Bike Effects
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Although I am not allergic to bees, wasps or whatever that I know of, what would be a good thing to carry with me if I were to be stung?
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radman
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Getting stung in 2005 and having a reaction to where I had none previously I started wondering. I learned there are two types of reactions and you can't predict if or when you might have a first reaction.
1. Systemic reaction (what I had coming back from WFO-4). This type of reaction is where you get stung in within about 5 minutes or so your blood pressure drops and you can pass out. If your lose consciousness like I did it scares the crap out of you. After 1/2 hour you're pretty much over it. Carry an antihistamine like Benadryl or there is a prescription version of it. Once you have this type of reaction you tend to have it ever stung again.
2. Anaphylaxis (which I didn't have). This is the type that can kill you as it may affect your breathing. This type can last for several days if I remember right. Epi pen.
Having one type of reaction has NO bearing on whether you'll be at risk of having the other type of reaction in the future.
BIG PROBLEM WITH THE EPI-PEN IS THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING HOT. I find this extremely problematic in the heat of the summer and long rides and don't bother carrying one. It would be cooked my first rally or long ride.
1. Systemic reaction (what I had coming back from WFO-4). This type of reaction is where you get stung in within about 5 minutes or so your blood pressure drops and you can pass out. If your lose consciousness like I did it scares the crap out of you. After 1/2 hour you're pretty much over it. Carry an antihistamine like Benadryl or there is a prescription version of it. Once you have this type of reaction you tend to have it ever stung again.
2. Anaphylaxis (which I didn't have). This is the type that can kill you as it may affect your breathing. This type can last for several days if I remember right. Epi pen.
Having one type of reaction has NO bearing on whether you'll be at risk of having the other type of reaction in the future.
BIG PROBLEM WITH THE EPI-PEN IS THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING HOT. I find this extremely problematic in the heat of the summer and long rides and don't bother carrying one. It would be cooked my first rally or long ride.
ionbeam
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Bee stings cause a sensitization type reaction. You may not have a reaction to your first bee sting because your body hadn’t yet manufactured the antibody immunoglobulin but once stung your body starts making the specific immunoglobulin. The next time you are stung by a bee, the allergy antibodies react to the bee venom. The antibodies cells and basophils respond to the bee venom as an allergen causing the release histamine and other chemicals. It’s the histamine that gets ya. Been there, done that. I’ve had an adrenalin/oil mixture shot into big muscles (gluts <g>
so that it would time release over a week to keep my heart pumping and lungs working. It gets old after the first couple of hours, and a week without sleep sucks. Uhh, did I mention that I had received close to a 100 wasp stings mostly in the neck and head and face? :dribble:
so that it would time release over a week to keep my heart pumping and lungs working. It gets old after the first couple of hours, and a week without sleep sucks. Uhh, did I mention that I had received close to a 100 wasp stings mostly in the neck and head and face? :dribble:
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radman
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twowheelnut
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Bee stings cause a sensitization type reaction. You may not have a reaction to your first bee sting because your body hadn’t yet manufactured the antibody immunoglobulin but once stung your body starts making the specific immunoglobulin. The next time you are stung by a bee, the allergy antibodies react to the bee venom. The antibodies cells and basophils respond to the bee venom as an allergen causing the release histamine and other chemicals. It’s the histamine that gets ya. Been there, done that. I’ve had an adrenalin/oil mixture shot into big muscles (gluts <g>
So, Docs... Every time I do this (raises arm over head) it hurts. What should I do? :dntknw:
<waits for rim shot>
Oh, and I have this theoretical quantum physics poser that I can' quite work out: Regarding retrodiction of generalized measurement outcomes as compared to experimental demonstration of optimal unambiguous state discrimination... How would this affect of the relative (but absolute) time one would expect boogers to form at light speed? I'm stumped - any help?
Thanks and sorry for the hijack, BE. (snigger, I wrote 'BE'! get it? BE... Bee? Oh, ****, I kill myself! :rofl: )
Charlie Hoss
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Not long ago, I mentioned that I carry a small bottle of a watery paste made of baking soda and water. When rubbed into a bee sting, the pain goes away almost immediately. It probably won't help an allergic reaction.
What is 88 miles per hour and 1.21 jigawatts Alex?
The FJR is easily capable of the former.....in a minority gear no less. It's the latter that that's tough without making the sucker nuclear.
Cold Fusion for $1000 please.....
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ionbeam
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Stop posting to the forum, it will ease everyone's pain.
No assist here
Yes, I used to be an ugly Neanderthal but due to the skin tightening and health benefits of bee venom I have transformed into the handsome cuss you see in my profile. PS -- I do insurance commercials too. I've only been left with a drooping eye lid and partial blindness in one eye. May your luck be better.
Point remains, stung once is not a predictor as to what may happen upon the second sting.
dcarver
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hmmm. another good thread gone bad. I got stung about 3 weeks ago.. riding solo.. and while in my post I made it sound, umm, like no big deal.. it did kind of freak me out.. because things got very surrealistic pillow for a bit.. to the point of stopping, pulling the helmet off, sitting down, downing some water, pop some ibuprofen, do a serious self-analysis, then carry on. For some, this is a pretty serious matter.
Mogambo
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Believe it or not, simply taking a Benedryl can be effective. I always travel with it for just such an instance. You get stung, pop a Benedryl. It can help a great deal to help alleviate allergic reactions.
twowheelnut
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Now, 'beam, if I did that you'd have just radman left for the humor stuff. Now wouldn't that make for a dull world (especially since he's on that animal kick lately :blink: )? By the way, is that a hand-held universal insulation measuring instrument in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?Stop posting to the forum, it will ease everyone's pain.
