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MikeYork5

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Well, I know I'm still recovering. Yeah, I know I have made a commitment to 'thin the heard' as it were. Yeah, I know I just sold the 1098 because I didn't know if I would ever be able to ride it (or anything) ever again (not to mention the 1098 was just too much bike for the street as well as my old body). Yeah I know I have the FJR is currently for sale (as is the Harley), yeah I know all that ****. Then damnit along comes THIS ---a BMW superbike? (I've always had a soft spot for beemers - my K75 is NOT for sale) BMW just announced they will be manufacturing a superbike to race on the world SBK circuit, and to generate conquest sales (re: young people/squids to the mark). A BMW superbike, not necessarily over engineered in the true Bavarian fashion, but rather built with their impeccable engineering with off the shelf proven/available parts (regular forks, suspension, chain drive, etc.). Not much info available yet but rumored to have 190 hp and BE PRICED IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT JAP LITRE BIKRS! All this and a BMW to boot! Jesus H. Christ! I'm visiting Irv Seavers (BMW dealersip) next week to plunk a deposit down. Yeah I know I might not be able to ride by next year, but then again maybe I might. Lord help me..........

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You owned a Ducati 1098 and sold it? :dribble:

The BMW may be good, but I doubt will touch the 1098.

 
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You owned a Ducati 1098 and sold it? :dribble:
The BMW may be good, but I doubt will touch the 1098.
1. I don't race

2. I'm busted up

3. BMW engineering + a competitve platform and running gear + 190 hp(?) = (it very well may/a good chance to) run with Ducati's

4. Plus if they meet the projected price point (which I doubt) it would be priced thousands less than a Duc

5. Granted though - it will never have the Duc's (1098/848) lines, Italian sex appeal, and won'took as good dressed in red.

 
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You owned a Ducati 1098 and sold it? :dribble:
The BMW may be good, but I doubt will touch the 1098.
Gunny! Nothing handles like a Ducati! :yahoo:

The Beemer looks awesome, I mean real nice, and I'm sure it's a great bike. It's not much different then the Duc, is it? but going form one to the other is like saying the GSXR is too much but the R1 is A-OK? I don't get that. A sporty bike, is a sporty bike, is a sporty bike. :blink:

BMW like Ducati is NEVER cheap, period. Unless you want a bad ass track bike forget it for the street. I don't care if it's 150hp or 200hp, you don't need it for the street on that type of bike, you just won't use it.... unless you want become a NHTSA statistic....

Ride Safe.

 
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You owned a Ducati 1098 and sold it? :dribble:
The BMW may be good, but I doubt will touch the 1098.
Gunny! Nothing handles like a Ducati! :yahoo:

The Beemer looks awesome, I mean real nice, and I'm sure it's a great bike. It's not much different then the Duc, is it? but going form one to the other is like saying the GSXR is too much but the R1 is A-OK? I don't get that. A sporty bike, is a sporty bike, is a sporty bike. :blink:

BMW like Ducati is NEVER cheap, period. Unless you want a bad ass track bike forget it for the street. I don't care if it's 150hp or 200hp, you don't need it for the street on that type of bike, you just won't use it.... unless you want become a NHTSA statistic....

Ride Safe.
All true.........like I said "Lord help me....." I hate 'the voice' ----I can't even ride and I'm having evil thougths, well maybe a 1098R would not be out of the question, then again there is the DesmoRR....oh the pain!

PLUS...Ya'alls kind of missing the point ..... a BMW SUPERBIKE ----- priced (like I said I doubt this part) on par with the jap litre bikes!

 
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I figure it this way. The price of your average Japanese litre bike is $15,500 Canadian. The BMW F800S is $11,000 if I recall. Now if BMW's baby sport bike is already that expensive, no way will the price of the new superbike be remotely close. If BMW really is going for a fair price, I'd say $20,000 minimum and thats the price for a 1098 Ducati.

I know what you're saying though. Its all speculation until it hits the streets. Its nice to lust for something that doesn't exist yet. :)

 
The pricing comment in the magazine made no sense at all. If they charge $25K for their HP2 Boxer, there's no way they can get the KS1000RR, K46, or whatever the current number is, out the door for something like the price of a GSXR, R1 etc. I figure the FIM ready BMW is going to run closer to $30K than $15K. I sure would like to be wrong.

Nevertheless, I want one too... and I don't have any interest in the Ducati. When they announced, I asked to have my name put on "the list."

Heck, my K1200Rsport and my FJR are both plenty capable of turning me into a NHTSA statistic. If the accident is the rider's fault, that's me, whatever the bike. You can get in over your head with just about anything. If the accident is someone elses fault, well...sometimes that's the luck of the draw.

 
Something else to consider...

While the rumored BMW is rated for 190hp, the current Hayabusa is 197hp, is very reliable and we know the current pricing.

