- now that's a whole different ballgame. "Lutzy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"
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Felony take downs-- it's following procedure dictated by the situation, operation manuals, and avoiding a whole bunch of explaining after things went bad, about why you didn't follow company policy.
The officer is probably covered in this case on the take down because he was probably following department policy that might REQUIRE him to do so.
Not checking twice and then verifying the hit before incarcerating the suspect-- now that's a whole different ballgame. "Lutzy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"
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markjenn
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Sorry for your troubles. Sounds like they're trying to be stand-up about this, but I'd still try and make some determination of whether they used excessive force in their arrest. That's the key thing here - not that they made a honest mistake, but whether they acted appropriately during their mistake. The system should have safeguards to be sure that if a mistake is made, no major harm results.
And I don't want to make this a policitical discussion, but I ask that everyone keep incidents like this mind when backing governments and laws that become one-sided to protect us from the "enemy". There are literally hundreds of people today who are in similar mistaken identity situations with much larger stakes who didn't get to call their SO and are being denied all legal representation. EVERYONE, no matter what they are accused of, should be treated with respect and have rights to due process.
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And I don't want to make this a policitical discussion, but I ask that everyone keep incidents like this mind when backing governments and laws that become one-sided to protect us from the "enemy". There are literally hundreds of people today who are in similar mistaken identity situations with much larger stakes who didn't get to call their SO and are being denied all legal representation. EVERYONE, no matter what they are accused of, should be treated with respect and have rights to due process.
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Legal actions can be very costly for all but the lawyers until/if you actually can collect a judgement.
Shame that a simple triple check of VIN by another set of eyes wasn't SOP.
Just be glad he didn't start blasting and asking questions later. The number of paramilitary police actions have skyrocketed in the past decade or two. Many PDs are being trained by and in military style actions. The end result is a mindset of them vs the enemy instead of "serve and protect". Some of the outcomes have been much more catastrophic than yours was. https://www.cato.org/raidmap/
Shame that a simple triple check of VIN by another set of eyes wasn't SOP.
Just be glad he didn't start blasting and asking questions later. The number of paramilitary police actions have skyrocketed in the past decade or two. Many PDs are being trained by and in military style actions. The end result is a mindset of them vs the enemy instead of "serve and protect". Some of the outcomes have been much more catastrophic than yours was. https://www.cato.org/raidmap/
brazos parker
What??
A few years ago, my wife & I left Longview, TX at 4:00am for the long drive back to east Tennessee. Around 5:00am, as we went thru Shreveport, LA on the interstate, I noticed a LEO on my 6. We drove for a ways, then, his lights came on. I pulled over ASAP and went thru the felony stop routine...the LEO w/ gun drawn, hiding behind his open door, shouting "DRIVER, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! DO IT! NOW!"
To make a long story short, there had been a drive-by shooting and the suspect(s) fled in the direction of the interstate in a silver Jeep Cherokee...we were driving a silver Jeep Cherokee. The officer was sure he had the "bad guys." After checking our driver's licenses and plates and asking a couple of other questions, the officer apologized and said "Have a good trip."
So, no harm...no foul. I understood the reason for the felony stop but, I must say, it was an unnerving experience to have a LEO "draw down" on me.
To make a long story short, there had been a drive-by shooting and the suspect(s) fled in the direction of the interstate in a silver Jeep Cherokee...we were driving a silver Jeep Cherokee. The officer was sure he had the "bad guys." After checking our driver's licenses and plates and asking a couple of other questions, the officer apologized and said "Have a good trip."
So, no harm...no foul. I understood the reason for the felony stop but, I must say, it was an unnerving experience to have a LEO "draw down" on me.
S76
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Whoa! That was a depressing link. No, maybe infuriating is a better word. I don't know what mad me madder, what the cops did, or, how the courts supported their mistakes, or, how they lied about what they did. I guess you cannot expect improvements when the legal system backs up their gross negligence..but..
What goes around comes around....one way or another.
zzzzip
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No offense John T, but now this thread is starting to get funny. B)
SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
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Caution folks. Let's keep the political crap out of it. I don't want to close the thread, as it had been doing good at relating a forum member's experience.
zzzzip
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Book'em, SkooterG.
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Toecutter
What would DoG do?
One point I'd like to have clarified: Was the other FJR with the VIN that was pulled out of the cop's ass actually reported stolen by its owner, or did the cop just make that assumption based on the fact that the phantom FJR was registered to somebody other than who was riding it?
I find it hard to believe that the cop accidentally called in a random VIN belonging to a stolen FJR. I've been hanging around this place for over two years and don't remember very many stolen FJR's at all, if any. In fact, a search for the word "stolen" in a topic title turns up nothing on this forum connected to an FJR.
I'm sayin' the cops might have made that stolen shit up to help justify their weak-suck position after Barney Fife totally screwed the pooch.
I find it hard to believe that the cop accidentally called in a random VIN belonging to a stolen FJR. I've been hanging around this place for over two years and don't remember very many stolen FJR's at all, if any. In fact, a search for the word "stolen" in a topic title turns up nothing on this forum connected to an FJR.
I'm sayin' the cops might have made that stolen shit up to help justify their weak-suck position after Barney Fife totally screwed the pooch.
rogdeb
Scouser
One helluva episode 
Hope the whole thing plays out satisfactory.
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