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I have heard it mentioned on here but have no idea what it is. Someone said it was just another format type for TV like VHS and Beetamax were for video originally.

Heard today that that Toshiba have abandoned HD for Blueray so all the HD TV's/DVD's for sale in our shops are potentially extinct???

 
Just the HD-DVD or whatever they call the player. Major retailers have decided to sell only Blueray. Should not have an affect on the TV, but you will have lots of shiny discs to hang from your rear view mirror.

 
Toshiba's HD-DVD and Sony's Blu-Ray technologies are competing high-def DVD formats. DVD vendors and retail stores have been needing to pick one or the other, or sell both. But lately, big-box stores like Wally World, movie studios and Netflix have put their foot (boot?) down and said enough, we're only going to carry or produce DVD's in Blu-Ray only. Thus bringing the demise of HD-DVD. Unlike with Betamax, looks like Sony won this time.

Recent article HERE

 
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It is VERY similar to the VHS-Betamax battle in the early 80's. A Blue-ray DVD is a hi-definition DVD and requires a Blue-ray specific DVD player to play. HD DVD was just another hi-definition format and like VHS-Betamax, was NOT compatible with Blue-ray players....and visa vera.

What's the difference? To the average Joe like me, there was none. Both produced incredible Hi-def sound and images. I impatiently rolled the dice a year ago and bought a HD DVD player. I'll keep that in order to play the handful of HD DVD's I have, but I'll also be adding a Blue-ray player soon. I suspect now that there is only one format, competition for the hardware will increase and they will quickly become more affordable.

 
I suspect now that there is only one format, competition for the hardware will increase and they will quickly become more affordable.
We can only hope.

I just reread that article. Here's something to ponder: Microsoft and Intel were supporters of HD-DVD. WTF does that tell you?

 
I suspect now that there is only one format, competition for the hardware will increase and they will quickly become more affordable.
We can only hope.

I just reread that article. Here's something to ponder: Microsoft and Intel were supporters of HD-DVD. WTF does that tell you?
Some of that is just because Sony was a BluRay developer, and MS had to be different, i.e. compete against. They snagged the HD-DVD format for their [optional] HD player on the Xbox360, versus Sony's built-in Blu-Ray in the PS3.

Intel goes with Microsoft. They know what runs on their chips.

There's also which format the studios support, and various stupid business reasons for those positions.

As for TV obsolescence, it's completely irrelevant. Either format, HD-DVD or BluRay, will connect to any HD TV set. They just don't play each other's discs (although a few dual-format players emerged.)

Kinda like MS's current grudge against Google, and trying to prove they can do it better, with Windows Live Search, and then trying to buy Yahoo. So far, they're not better . . . . :glare:

 
One of the driving factors was that most movie studios have contracts with Blue-ray(sony) and I think that there was only one hold out for Hd-dvd. That means that not many movies would be available on hd-dvd.

 
Just as Wfooshee said... re tv's...

HD-DVD or Blu-Ray have nothing to do with your TV per se. They are a type of DVD player. They are really in existance because they are improved video quality DVD's. (To get this improved quality, you need the player and the High Definition DVD --- And a High Definition TV).

HD-DVD players only play HD-DVD's (on any High Def TV).

Blu-Ray players only play Blu-Ray DVD's (on any High Def TV).

These 2 new DVD formats are incompatible with each other, but they are both compatible with your High Def TV.

To get the most of either of these 2 formats, you would want your HD TV to be capable of the very highest High Def resolution, which is 1080p. But if you didn't want to buy one of these High Def DVD players, then paying for an HD TV that can display 1080p is kinda worthless because no broadcast TV will likely ever be in 1080p, the highest broadcast is either 1080i (which stands for 'i'nterlaced btw) or 780p (the 'p' is for 'p'rogressive).

The only other devices that do 1080p would be gaming devices like the play station 3, etc.

Hope that helps a little. Regards,

 
Philo T. Farnsworth the inventor of television, came to deeply regret what he had wrought, as he grew old watching television fail to bring high culture and education to the masses, and instead portray what he felt was depravity and vice.

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Farnsworth was a farm boy from Idaho who was plowing a field in 1920, at the age of thirteen. With no training in physics whatsoever, merely from reading a Sears & Roebuck catalog he suddenly had a vision. He saw in the parallel rows of the field a way of distributing electrons on the screen of an electronic tube. This would create pictures to go along with radio --- something called television. Such was life in rural America eighty years ago.

The story of Farnsworth is the usual one of a genius with a daffy idea which turns out not to be so daffy. And, too, according to the script, as he works with limited capital and nothing but belief in his ideas, he gets close to success, and then suddenly finds himself getting screwed on all fronts by the financial operators who really run the U. S.

In this case, the royal screwing came from the operator of operators, Dave Sarnoff of the Radio Corporation of America. This was the man who single-handedly snatched up the patents and finally drove the inventor of FM --- the powerful and brilliant Edwin Howard Armstrong --- into despair and ultimate suicide. For Sarnoff, to do in Philo T. Farnsworth was small potatoes.

