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[ktmgary]

Dear Administrator,

My name is Gary Gibbs, and I am the co-owner of G2 Ergonomics. I have been monitoring your forum since we have developed a throttle that seems to help riders control the new EFI equipped models.

Anyway, in the last few days a member has posted that he thinks he can modify the stock throttle to acheive the same results. We have tried this idea in the dirt world and at best acheive little results, at worst throttle stiction.

I understand a forum's desire to elimiate spam, but I am not comfortable sitting back and letting fellow riders take risk. If there is a way that I can explain the risks and reasons why this will not work in a manner that pleases your forum and doesn't make me look like a bald-faced spammer, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Gary

 

[slapnpop]

Please explain further.

You also said "in the dirt world." How many applications did you try it on, and how long ago? What material was the throttle tube?

The only difference I can see between cutting down the original and replacing it is the material, and aluminum being stronger on the thin section than the ABS.

 

[Ignacio]

It's obvious you're not a spammer because you're not hocking Viagra or something to enlarge my unit. Thank you.

The main purpose of this board is technical exchange first and foremost. That said, there are sometimes folks that want to sell wares and if they're technical contribution vs. selling ratio is way to the positive on contributions we LOVE those folks. Several great examples I think are Skyway and Bike Effects. Contributors and members first I think....and sellers second.

Feel free to post up what you believe is wrong with stock model modification and let the community discuss it. It's about exchange of ideas.

 

[ktmgary]

Please explain further.
You also said "in the dirt world." How many applications did you try it on, and how long ago? What material was the throttle tube?

The only difference I can see between cutting down the original and replacing it is the material, and aluminum being stronger on the thin section than the ABS.

We have tried the mentioned modification to OEM throttles for KX/YZ/RM 2 stroke (these use same throttle) and CRF. In both instances we encoutered the below problem. SInce all other throttles and cable lengths are VERY close in dimension and length, we assume the same situation (but admit we did not evaluate). SInce we did not test this mod on the FJR, I am unsure if the strength of plastic is a concern.

The problem is most people (us included 4 years ago), assume that the cable barrel fits in the pulley, and the cable lies on the pully surface for 1/4 or so of the circumferance. In fact, all throttles we have encountered are designed so that the cable barely touches the pulley surface at the "throttle off "position. Imagine the cable leaving the barrel hole and touching the pulley for a few mm like a "tangent" line. If the surface is milled away, the cable no longer touches the pulley, so for the first bit of throttle rotation, the cable tightens and moves to contact pulley. During this period, the cable does not "pull" and start opening throttle. This gives the rider a sensation of a "dead spot".

After this point of cable contacting pulley, it is possible to duplicate the advantage to our design. However, first it must be determined that there is enough rotation available (after "wasting" rotation due to the modification) so that the carburetion reaches "fully open" before the "ears", or throttle stops incorporated into the stock pulley, contact the inner housing preventing further rotation.

Our design lowers the cable barrel hole to maintain cable contact at the throttle off position. This allows the control without the dead spot.

Stock throttle mod results:

Best case - rider encounters "dead spot" sensation.

Worst case A - Full throttle may not be reached (admittadly not tested)

Worst case B - Modification, combined with poor cable adjustment, may result in cable to sliding off pulley face.

My main intent is to inform readers that it isn't as easy as cutting down their stock throttles. Most importantly, we aren't talking about a 250cc 2 stroke in dirt, but a 1300cc machine on pavement. With out giving away all of our secrets, one has to take into account how much diameter to take away because a little makes a big difference in the performance and added throttle rotation of a 1300cc machine. In the right machinist' hands anything is possible, so for safety concerns, I wanted to make sure these points are considered.

I apologize for being unpithy!

 

[Warchild]

I apologize for being unpithy!

Extra bonus points awarded for the use of the word "unpithy".

Moving thread to its proper forum....

 

[temp357]

Ahem,

While we have you on the forum, welcome on board and while we are at it, how much larger in diameter is the g2 throttle tube as compared to stock? Any issues with using the standard grip over them? Will it fit? I know one of the other forum members was looking at a throttlemeister. Will the throttle lock that normally attaches to the standard throttle tube fit the g2?

thanks,

Ali

P.S. Most vendors on the forum provide forum membrers smoking deals...hint...hint

 

[BentAero]

Further, I use one of these: https://www.brakeawayproducts.com/productinfo.html

Do you see any problem using this throttle lock with your tube?

Oh, BTW, it's customary for vendors who use this forum to provide smokin' deals to the forum members... :yahoo:

 

[ktmgary]

I apologize for being unpithy!

Extra bonus points awarded for the use of the word "unpithy".

Moving thread to its proper forum....

Ahem yourself!

The OD on our tube is .011" larger than stock. Too be honest, I cannot see how that little difference can affect the OEM throttle stop. However, we have sold over 50 throttles to your fellow members. Maybe some of you have some feedback to this question? If not, I'll try to contact some past customers for answers.

Regarding the throttlemeister, we did make some alterarions to our tube end to mate with this device. We haven't tested ourselves, but feedback from customers has been positive. Again, if there is some real world feedback out there, please let us know.

Standard grips? No problem.

