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black mamba

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I have been a very vocal critic, for some time now, of letting tractor-trailer rigs onto certain roads, like the infamous " Dragon ". It is one of the reasons I avoid that road like the plague. I recently spent 3 weeks riding some of my favorite routes in the N.C., TN, and Virginia high country. I witnessed first hand some of the folly and stupidity in allowing these type trucks access to certain stretches of highway.

For those of you not familiar with it, The " Snake " represents one of the most entertaining and challenging rides you will ever take on a motorcycle. It is Hwy. # 421 and , going south to north, runs from Mountain City, TN, and goes to Shady Valley, TN, crosses through a gorgeous valley, and continues on to Bristol, TN. It is about 30 miles in length and has close to 500 curves and turns. Depending on your pace, it can be a casual cruise or one of the most white-knuckle experiences of your life and is rapidly attaining a " must ride " status with those in the know. Going on it from north to south, leaving Bristol, I got caught behind a huge semi and had to follow it for about a 5 mile stretch before coming into Shady Valley. The truck literally filled up the whole road probably 90 percent of the time I was behind it. How it made it around some of the switch-backs amazes me still, but the truth is that in many instances they don't make it and become lodged between obsticles. I remember thinking at the time how lucky it was that no other vehicle came from the opposite direction while I followed that truck.

The next day, my wife and I were back on the " Snake " , riding two-up. Two guys on sport bikes blew by us at a pretty good clip. We could see ahead to the next turn ( a left hand one ) as they went into it. When we got to the turn, we found a tractor-trailer stopped, one of the sport bikes resting under the trailer and the other bike banged up against a rock wall. Talking to the riders, they said, as they came around the turn, the cab of the truck was in their lane entirely and the trailer had entirely blocked the other lane. Fortunately, both riders had reduced their speed going into the corner because of some gravel on the pavement. One of the guys did a low-side and ended up beneath the truck's trailer. The other rider had no option but to try and slow his bike as best he could before hitting the shear rock wall to his right. Both riders had on good safety gear and suffered only minor injuries. The bike that hit the wall was not rideable. This episode could have been a lot worse than it was.

Common sense needs to prevail and these type trucks need to be banned from those kind of roads.

 
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Here's one on 421 last year, on a wide sweeper. Imaging it on the tighter stuff!

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Well,

As a truck driver, I can relate to your concerns...

HOWEVER

They NEED to bring food,gas, ect to your favorite places and have to get there somehow. I know i would not choose to drive on these kind of roads, But Sometimes i HAVE to. Same as the trucks you see there.

Remember,

" Without Trucks, America stops"

Adam

 
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They NEED to bring food,gas, ect to your favorite places and have to get there somehow.
Good deal, someone who knows trucking. Maybe you can answer a question for me. Is there any reason why 18 wheelers are mandatory for "milk runs" through the backroads? Doesn't seem like Backwater, TN needs THAT much cargo, so why not smaller cargo trucks on such roads? I'd just think that with some scheduling adjustments, a fairly serious safety hazard could be avoided. But then I don't know the trucking industry. Can you shed some light?

 
If a truck is too big to fit on the road without crossing over the center line it shouldn't be on that road. Either alternate routes or smaller trucks are called for.

I recall a thread form about 6 months ago talking about a new interstate that would bypass some of the roads around the dragon. Although a road like that will have an environmental and aesthetic impact, it will keep most of the big truck traffic off of the smaller roads.

 
As an ex-truck driver I understand GalaxyBlue's comments. However many roads these trucks go down are not the only way. I mentioned a road in West Virginia that I have seen trucks on and it is simply a short cut. They should be going down 81 to 9 and not using 901.

Now also as a ex-truck driver many times we are sent to areas we don't know.

The map many times doesn't clearly represent that a road is too tight for us until we get on it and it is too late.

Signs for inclines are greatly used, I would like to see signs at road entrances such as these that show that trucks should not go down as they cant make it without crossing into on coming lanes.

This is where normal box trucks and others will then have to make deliveries into these areas if no other route is available.

Many doubles are used just for this so that a trucker can drop one trailer, get into the area, go back for the other.

Safety should be first and not "WITHOUT TRUCKS AMERICA STOPS"...

