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I've said it before and I'll say it again. If they want to end the carnage, they can. The solutions are fairly simple to implement. A bunch of signage and a few dozen carefully placed speed bumps is all it takes.
I can just see Grammy and Gramps in the ol' RV now----

"Oh,,,,Look Earl,,,,,,What a bee---utiful Elk!!!!"

"Oh my Ethel,,,,,It E-is a real bee----" (whump, fwump, thud, kwrssh!) "Whoa, Ethel, WTF WAS THAT?!?!?!?"

****, dude, I'm in on this one! I gotta get a cam mounted!

 
I thought it was a very balanced view for such a show.

I also think that if it is safe to do so, bikes should be allowed all over the world to pass on double yellow lines (Or wite lines)...if you hit anyting it's your falut.

And as for that silly ***** on the push bike riding in that area she would have to have a death wish period whether she is allowed or not why take a pathetic chance like that konwing there could be a car/bike slam into her?

 
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And as for that silly ***** on the push bike riding in that area she would have to have a death wish period whether she is allowed or not why take a pathetic chance like that konwing there could be a car/bike slam into her?
What would you have said the same if that "Silly *****" was riding a 250 cc bike? Or it is stupid to ride such an under power humiliating peace of jap crap?

 
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And as for that silly ***** on the push bike riding in that area she would have to have a death wish period whether she is allowed or not why take a pathetic chance like that konwing there could be a car/bike slam into her?
What would you have said the same if that "Silly *****" was riding a 250 cc bike? Or it is stupid to ride such an under power humiliating peace of jap crap?
I would say nothing as a "250 cc under power humiliating peace of jap crap" would have been going **** loads faster than her pins could.

Cheers doodles

 
the "silly *******" are those dangerous knotheads on sportbikes passing like complete idiots in blind corners at totally irresponsible speeds.

If you saw that video and it was cars doing the passing instead of motorcycles - what would you think then? What's the difference?

Irresponsible is irresponsible - and dangerous.

 
I would say nothing as a "250 cc under power humiliating peace of jap crap" would have been going **** loads faster than her pins could.
Cheers doodles
Haven't you ever came upto to a full blown bagger going 10mph under the speed limit, or a newb on a sport bike parking in the corner?

You got to realize how one sided your comments are and considering our hobby we should be a more tolerant to other road users if we expect other to be tolerant to us.

 
I would say nothing as a "250 cc under power humiliating peace of jap crap" would have been going **** loads faster than her pins could.

Cheers doodles
Haven't you ever came upto to a full blown bagger going 10mph under the speed limit, or a newb on a sport bike parking in the corner?

You got to realize how one sided your comments are and considering our hobby we should be a more tolerant to other road users if we expect other to be tolerant to us.
Cougar8000

Let’s put things into some sort of perspective.

Yes I have come across drivers/riders going 20-30-40k’s under the sped limit. And when it is safe to do so I get the hell out of there. If I’m on my bike I do in double time even on double yellow/white lines, I’m out and in like a flash, perfectly safe to do so when there's space, but not for a car (unless you can see for a fair distance ahead).

I am also a considerate rider. If someone wants to pass I get out of the way, I expect the same in return but this does not happen as often as I’d like it to.

I am comparing a bicycle to a motorbike and on a dangerous road. Road user or not she is the pinnacle of stupidity if she rides on a dangerous road such as that one obviously is. It’s like walking through a dangerous neighbourhood, there is no law that says you can’t and you are legally entitled to be there but you’ll most likely get the **** kicked out of you if you come across the wrong type.

Cheers

 
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IMHO, your analogy has so many flaws that it is amazing.

We all know that you can get your *** kicked in a good neighborhoods just as much and as quick as in the project. So, using your logic if you live in a gated community and decide to take your exotic dog for a walk and get your *** kicked it is your own fault?!

In any case. I am know that it is probably too late to change your mind. I just hope you will never come across someone who has the same logic and drives a truck while you are on your bike.

Peace.

 
I had to chuckle when I read some one's post about the cyclist being on "a dangerous road". Ironically, the posters' sig says that he doesn't give ambiguous answers, yet "a dangerous road" is not ambiguous?? Anyhow....just an observation. Not trying to start anything.