As far as good deals, we have been offering this throttle at $59.95 + $4.05 freight. That's a pretty sweet deal for a machined piece like this (Doh! Am I spanning!?).

Thanks for asking!

Further, I use one of these: https://www.brakeawayproducts.com/productinfo.html
Do you see any problem using this throttle lock with your tube?

Oh, BTW, it's customary for vendors who use this forum to provide smokin' deals to the forum members... :yahoo:

Not sure about the Brake Away, but I would guess it would work fine since our tube OD is so close.

We have a "No questions asked" refund policy, so if it doesn't work, we'll take it back or modify it to work - your choice.

 

[Warchild]

As far as good deals, we have been offering this throttle at $59.95 + $4.05 freight. That's a pretty sweet deal for a machined piece like this

Yes, concur with this assessment. It is, quite frankly, a pretty good deal for the machining involved.

(Doh! Am I spanning!?)

Well, technically, no.
You'd be considered spamming if you included the direct link to the G2 Ergo throttle fix for the FJR1300

We have a "No questions asked" refund policy, so if it doesn't work, we'll take it back or modify it to work - your choice.

A very good policy, Gary, one that we like to see in our more valued vendors.

 

[dcarver]

I have a G2. Don't know anyone who works there and have zero, nada, zip interest in their well being. Having said all this, the G2 simply works... Easy to install with instant results. I use a Madco throttle lock with puppies.. it just simply works. The BEST mod for the price for the 06.

 

[650cent]

Does this work on the '05 ? Looked at the web site and didn't see any reference to year. I guess the included cam replaces the stock throttle cam, is this cam located in the cable housing on the handle bars? Sounds like a great accessory instead of messing with the cable adjuster to get just the right amount of slack out.

Bill

 

[tstaff]

I have a G2. Don't know anyone who works there and have zero, nada, zip interest in their well being. Having said all this, the G2 simply works... Easy to install with instant results. I use a Madco throttle lock with puppies.. it just simply works. The BEST mod for the price for the 06.

+1

Got the chance to install my G2 & test it over the weekend, I'm very happy with the results.

I did need to adjust my Throttlemeister, the G2 tube was slightly longer than the stocker.

 

[ktmgary]

Does this work on the '05 ? Looked at the web site and didn't see any reference to year. I guess the included cam replaces the stock throttle cam, is this cam located in the cable housing on the handle bars? Sounds like a great accessory instead of messing with the cable adjuster to get just the right amount of slack out.Bill

According to SLAPNPOP on a previous post on a different thread, the throttle tube on his 03 is identical to the 06, so I would assume our tube will fit your 05, but cannot guarantee the performance results that our obvious on the 06 EFI. However, if you are willing to try (which would help us with our application research), we will refund or modify to your liking.

 

[jcyuhn]

I installed the G2 modified throttle on my '06 over the holidays. I'm quite pleased with the increase in throttle control at small throttle openings. You get exactly as much power as requested, never too much. Never a lurch, no clunky shifts from getting back on the throttle too hard. I took the wife out for a spin to see christmas light displays. The G2 was much appreciated during the low speed work, and all the u-turns. Highly recommended.

I installed a set of Kimpex grip heaters at the same time as the G2. I insulated the metal throttle tube with a layer of duct tape, then added the heating elements. The stock grips reinstalled over all this with no difficulty.

- JimY

 

[grendell]

This sounds good. What all is involved in the install?

Do I hear a group buy coming or should I just go ahead and order it?

Eric

 

[Xbrit]

I have a G2. Don't know anyone who works there and have zero, nada, zip interest in their well being. Having said all this, the G2 simply works... Easy to install with instant results. I use a Madco throttle lock with puppies.. it just simply works. The BEST mod for the price for the 06.

I bought the madco throttle lock as well, the only problem I found was that when wearing winter gloves, the flip switch was too small, have you experienced the same?

 

[HIGHLANDER]

I have a G2. Don't know anyone who works there and have zero, nada, zip interest in their well being. Having said all this, the G2 simply works... Easy to install with instant results. I use a Madco throttle lock with puppies.. it just simply works. The BEST mod for the price for the 06.

I bought the madco throttle lock as well, the only problem I found was that when wearing winter gloves, the flip switch was too small, have you experienced the same?

I have a Madco also, but with winter gloves is a lot harder to flip OFF than on !! :blink:

 

[slapnpop]

Does this work on the '05 ? Looked at the web site and didn't see any reference to year. I guess the included cam replaces the stock throttle cam, is this cam located in the cable housing on the handle bars? Sounds like a great accessory instead of messing with the cable adjuster to get just the right amount of slack out.Bill

The throttle tubes are the same on the '05 and '06 bike, but I fail to see how the G2 tube would make any difference to the slack adjustment. When you change to the G2, you would in fact have to re-adjust the slack anyway to compensate for the change in profile.

 

[dcarver]

I have a G2. Don't know anyone who works there and have zero, nada, zip interest in their well being. Having said all this, the G2 simply works... Easy to install with instant results. I use a Madco throttle lock with puppies.. it just simply works. The BEST mod for the price for the 06.

I bought the madco throttle lock as well, the only problem I found was that when wearing winter gloves, the flip switch was too small, have you experienced the same?

I haven't had that issue. Maybe my winter gloves aren't Winter enough?