Border to Border to Border flawed logic?

[TriggerT]

I was thinking about possibly doing a "Border to Border" or "Coast to Coast" ride at some point in the next year or two, and another rider mentioned doing a "Border to Border to Border," or "Coast to Coast to Coast" ride. that conversation got me thinking about the rules for these rides. Here is my warped thought process.

If I lived right on the border or coast, rode to the opposite end, and then back home in the allowed amount of time, it would qualify for one of the there and back rides. However, since i live in the middle of the country, technically, I have to travel to the start point, go to the other end of the route, and then back to the start, and then make the trip home.

What if I STARTED at my home in the middle of the country, went to the border or coast, to the opposite border or coast, and then back home, all in the allowed amount of time? The miles would be the same, or realistically a little more. Wouldn't this be the equivalent of a "Border to Border to Border" ride, or "Coast to Coast to Coast" ride just more convenient for the start and end point for the rider?

I am not looking to have the IBA change their rules, or anything like that, but I am wondering if my logic is flawed, and if so in what way.

Thoughts please.

 

[TriggerT]

I just re-read the rules for the CCC, and if I understand it correctly, I think my proposed idea is allowed.

FWIW, to do this ride from my home in northern IL and hit both coasts would be about 5900 miles. That means averaging 59 MPH over a total of 100 hours, or just over 4 days. Essentially doing just a little less than 4 BBG's for 4 days in a row.

Hmm...

 

[Warchild]

Yes, it is flawed logic.

Someone tried to argue this exact same argument on the LD Riders list several years ago, and she basically had her ass handed to her.

While starting/finishing in the center of the country might net you the same equivalent mileage, it's the spirit/intent of the ride that is being tossed out when you don't do it as intended.

Just consider the names of the rides..... it doesn't say "Start-Anywhere-Convenient-To-You-And-Then-Ride-Coast-to-Coast-to-Coast", it says "Coast-to-Coast-to-Coast". Ergo, you start on a coast.... left or right coast, your choice, but it has to be a coast. Samey-same for the Borders-to-Borders....

Many a non-LD Rider will think this concept is silly, thinking if the mileage results in the same, what's the diff? Well, there is a difference to the folks who take LD Riding seriously.

 

[Ignacio]

I just re-read the rules for the CCC, and if I understand it correctly, I think my proposed idea is allowed.

I wouldn't assume it...and I wouldn't look for an authoritative opinion on this forum...including from me.

While I can't find anything specific precluding your idea in the ride rules.....there's a warning bell going off in my head.

I'd take it to the IBA Forum, see if it's been answered before, and if not...hope somebody like Ira is monitoring.

 

[Bounce]

Someone tried to argue this exact same argument on the LD Riders list several years ago, and she basically had her ass handed to her.

Yeah. Don't remind me. I was a newbie back then and got suckered into that debate... on the WRONG side of a seriously flawed argument. It still smarts just thinking about it.

On the plus side it couldn't have happened to a more appropriate woman.

 

[Warchild]

Someone tried to argue this exact same argument on the LD Riders list several years ago, and she basically had her ass handed to her.

Yeah. Don't remind me. I was a newbie back then and got suckered into that debate... on the WRONG side of a seriously flawed argument. It still smarts just thinking about it.

On the plus side it couldn't have happened to a more appropriate woman.

Heh.... strongly concur. She brought it upon herself, though....

 

[Bustanut joker]

You mean to tell me Rosie O Donall is a rider? :bad: Hell, I thought she was just Scooters pillion

:blink:

:jester:

 

[k7lvo]

You mean to tell me Rosie O Donall is a rider? :bad: Hell, I thought she was just Scooters pillion :blink:

:jester:

IIRC, there was a resemblance. :lol:

 

[TriggerT]

Well, that's why I asked. I agree with the intent, and "Spirit" of the ride starting and ending on the coasts or borders, but I thought I would ask. I am trying to squeeze an LD ride in this summer, and if I could have done it this way it would have been a lot more feasible.

Looks like I will have to try and plan a Great Lakes Gold, since the route for that literally goes within 2 miles of my house, so I can do that ride and be 100% by the book.

Thanks for the input!

 

[twistedcricket]

I don't agree with the logic Trigger. After reading the landing page (HERE) "Your ride needs to be completely documented (steps outlined below) and cross the United States from coast to coast in 50 hours or less." It's similar on the CCC page.

It's an obviously easier task for someone living at/on/really near the coast versus the middle of the country. The midwestern rider would need to stage gear at each coast, ride to one or the other, complete the ride, rest, and return home. I would think that would be a minimum of a week's time.

If you're planning the CCC, you'd at least know what it would take to cover the trek back home from the CCC starting point. For you, I would guess that you'd ride to Jacksonville, FL, ride to San Diego and then back.

Considering your proximity to Canada, you might consider a lessor-to-some-extent IBA ride in the Border-to-Border. I'd be game for that one... then again, I might be game for the 50CC as well Keep me posted.

 

[jwhite518]

Was that the same person who got into a tiff about a crash that happened on a group ride? She took her football and went home after the reaming she got on that one...

As for your question, Trigger, fugeddaboutit. You got to start on the coast and end on the coast. An enterprising LD Rider might make the entire ride part of a different cert, like maybe a SS5K, or perhaps work in a BBG somewhere along the way.

 

[GunMD]

Are there any IBA rides for visiting the most Starbucks locations yet?

 

[TriggerT]

Are there any IBA rides for visiting the most Starbucks locations yet?

Hell, there is one every single block in downtown Chicago. Who needs the cycle for that?

 

[twistedcricket]

Are there any IBA rides for visiting the most Starbucks locations yet?

Make it like the National Parks tour? Or visit one in each state in a year.

 

[Ignacio]

Are there any IBA rides for visiting the most Starbucks locations yet?

Like this one on the way to WFO? Coincidence it's only 276 miles from the coffee place that stole their name? I think not. The Town of Starbuck TOTALLY should have gotten credit in the Austin Powers movie.

And Microsoft ripped off a name for their popular e-mail program from another town in Eastern Washington of the same name.

It's Dogpile Western Washington Friday!

 

[Fred W]

I'm not an IBA type, more of a CBA guy (Candy Butt Assoc.)

But from a complete layman's perspective, it seems to me that you'd be short one coast. You'd have seen only 2 using your plan, vs. the 3 coasts (or borders) in the ride's name.

Are there any IBA rides for visiting the most Starbucks locations yet?

Make it like the National Parks tour? Or visit one in each state in a year.

Did Kate'sDad ever do his Hot Dog-a-thon?

 

[TriggerT]

True, you would be only seeing each coast once, but you would be crossing the country twice, and the miles would be the same or more.

Sounds like it is a dead issue, and my thought process has already moved on since it sounds like this has been discussed in the past, and the issue was settled.

 

[GunMD]

Sounds like it is a dead issue, and my thought process has already moved on since it sounds like this has been discussed in the past, and the issue was settled.

Good, then I don't feel quite as bad about hijacking this thread with totally unrelated coffee shop talk (which apparently struck a nerve with a certain member of this forum having close personal (and perhaps political) ties to the coffee shop's state of origin).

 

[Ignacio]

(which apparently struck a nerve with a certain member of this forum having close personal (and perhaps political) ties to the coffee shop's state of origin).

Oh, don't even get me started about the feud you've got between your town and another in Calif trying to outdo each other in who's got the most trees. Why 29? And then to just skip to 1,000?