Another observation is how some folks try to some how deflect the issue by mentioning what cars do or RV's do, or whomever. Reminds me of my child trying to justify their wrongful act by saying, "But Amanda does it too." My point is that it's our responsibilty to control our destiny in this wonderful sport/hobby/lifestyle of motorcycling. I'd be the first person to put my hand in the air and admit to doing something bonehead so please don't feel like I'm passing judgement here, 'cause I'm just as guilty. However, in the last 15 years I've tried to be as good of an "ambassador" as I can be. I go fast when I can, and slow when I have to.

Lastly, as for taking it to the track - I agree. Having raced and having been around racing for a number of years, I'm not the least bit impressed by folks dragging knees and whatever on mountain roads. You wanna impress me?? Go to a track and let me put a stopwatch on your ***. Click off decent lap times over & over.....then I'm impressed.

Tom

 
IMHO, your analogy has so many flaws that it is amazing.
We all know that you can get your *** kicked in a good neighborhoods just as much and as quick as in the project. So, using your logic if you live in a gated community and decide to take your exotic dog for a walk and get your *** kicked it is your own fault?!

In any case. I am know that it is probably too late to change your mind. I just hope you will never come across someone who has the same logic and drives a truck while you are on your bike.

Peace.

Cougar it apparent (to me) you are a person who takes things literally...unable to decipher the metaphorical from the literal...no point in expressing my thoughts. Riding a pushbike on a "Dangerous Road" like that and be given the common courtesy as road user – yeah right good luck… Did you not watch the video??? Did she not say she was hit by a motorbike?? Do motorbikes speed there and take huge risks??? But hey you want to ride you pushie go right ahead. It has nothing to do with courtesy as we all know some just don’t get it; some just don’t want to play by the rules.

I am happy for you Cougar if you choose to ride your pushbike on that road just don’t whinge about it if and when you get bowled over. After all it is you right to experience the journey.

Tom

It looked dangerous to me so I don't consider it to be an unambiguous statement but if you do good luck to you son.

Cheers

Thug

 
WOW!!! I cannot believe some of the crap that's been posted in this thread.

BramFrank, I can't prove it here, but I believe what you identified as "alot of dirt on the road" was actually oil absorbent, most likely put there on purpose to soak up the multitude of fluids that mutilated sportbike must have left in its' wake.

To BramFrank and Thug, your attitudes towards bicyclists is absolutely appalling! Road use taxes have absolutely nothing to do with a bicyclists right to use the road. And regardless of how crazy you think they may be for riding on a road like that in the first place, it IS their legal right to do so. Walking through a bad neighborhood does NOT give the locals the right to kick your *** and rob you, and you don't deserve it just because you did! I knew what Ohio's laws were regarding bicyclists, but wasn't sure about GA, so I looked it up. The GA DMV rulebook says;

"Bicyclists may be using the road at any time. Please pass them with caution, treating them as you would any other vehicle you wish to pass on a two lane road. Because bicyclists do not always travel in a straight line, allow extra width when passing."

That's a direct quote. Just because bicycling ain't your bag, don't mean you can just piss on bicyclists!

For the record, I'm an occasional bicyclist, not an avid one. I'm far from being Mr. Safety. My avatar shows exactly the kind of riding I like to do (yes, that's me). But there's a time and a place for fast riding, and anybody that says there's nothing wrong with what those guys are doing there, doesn't deserve to operate a motorcycle on public roadways either. To try and pass blame off to the bicyclist, or berate the TV station as blowing things out of proportion, is about as closed minded as an attitude gets.

I would be wrong to not at least give BramFrank credit for mentioning the tiered licensing system. It would solve ALOT of motorcycle related problems here in the states. New riders should not be allowed to buy 170 mph motorcycles without proving they can operate one safely. It works in other countries, no reason it couldn't work here. I also think that people should have to retake their driving test every decade or two to prove you can still drive...not just pass some pathetic vision test and keep on going. I pulled my 73 year old mother off the road when it became painfully clear she was a menace behind the wheel. She didn't like it and neither did I, but I couldn't wait for her to kill herself or somebody else.