They NEED to bring food,gas, ect to your favorite places and have to get there somehow.
Good deal, someone who knows trucking. Maybe you can answer a question for me. Is there any reason why 18 wheelers are mandatory for "milk runs" through the backroads? Doesn't seem like Backwater, TN needs THAT much cargo, so why not smaller cargo trucks on such roads? I'd just think that with some scheduling adjustments, a fairly serious safety hazard could be avoided. But then I don't know the trucking industry. Can you shed some light?
Because they got the contract...

No real reason for it. Would bet that trucks cargo gets delivered all over not just there.

Money will be a big issue. From where a company picks up cargo to where it needs delivered. If it is far it will be a job for a tractor. If that company doesn't have local warehouses it will be hard to get a small truck to do the route.

Now with that said I have had to for some companies actually pick up loads on a regular tractor-trailer and then off load to smaller trucks when I got to an area. It is done but again money for a warehouse, fork lifts, people, etc and time.

The trucking industry has become hugely computerized, satellite tracked right down to how sophisticated the trucks are now. As things happen changes happens but it won't happen over night.

Many times it is not the industry but the driver himself. Once he/she figures out the road is not safe they should try to find ways around it. Of course new drivers come on everyday. The company if enough accidents happen may put up notices that certain roads are off limits. Satellite tracking can make it so that the office knows if you go down them anyway. This can result in fines, loss of increase in pay as it is often based on your keeping speed down, gas useage, getting to sites on times etc.

The job is a very hard one. I stopped doing it because of its difficulty. Truck drivers don't stay drivers for very long if they aren't concerned about safety.

 
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I thought "The Dragon" had signs posted regarding length of vehicles.

There are a couple of roads along the California coast that have actual parking places before you enter the road...if your vehicle doesn't fit between the length lines you must turn around. Truck, camper, motorhome, pickup truck and boat trailer...if you're too long the CHP will cite you. There are plenty of signs posted on the roads in CA stating restrictions for length or number of axles/weight.

I concur with Sparky that newer drivers are just looking for the shortest route between major highways and the maps are not marked as to the severity of the turns or inclines. If that driver doesn't ask someone beforehand, he'll be committed to the road and CAN'T turn around. Many truck drivers get on the CB radios and ask about certain roads out here. I'm betting that these guys didn't bother to ask, it just looked like a nice mountain road and it has a State Highway Number........

I'm glad the sportbike riders were slowing because of gravel. No need to discuss riding within their sight lines.....

 
To be fair, all 4 roads into and out of Shady Valley are twisties, and the Bristol side of 421 is the best out of the 4.

BUT, Shady only has a population of 1,800 with 3 small country stores, easily servicable by a short truck.

 
To be fair, all 4 roads into and out of Shady Valley are twisties, and the Bristol side of 421 is the best out of the 4.
BUT, Shady only has a population of 1,800 with 3 small country stores, easily servicable by a short truck.

Seems a lot of transportation is short in TN. Snigger. :D

 
I wont comment on these issues anymore since the general population hates us. And does not really want to hear our side.

<<< KEEPING MOUTH SHUT>>>

 
I wont comment on these issues anymore since the general population hates us. And does not really want to hear our side.
<<< KEEPING MOUTH SHUT>>>

I likes you truckers. Really, I do. You keep my fridge full of beer and my liquor cabinet stocked with Jack - true dat. [example] But those of your trucker brudda's an' sista's who line up on I-10 and wait for a cage or bike to come up from behind and pull out right in front of him at the last second, then proceed to poke up the hill at 45 mph for ten miles oughta stripped of license. I run my CB a lot on those runs and you can hear these truckers playing their little game for miles. [/example]

Maybe it's these guys you should be upset with, ruining your good rep and all.

 
I wont comment on these issues anymore since the general population hates us. And does not really want to hear our side.

<<< KEEPING MOUTH SHUT>>>

I likes you truckers. Really, I do. You keep my fridge full of beer and my liquor cabinet stocked with Jack - true dat. [example] But those of your trucker brudda's an' sista's who line up on I-10 and wait for a cage or bike to come up from behind and pull out right in front of him at the last second, then proceed to poke up the hill at 45 mph for ten miles oughta stripped of license. I run my CB a lot on those runs and you can hear these truckers playing their little game for miles. [/example]

Maybe it's these guys you should be upset with, ruining your good rep and all.
You are right TWN...