PS - Just as an aside, as much as I love BMWs, good lord I hate their %#$%$$#@'ing signal light layout. Its just plain retarded! Think of it this way. Modern cars (including BMWs) use a single stalk to signal left, right and cancel. Most motorcycles use a single switch to do the same. Why does BMW have to be so bloody stupid with their layout? Its like putting 3 stalks in a car. Dumb dumb dumb.

Sorry. I had to rant. :) Its my endless beef with BMW.

 
Something else to consider...Why does BMW have to be so bloody stupid with their layout? Its like putting 3 stalks in a car. Dumb dumb dumb.
So you (and 'journo' testers) won't look at all their other faults.

It's easy to focus on the asinine (and maybe dangerous?) turn-signal operation and overlook all their over-engineering and under-performing. :eek: :unsure:

 
So you (and 'journo' testers) won't look at all their other faults. It's easy to focus on the asinine (and maybe dangerous?) turn-signal operation and overlook all their over-engineering and under-performing. :eek: :unsure:
I don't think there is much evidence to suggest that the "journo" testers are cutting BMW a yard pass on anything. Generally they don't like them.

Based on the common knowledge largely derived from magazines, I have always thought they were overpriced underperformers, but I was desparate to get out of a Moto Guzzi Norge 1200, and BMW were the only ones that would give me a fair trade on their already highly marked down 07 K1200Rsport. Moto Guzzi is a whole nuther level of over priced under performing. I wrote to one of the bike magazines and thanked them for trashing the K1200Rsport. I think this was a factor in BMW's difficulty getting rid of them. It may be worth noting that the new FIM Superbike from BMW has abandoned most of the BMW characteristic suspension features. Why send a bike for review when the "journo" tester isn't going to bother to learn to ride it before evaluating it?

In any event, what I have learned as a BMW owner is that the parent company is anal retentive about having good customer interface. They really follow up after the sale, both at the dealer level, and from corporate. I had one recall issue, and when I checked on it, the selling dealer had taken care of it as part of the pre-delivery service. I am waiting on parts for my recall stuff from Yamaha as I write this. I had one warranty issue. Instead of making me screw around, bring the bike in, etc., they mailed me a $200 kit and didn't even want me to send in the defective one. As a BMW owner, there is also the anonymous book, which has to be one of the neatest accessories I've ever seen. It lists the anonymous phone numbers, organized by country, state or province, and city, and indicates at what level the folks at that number would be willing to help a stranded rider. Then there is the 3 year warranty. And, of course the 24/7 roadside assistance which they actually make fairly clear and accessible to you.

After Moto Guzzi, this was all a breath of fresh air.

As for BMW, if the bike sucked, none of this would matter.... but every time I look at it, I'm impressed with something else that they did. I am finding the FJR to have similar positive attributes, so right now I am very happy with both bikes. Both companies have done a great job. Both companies are probably at good price points for what they are. The FJR is probably the better value, but if you're at the point where you're not that price conscious, value is in the eye of the beholder.

As for the turn signal arrangement, that's another red herring. It is aggravating for a couple of days, after which it becomes quite easy. I go back and forth between BMW and conventional without any thought about it. FWIW, the BMW turn signals will self cancel, at least on the K1200Rsport.

I like both companies, and if you aren't worried about the cost, BMW, Ducati, MV Agusta, etc. can all be rationalized. Man those "journo" testers sure do get chuffed over Ducati... and yes, I've dealt with them too.... no more Italian stuff is coming to my garage.

 
If that's the bike I think it it, Seavers has one just inside the door and the staff are just drooling over it. While they allow you to sit on any unsold bike, this one has a do-not-touch sign on it.

Hope you're practicing that right hand roll off. It's going to take a lot of discipline to keep a clean license with a beast like that on the street.

:) Jill

 
Something else to consider...Why does BMW have to be so bloody stupid with their layout? Its like putting 3 stalks in a car. Dumb dumb dumb.
So you (and 'journo' testers) won't look at all their other faults.

It's easy to focus on the asinine (and maybe dangerous?) turn-signal operation and overlook all their over-engineering and under-performing. :eek: :unsure:
Hi again. At the moment, I own an 06 FJR and an 07 R6. Both completely different bikes, and I'm likely selling the R6 very soon. If I had the cash to start again, I'd buy two bikes again. :)

The FJR wouldn't be a consideration. I think its a great all-rounder bike but if I had two bikes... one for touring and one for regular use, I'd buy a BMW R1200RT for the touring bike. As much as I hate the controls, its a gorgeous machine that is uber comfy on the road while still providing a bit of sportiness. As for a normal use bike... oh boy thats a tough one. Soooo many good choices out there.

I happened to like BMW motorrads, and think they're really well made. Again, its just the controls are so ******* retarded which floors me since the Germans are so well known for the their efficient designs and layouts.

 
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