changing oil

[C&C]

"I reject your reality and substitute my own," gee I love that line.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

jestal Posted on Mar 7 2006, 02:35 PM<snip>

STP's marketing ... claims of "reducing wear" were supposedly defended on the basis of increased viscosity alone. Their claim was that increased viscosity "automatically" improved the hydrodynamic film thickness and would thus "automatically" decrease wear.

Now, that's good "conventional wisdom" -- what could be wrong with that?

jestal Posted on Mar 7 2006, 02:35 PM<snip>

Do NOT depend on STP to do ....  anything except depleting your wallet.

jestal Posted on Mar 7 2006, 02:35 PM

ZDP is not likely to improve transmission smoothness. It is an anti-wear compound that prevents micro-welding at surface contact points where surface asperities break thru the oil film thickness. It doesn't do anything unless there is actual metal to metal contact and , even then, it doesn't do anything other than prevent wear.

Now here's a "gem" (thank you, jestal). "Surface Asperities" -- that's what makes good machinery better than poor machinery. Ever wonder how they can run race engines right out of the shop? Or why they cost so much? It's attention to and eliminating (as much as possible) surface asperities. Better build quality, better materials selection, better machining -- these all go toward eliminating surface asperities; reducing the necessity of "heroic" lubrication needs; and, are usually reflected in price.

 

[Toecutter]

So, how 'bout one gallon of your favorite oil and 8 ounces of GM supplement at each oil change? Sounds like a winner to me.

 

[leebunyard]

>>Please, for the love of Mike, end this now<<

Agree. This subject repeats every few months and has become tiresome. My final time being drawn into the oil discussion.

For the record, the label on STP says it contains a zinc additive, for what it's worth.

I'm a believer in the old saying about "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". My son and I KNOW that our bikes shift much smoother with the Rotella synthetic plus STP mix, so we will continue using it. Everyone should do what they're comfortable with. End of story for me.

Lee in the Mountains of Northern California

 

[Toecutter]

>>Please, for the love of Mike, end this now<<
Agree.  This subject repeats every few months and has become tiresome. 

Which is why it is where it is. Membership grows between each recurrence so the info isn't going to waste.

My final time being drawn into the oil discussion.

And that's the beauty of this forum. Nobody's forced to read or respond to the comments herein, unless they have an addiction, which isn't our problem either.

 

[blueman]

Has any one considered standing two FJR's together, one with the Rotella and STP mix, and one with lets saw yamalube 20-40. The manual recommends yamalube 20-40. Then have several riders test the results. Compare notes ect.

 

[Feejer/Weejer man]

Lets see,most of us have done this with the yamalube then with synthetics of one brand or another. Its relative to who is doing the evaluating. STP with the Rotella 5/40 probably makes about the same viscosity as Mobil 1 15/50, except for the claims of the STP. Just a guess.

 

[Scab]

About the book recommending 20-40 - I think I saw somewhere that the European book recommended 10-40. I could be totally smokin' a fat one on this, but does anyone know?

Where is our European friend? What's your book recommend?

 

[fjrchooser]

And that's the beauty of this forum. Nobody's forced to read or respond to the comments herein, unless they have an addiction, which isn't our problem either. :blink:
BBBbut, yyyyour all enablers ! :dribble:

 

[odot]

I just want to post up here to keep this thread alive........(in simpson's voice).."ha..ha".

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

fjrchooser Posted on Mar 13 2006, 08:51 PM<snip>

BBBbut, yyyyour all enablers !

odot Posted on Mar 15 2006, 08:35 AM

I just want to post up here to keep this thread alive........

g'damn the pusher-man

The first post is free.....

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

On the subject of oil:

It's been reported (I think on this board?) that Yamalube 20/40 is bottled for Cypress by CITGO. CITGO is wholly owned by PDVSA the Venezuelan oil company and dictator Hugo Chavez (no friend to the U.S.).

Just something to think about....

But then, we on this board aren't that opposed to some dictators.....

 

[FJRScorpion]

@ charismaticmegafauna

I've been personally trying to avoid purchasing Citgo products because of the affiliation with the Venezuelan oil company and dictator Hugo Chavez. I didn't know they made the Yamalube product. I'll need to find some comparable Dino oil, at least until my bike is broke in. Thanks

 

[C&C]

+1 on the Citgo comment; don't use them guys anymore.

 

[norcal]

Hugo Chavez is a democraticly elected leader. Haven't seen a CITGO in California.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

I just went from Salinas to Monterey on CA68 and there's a Citgo about mid-way on the RH side. If there's one -- there's probably more? :blink:

 

[Calabash]

So, how 'bout one gallon of your favorite oil and 8 ounces of GM supplement at each oil change? Sounds like a winner to me.

That was my thinking too.

 

[Toecutter]

So, how 'bout one gallon of your favorite oil and 8 ounces of GM supplement at each oil change? Sounds like a winner to me.

That was my thinking too.

That's what I did at my last oil change, and I ordered five pints (enough for ten oil changes) of GM EOS online last night for $31.75 shipped. Part # 1052367 Linkage

 

[Calabash]

So, how 'bout one gallon of your favorite oil and 8 ounces of GM supplement at each oil change? Sounds like a winner to me.

That was my thinking too.

That's what I did at my last oil change, and I ordered five pints (enough for ten oil changes) of GM EOS online last night for $31.75 shipped. Part # 1052367 Linkage

toecutter, Thanks for the link, GREAT price. I paid twice that for a pint at the local chevy dealership.