I am a biker (motorcyclist) to my very core. Anybody that knows me will say the same. And I like to ride fast. All those same people will attest to that too. I think we bikers often get a raw deal on the road and in the courts, but I don't think every other road user is supposed to kiss our ***** or get the hell out of our way just because we want them to. I've been an AMA member for 16 years because I want to support those who are working to protect my right to ride. Right is right, and fair is fair, no matter which side of the issue you're on. Sometimes you're on the wrong side. Deal with it.

 
Thug - your ummm, "reasoning" is, how shall I phrase it? - Interesting, to say the least.

And I'd your quote about sums it up -- "some just don’t want to play by the rules".

Too bad it's those moronic hoodlums on sportbikes.

It's not the fault of others on the road, whether it be bicyclists, car drivers or other responsible motorcyclists.

And I'd have to agree that I hope you don't come across a truck driver who shares your "views" while you are on a motorcycle and exercising your "rights".

 
Gentleman lets take a deep breath please...all I have been saying is that if you want to play with fire go right ahead but when you get burnt don't have a whinge about it.

Who in the **** was talking about one's rights for ****'s sake!!! Do what you like it's your neck...

Respectfully

Hugs and Kisses and all that

Thug

 
Alright,

I am gonna Hijack this thread.

Anybody wanna go for a ride here next month (Dec) and see home many bicycles we can run over? :eek:

Just kidding on the bike thing.

Seriously though Dec Ride?

I'll start a link in the Southeast ride section. the roads should be clear of wanna-Bs in Dec.

 
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all I have been saying is that if you want to play with fire go right ahead but when you get burnt don't have a whinge about it.Respectfully

Thug

And what I'm saying Thug, is that the bicyclist was hit head-on by what the news story described as a speeding, out of control sportbike. If it had been you on your motorcycle, instead of her on her bicycle that got hit head-on by a speeding, out of control sportbike, would you "have a whinge about it"? Would you feel you were "playing with fire" because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or would you be trying to get your hands on the ******* that hit you because he was riding over his head? So why is she different because she's on a bicycle?? You seem to think she was in the wrong because she was riding her bicycle on a public road. She was within the law, risky or not. He was the one being reckless, and she paid the price. She was just (legally) doing what she loves to do, just like you and I everytime we throw a leg over our motorcycles (also a risky proposition by most accounts). That shouldn't be characterized as "playing with fire".

When the wife and I were riding back to Ohio from Florida via Deal's Gap back in Sept, THREE dresser Harleys all came around a blind curve on the Dragon coming at me IN MY LANE! Fortunately I was riding well within my limits and managed to avoid all three of the *********! THAT is the kind of crap that news story was all about, and yes, it really is a problem. I know motorcycling comes with risks, but guys like that make it a bigger risk than it should be, to us, and to everyone else around them. I've been going to the Gap every year for the last 12 or so, and that's certainly not the first time I've almost been taken out by some adrenaline addled ********. I go there to ride hard, but I ride within my limits, I leave a margin for error, and I damn sure keep my eyes wide open.

I thought the news story was about as impartial as it could be, given the subject matter. They certainly didn't take the usual 'all motorcycles should be banned' slant you would normally see on a news show. It was a well written piece about a realistic problem. We should be arguing about how to get people like that to stop making all motorcyclists look bad, not about whether or not the chick on the bicycle should have been there.

 
When the wife and I were riding back to Ohio from Florida via Deal's Gap back in Sept, THREE dresser Harleys all came around a blind curve on the Dragon coming at me IN MY LANE!
Uhm, that's why I now ride an '05 rather than an '04. Harley in my lane on a closing radius turn (to him) and I was forced off the road. FYI, FJRs do not "fly" well...actually they do, but they land horribly. Cliff diving--not for the faint of heart!

Let's all remember that the news story is about those who exceed their personal limits and abuse safety margins when there are others who share the same road. They DO give all motorcyclists a bad reputation whether or not we choose to accept it. The young rider who "took out" the bicyclist can be thankful he didn't meet a semi (or motorhome...or minivan full of children...or a sedan full of vacationers) coming the other way....delete one "Darwin-challenged" rider!

 
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