 
Philo T. Farnsworth the inventor of television, came to deeply regret what he had wrought, as he grew old watching television fail to bring high culture and education to the masses, and instead portray what he felt was depravity and vice.
farnsworth490x335.gif


Farnsworth was a farm boy from Idaho who was plowing a field in 1920, at the age of thirteen. With no training in physics whatsoever, merely from reading a Sears & Roebuck catalog he suddenly had a vision. He saw in the parallel rows of the field a way of distributing electrons on the screen of an electronic tube. This would create pictures to go along with radio --- something called television. Such was life in rural America eighty years ago.

The story of Farnsworth is the usual one of a genius with a daffy idea which turns out not to be so daffy. And, too, according to the script, as he works with limited capital and nothing but belief in his ideas, he gets close to success, and then suddenly finds himself getting screwed on all fronts by the financial operators who really run the U. S.

In this case, the royal screwing came from the operator of operators, Dave Sarnoff of the Radio Corporation of America. This was the man who single-handedly snatched up the patents and finally drove the inventor of FM --- the powerful and brilliant Edwin Howard Armstrong --- into despair and ultimate suicide. For Sarnoff, to do in Philo T. Farnsworth was small potatoes.
Ahhhhh... I love happy bedtime stories. Tell me another gramps :clapping:

 
My question is this: Is any of the big companies and or studios gonna continue to produce plain old DVD's for the techno-challenged folks like me? Or am I gonna have to buy a BluRay player for any new movies I decide I want to buy?

I have probably on the order of 400 or so DVD's and if everything is gonna come out from now on on BluRay, I'm kinda stuck having to buy another componet for my entertainment center and trying to figure out a way to hook in two differect disc players.

I did disconnect my VCR since I really no longer watch any tapes.

 
My question is this: Is any of the big companies and or studios gonna continue to produce plain old DVD's for the techno-challenged folks like me? Or am I gonna have to buy a BluRay player for any new movies I decide I want to buy?
I have probably on the order of 400 or so DVD's and if everything is gonna come out from now on on BluRay, I'm kinda stuck having to buy another componet for my entertainment center and trying to figure out a way to hook in two differect disc players.

I did disconnect my VCR since I really no longer watch any tapes.
Bandit12, I think you'll be fine. Like alot of us, I now have a nice hd tv, and now that Blu-Ray has won this format war (high def dvd), maybe, someday, when things have gotten less expensive, I'll look at one...

In the meantime, almost all newer dvd players (including the blu-ray) do a good job of "up converting" our standard dvd's. They can look, the standard dvd's, "almost" as good has high def. So you wont need 2 players to play the standard and hi def dvd's, just one.

I have an Oppo 981hd. Not terribly well known, but it does a great job of upconverting standard dvd's, and will certainly keep me satisfied while I wait for cheaper prices on blu-ray players and the blu-ray dvd's themselves.

Regards,

 
HD-DVD players only play HD-DVD's (on any High Def TV).
Blu-Ray players only play Blu-Ray DVD's (on any High Def TV).
My Blu-Ray player plays regular DVD's as well, as I believe most do. HD-DVD players do too, I think??

 
versus Sony's built-in Blu-Ray in the PS3.
AHA! So there is a constructive use for my son's PS3 after all?

Thanks for all the feedback folks, so now I know.

When I eventually take the plunge and go out and buy one of these new fangled video machines I will make sure it's Blueray.

 
HD-DVD players only play HD-DVD's (on any High Def TV).
Blu-Ray players only play Blu-Ray DVD's (on any High Def TV).
My Blu-Ray player plays regular DVD's as well, as I believe most do. HD-DVD players do too, I think??
Yes yer correct Sir... as hard as I try to say something clearly and straight forward, ya can still kinda mis lead unintentionally...

So the corrected version would be:

HD-DVD players only play hi-def HD-DVD's (and all standard def DVD's)

Blu-Ray players only play hi-def Blu-Ray DVD's (and all standard def DVD's)

I was just watching Gladiator on my upconverting Oppo 981... man it's just awesome, very very close to hi def.

One note, any movie you watch, like on a cable channel, and it was made some time ago, before they started using High Def Cameras, is just an "upconvert". Just like you would get with an upconverting DVD player. To be true "High Def", it had to be filmed with one of the newer High Def Cameras the Industry is now moving towards... very slowly by the way.

A great example of this is The Golf Channel. Becuase Hi Def taping is more expensive, they'll use standard def on the Tee box' and Hi Def cameras around the greens. The NewsHour on PBS also has a blend being used on the show, interviews in the studio are all Hi Def, but away, standard def.

Hope that helps a little, Regards,

 
Yup,

Before yesterdays' announcement.. It would of been good to buy up some Sony stock. As I suspect the Blu Ray format will be taking off a lot quicker now. I guess that PS3 will have some better value these days.

WW

 
Thanks for the info! For techo-challenged folks like me, I was wondering if my older DVD's were gonna become obsolete but as long as the BluRay players will play them, I guess I'll just wait a while before I take the plunge to buy one. Besides, I still have an old 32 inch JVC analog tv thats about 10 years old. Before y'all start laughing, its paid for and I have satellite service so I don't have to worry about the upcoming change to digital TV service. Next time this TV goes Tango Uniform, I'll probably replace it with a flat screen hi-def model.

I guess thats just a hold over from my air force days when I worked on jets. In that time our motto was "if it ain't broke, don't fix it and if we can't fix it, it ain't broke, its junk."

Ray

 
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