I cant begin to tell you the **** i see and hear out there! I really hate the way these bad apples ruined our image of a respectable profession.

I give up trying to defend it since it is a mute point.

 
I wont comment on these issues anymore since the general population hates us. And does not really want to hear our side.

<<< KEEPING MOUTH SHUT>>>

I likes you truckers. Really, I do. You keep my fridge full of beer and my liquor cabinet stocked with Jack - true dat. [example] But those of your trucker brudda's an' sista's who line up on I-10 and wait for a cage or bike to come up from behind and pull out right in front of him at the last second, then proceed to poke up the hill at 45 mph for ten miles oughta stripped of license. I run my CB a lot on those runs and you can hear these truckers playing their little game for miles. [/example]

Maybe it's these guys you should be upset with, ruining your good rep and all.
You are right TWN...

I cant begin to tell you the **** i see and hear out there! I really hate the way these bad apples ruined our image of a respectable profession.

I give up trying to defend it since it is a mute point.
My brother-n-law owns his own truck in CO. Hauls natural gas 3 times a day.

As I said I stopped because I couldn't hack it. Long hours, small pay, away from home.

It was a job I always wanted to do as a kid and I can at least say I got my feet wet.

Much respect for those who sacrifice all that they do to be a trucker.

The company I worked for didn't go past Texas to Chicago. I hauled mostly Steal coils, Steal pre-fabbed buildings, lumber, etc. I drove for Boyd and the Freightliners were old and slow.

When I drove a car carrier for a towing company I had a Peterbuilt with a 425 Cat and it was like driving a cadillac compared to the trucks Boyd had. Brakes leaked, going up and down the hills in Virginia I remember having to down shift almost to 2nd just to get up and road in 3rd all the way down trying to keep off the brakes so I wouldn't lose too much air. Talk about your butt pukering...

 
Here's one on 421 last year, on a wide sweeper. Imaging it on the tighter stuff!
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Sooo....what don't I understand here...??? Why is the left front wheel of the tractor already over the center line with a good 6 feet of pavement unused to the right of the tractor...???

This is just an idiot driver not staying in his lane...nothing to do with it being a truck necessarily.

You guys haven't even started in on the coal trucks one sees and passes in West Virginia. Those lads can really hustle down the mountain....and they tend to use their half of the road in the middle quite often.

 
Here's one on 421 last year, on a wide sweeper. Imaging it on the tighter stuff!

16502870-L.jpg

Sooo....what don't I understand here...??? Why is the left front wheel of the tractor already over the center line with a good 6 feet of pavement unused to the right of the tractor...???

This is just an idiot driver not staying in his lane...nothing to do with it being a truck necessarily.
The driver is just setting it up for the next turn. :lol:

He must ride a Harley on his days off. :eek:

 
Wow, trucking tread on a moto board....me like it! I've been in the trucking industry my entire career, as a truck salesman. I've worked for Volvo Trucks North America for years and I'm the District Sales Manager for the Southeast region.

I could write a whole book on this, but the short of it, in my opinon is this. There's a lot of professional truck drivers out there. There's also a bunch of truck driving morons.

Everybody that drives a vehicle on a public highway (any type; car, moto, whatever) should be requireed to drive a big rig for one week. It's amazing how car drivers ( and moto riders) will pull in front of a rig, slam on brakes and turn.

As for small trucks servicing small cities, that's a logistical nightmare. Most truck operators try to buy trucks that can fit in any of their hauls. So if you buy a smaller truck for a specific load, you will be limited how and when you can use that truck. Not very efficient or cost effective.

Most truckers try to balance the shortest route with the easiest route. Trust me, I bet there's not many truck drivers that like to take "The Dragon", but if it saves them 50 miles, they almost have to. At 6mpg and $3 per gallon, trucking gets expensive real quick.

So, give truckers a break and ignore the truck driving morons.........kinda like morotcyclists, huh?!?!?

 

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