Click me.
:bleh: :grin:
Oh, and Carver, as for the bee sting thing to get back on track - at least once a year for me, mostly a face shot or neck shot and only once did I have one wind up my sleeve and nail me when I went to scratch at it (I thought it was an itch). I'm not allergic so no worries and I cannot advise as to what should be brought along in the event of a reaction. I'm a risk taker - what can I say?
Better?
dcarver
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All better TWN... now I'm satisfied..Now, 'beam, if I did that you'd have just radman left for the humor stuff. Now wouldn't that make for a dull world (especially since he's on that animal kick lately :blink: )? By the way, is that a hand-held universal insulation measuring instrument in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?Stop posting to the forum, it will ease everyone's pain.
Click me.
:bleh: :grin:
Oh, and Carver, as for the bee sting thing to get back on track - at least once a year for me, mostly a face shot or neck shot and only once did I have one wind up my sleeve and nail me when I went to scratch at it (I thought it was an itch). I'm not allergic so no worries and I cannot advise as to what should be brought along in the event of a reaction. I'm a risk taker - what can I say?
Better?
Toecutter
What would DoG do?
I carry two EpiPens, one vial each of injectable Benadryl and Epinephrine with syringes, and 4 20mg tablets of Prednisone along with some alcohol prep pads for the injections.
When I had my sidetrip to death's door, it was my 4th incident of Honey Bee stings, one in the hand at three years of age, one of several shots to the scalp area about 30 years ago, then one in the foot about seven years after that. The foot swelled up too big to wear a shoe, but that was it. I also got hit multiple times in the groin area by yellow jackets (meat bees) about 11 years ago during a backpack bow hunt in Nevada with no ill effects other than the obvious pain that I can still feel whenever I recall the incident. That was the last time I got stung before the reaction. If I had reacted back then you never would have heard of me, as we were about 4 hours from a vehicle.
BTW, that was one kick-ass hunt!
I've heard that you don't really know what kind of reaction you'll get until you've been stung 4 times. Not sure if there's anything to that, but my 4th time was a doozie.
On the bright side, I've finally made it to full strength desensitizing mixture, and I'm about 35 visits from full dosage. I can go in every three days Mon-Fri, but my work schedule doesn't allow that every week. I should be there by next summer, but the allergist says I will still need to carry my kit.
dcarver
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Hey Toe, I have to admit I wanted to ask you where you carried the 'anti-venom' on your bike should the poop hit fan or the stinger hit your body.. but didn't want to, ahh, push your envelope of privacy. Next time, with you, or anyone else, I will just freakin ask..
I say this because last Friday, leaving work, I came across a bicycle/car accident and the bike rider was seriously ****** up. 2 broken legs were obvious. It was already dark-thirty. I was driving the 1 ton duelie that day, so I parked it right in front of the downed rider to keep anyone else from hitting him. Then, frankly, I didn't know what the f##K to do. I did my best, but I'm not trained. I just kept him from moving, (right, like those legs were going to propel him anywhere), stabilized him, had others call 911... then just waited.. very scary.
So, for you dude, next time, I'm asking where and what to do. So there.
Bike Effects
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I will start carrying some Benedryl. That is easy. What about Epi-pens? How long are they good for in a saddle or tail bag? Are they easily obtainable?
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Toecutter
What would DoG do?
They're prescription only. It depends on your doctor. Ask him for a two-pack. I carry mine in the tail bag, and they have suffered no ill effects from being in the heat so far. If you get some, let me know. I might be able to hook you up with a fancy little carrying pack.
evilmedic13
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If you are allergic to bee stings, or anything get a medicalert bracelet just so we can have a clue, as opposed to wasting time guessing what the hell happened BEFORE your airway shuts down! Had a biciyclist w/ this problem, only thing that gave me a clue was the stinger embedded in his forearm! I have no idea why it stayed but it did and we were able to treat him for anaphalaxis instaed of the heat stroke all the medical expert bystanders were telling us to treat. As we loaded him up he had enough voice to tell everybody standing around "thanks for your efforts to kill me ******** next time turn off ER and go read a book and leave it to experts".
Turns out he used to be a medic, and hated bystanders, best pt I had that day. So please carry some sort of notification device, circumstances may prevent you from treating yourself, don't lose your life because of arrogance/ignorance due to thinking you have it "under control" or "won't happen to me"syndrome. It MIGHT! That's why I carry a full kit during group rides; 2bags saline, 2 epi 1:1000 w/ syringes, 2 50mg amps benadryl, 1 amp d50 , 1 amp atropine and assorted angio's w/ iv start kits. It fits neatly in my tank bag and no one see's it unless I use it. Got funny looks when ISP pulled us over once but said it was a good idea,though suspiscious at first. Thank god I sound convincing when carrying smack
Turns out he used to be a medic, and hated bystanders, best pt I had that day. So please carry some sort of notification device, circumstances may prevent you from treating yourself, don't lose your life because of arrogance/ignorance due to thinking you have it "under control" or "won't happen to me"syndrome. It MIGHT! That's why I carry a full kit during group rides; 2bags saline, 2 epi 1:1000 w/ syringes, 2 50mg amps benadryl, 1 amp d50 , 1 amp atropine and assorted angio's w/ iv start kits. It fits neatly in my tank bag and no one see's it unless I use it. Got funny looks when ISP pulled us over once but said it was a good idea,though suspiscious at first. Thank god I sound convincing when carrying smack
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