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"Eternal Rest Grant Them, O Lord... Let Your Light Shine Upon Them... May They Rest In Peace" God Please Bless These Brave Souls, and All Our FireFighters, Law Enforcement, and Troops!!!

 
the greatest tragedy will be the finger pointing to deflect blame when the investigsations by OSHA and others reveal failures in the system that led to this loss of life...

family men will be dead, children will have one less parent, and some insurers will withhold payments until the elusive 'true' cause is determined...

dana

palm beach county f/r

20 year firefighter (ret.)

 
Someone with Comcast wanna save it and email it to me so I can post it for those without Comcast to view?

 
I cannot view this topic. In any case, my condolences to all of family, friends, brothers & sisters of these fallen heroes. This is a truly horrific tragedy. I, firsthand know how the survivors are feeling.

These wishes are from a person who lost a brother while firefighting in the same manner as these folks lost their lives, godspeed to those brave souls.

& May your souls rest in peace.

Heidi

 
Supposedly the link is encrypted. I'm no dummy but not the sharpest tack in the box either when it comes to files and links. I have been able to save the file and can forward to an email address, so if you would like to see it, PM me with your email address and I will forward. (Unless someone knows how to host the file elsewhere) Again, sorry for my boondoogle.

Thanks, Chuck

 
I sent you a PM. Send it to me via email and I'll put it on my website for the rest of the Forum to see.

 
Here is a link that you don't need Comcast for.....

However, I attempted to open it with my PowerPoint 97 and it won't open it. I can open it on my wife's computer with PowerPoint 2003. I tried to save it as a previous version, but the author has it locked so I can't. Pretty touching though if you can see it.

Without further ado: Charleston Tribute (4MB)

 
the greatest tragedy will be the finger pointing to deflect blame when the investigations by OSHA and others reveal failures in the system that led to this loss of life...
Thankfully, the investigations are usually concluded so long after the event that it doesn't have the same media splash.

These days, the big paradigm shift is that no firefighter should ever die in the line of duty, there's always a preventable cause for every LOD fatality. I partially disagree. Many are due to stuff that should not have happened, but not all.

Why not just take the red lights off our apparatus so we can never speed or get in accidents on our way to an incident, then when we get there we very carefully and methodically act in a safe and well-planned manner, while victims perish and property loss escalates.

By this line of reasoning, no firefighters should have died on 9-11, while nearly 3000 innocent victims gave their all. In my line of thinking, ten percent rescuer loss is acceptable. I should never become a crew leader with reasoning like that, but if somebody has to die in a house fire, and I'm there in time to try to change the outcome, at least they'll have some company in those last moments, and I signed on for that possibility. It's my job to take calculated risks, and hopefully they pay off with appropriate rewards. When they don't, we're called heroes. I can live (or die) with that.

Public servants are expendable. **** happens. When your child is the one choking and turning blue, God forbid, you'll appreciate the fact that I exceeded the speed limit on my way to your house, and risked turning an ankle by running from the engine to your loved one.

When the **** hits the fan, or a brain is not getting oxygen, every second matters.

 
Here's one that probably won't make the evening news:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Fire Sprinklers - A Huge Success Story

As the nation recovers from the disaster that recently occurred in

Charleston South Carolina where nine firefighters lost their lives in a

furniture store fire, it is interesting to note that at a similar fire

occurred in Ormond Beach yesterday with a dramatically different

outcome.

The Wednesday night fire at Modernage Furniture demonstrates the

effectiveness of automatic fire sprinklers in providing life safety and

property protection. According to Ormond Beach Fire Chief Barry Baker

"not to discount the need for proper firefighter training and staffing,

fire sprinklers are your best friend in controlling fires. They are

efficient, effective and essential to protecting lives and property."

Firefighters were dispatched to the Modernage Furniture store at 445

South Yonge Street in Ormond Beach at approximately 7:30 p.m. Wednesday

night Upon arrival firefighters found a small fire within the showroom

being held in check with the buildings automatic fire sprinkler system.

The fire was caused by discarded smoking material according to the state

fire marshal investigator. The damage was limited to a small area of

approximately 10 X 10 resulting in approximately $8,000 dollars in

damage. Three sprinkler heads activated.

This is a great sprinkler success story states Mike Garrett Building

Official/ Fire Marshal for Ormond Beach. "The buildings sprinkler

system did its job. There were no fatalities, no injuries, and a very

small amount of property damage. With some minor clean up the business

will be back up and running in a day or so. This is a great example of

how sprinklers help with business continuity."

According to the National Fire Protection Association:

Properly installed and maintained automatic fire sprinkler systems help

save lives. Because fire sprinkler systems react so quickly, they can

dramatically reduce the heat, flames and smoke produced in a fire. Fire

sprinklers have been around for more than a century, protecting

commercial and industrial properties and public buildings, such as

hotels and hospitals and high-rises.

When sprinklers are present, the chances of dying in a fire are reduced

by 50-75% and the average property loss per fire is cut by 50-66%,

compared to fires where sprinklers are not present

NFPA has no record of a fire killing more than two people in a

completely sprinklered public assembly, educational, institutional or

residential building where the system was working properly.

Sprinklers are highly reliable. When present in the fire area, they

operate in all but 7% of fires large enough to activate the system.

Human error was a factor in almost all of the failures. The system was

shut-off in almost two-thirds of the failures.

This fire incident clearly demonstrates the effectiveness and value of

built-in fire protection. Quite often building and fire officials are

asked; Why does my building need sprinklers? Or told; our building

budget does not include funding for fire sprinklers. While most

building and fire codes require sprinkling of larger commercial

buildings, fire and building officials still get resistance from

builders and developers who only view the short term and tend to ignore

fire safety. In reality most fire sprinkler systems cost about as much

as carpeting and with proper insurance credits can pay for itself in 7

to 10 years.

Barry Baker, Ormond Beach Fire Chief
 
Toe

Right up the road from me. That was a good stop they made and sprinklers were the key. As an aside, I was at that same address in '78 as a rookie when the original building burned to the ground. We were on the roof to vent,roof was to soft and we bailed out. It self vented 5 minutes later and came down soon after. Rebuilt to code with sprinklers. We've come a long way but still no requirements to retrofit older buildings.

 
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the greatest tragedy will be the finger pointing to deflect blame when the investigsations by OSHA and others reveal failures in the system that led to this loss of life...
as predicted:

Pressure on Chief Thomas to Resign Continues

Following the release last week of the Occupational Safety and Health Adminstration report on the June 18 Charleston Super Sofa Store fire that killed nine fire fighters, the pressure on Fire Chief Rusty Thomas to step down continues to intensify.

In a September 22 interview with LinkCharleston.com Editor John Strubel, former fire fighter Jay Lowry called on Thomas to resign and discussed the ongoing investigative findings related to command, equipment, training and safety procedures.

And, on September 24, a Charleston fire fighter appeared on WCIV-TV to discuss the unsafe manner in which the Charleston Fire Department is run. He appeared with his voice changed to protect his identity.

Meanwhile, Jim Bowie, the executive director of the South Carolina Fire Fighters Association who fought to make South Carolina the only state to follow 2-in/1-out -- and who co-chairs "First Responders for Giuliani" -- was forced to resign. Additionally, he will no longer chair the committee in charge of the wellness of the families of the Charleston Nine. Charleston Mayor Riley appointed him to serve in that role.

According to The Palmetto Scoop, the South Carolina Fire Fighters Association may soon be the subject of an Internal Revenue Service investigation into alleged use of tax-exempt "charitable donations" under its nonprofit status and other resources to aid Giuliani's White House bid -- a violation of U.S. tax code.

This is not the first time that Bowie has come under fire for allegedly crooked activities. FITSNews reported last week that Bowie “was indicted 15 years ago by a Lexington County, South Carolina, grand jury for ‘breach of trust’ related to financial irregularities at the State Fire Academy.”

Read more...

 
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