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A buddy of mine who is very involved in national motorcycle safety discussions asked me to draw up a table for him comparing my observations about the six training courses I've taken. Here's what I sent him based on my experience and observations....

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Excellent JB!

Just for clarification there is the MSF ERC or CRC (Experienced or Confident RiderCourse), which is basically day 2 of the BRC (Beginner RiderCourse) on your own bike which it sounds like you are describing. There is also the MSF ARC (or ART here in AZ) which is the Advanced Riding Techniques course which goes above what you describe. It is a fun, and relatively cheap course that I would recommend, but is not near as good as the Total Control class.

I am glad to see you liked the Lee Parks Total Control class so much. It made a HUGE difference in my riding after taking it in 2007. I am currently working on becoming a certified instructor for the Total Control class I believe in it so much. However I have not taken any of the other advanced classes as of yet so can not personally compare.

Thanks again for an excellent comparison.

 
What about Jason Pridmore's Advanced Riding School? Has anyone taken one? Not a lot of Internet reviews but in general positive reviews. I plan to take one coming up soon in two weeks or possibly near future.

 
That's interesting about Reg's class, I'd have thought it would be rated better than that.

I can fully endorse Keith Code's classes at California Superbike School. I've taken the Level I class and corner worked for two other days. He's an arrogant egotistical guy but one heck of an instructor and runs a very good class and knows his stuff. My individual on track instructors impressed me in so many ways. Their coaching when they pull you off the track as well as their ability to gauge your comfort speed on the track was amazing. My instructor took me through a lap at my pace and showed me lines, then gave me the thumbs up, and grabbed his other student who was much faster on his R1 and they took off and he was showing him stuff at his pace.

Classroom information was great and Keith has a good program for removing unnecessary distractions and letting you focus in on what you are learning. While it is a track class, I use a lot of what I learned when riding the twisties because it all applies on the street as well.

 
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I definitely learned a lot in the MSF basic class. I took in on a Naval Air Station as a requirement to get on station. Went in thinking I knew it all, came out pleasantly surprised at how much I learned. Put in practice many of the techniques and still use them to the day. One saved my life.

I took the MSF Advanced Class. Didn't get anything new out of it, at all. Was a re-hash of all the basic class techniques. Although I did get good info out of the book.

Lee Parks was very good. Definitely polished my riding and made me more aware of what I was doing and how it affected the bike. Nice comparison chart.

 
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That's interesting about Reg's class, I'd have thought it would be rated better than that.
I can fully endorse Keith Code's classes at California Superbike School. I've taken the Level I class and corner worked for two other days. He's an arrogant egotistical guy but one heck of an instructor and runs a very good class and knows his stuff. My individual on track instructors impressed me in so many ways. Their coaching when they pull you off the track as well as their ability to gauge your comfort speed on the track was amazing. My instructor took me through a lap at my pace and showed me lines, then gave me the thumbs up, and grabbed his other student who was much faster on his R1 and they took off and he was showing him stuff at his pace.

Classroom information was great and Keith has a good program for removing unnecessary distractions and letting you focus in on what you are learning. While it is a track class, I use a lot of what I learned when riding the twisties because it all applies on the street as well.
I concur. I've taken Keith Code's Levels 1 through 3 which improved my cornering and confidence (but not overly so!) with each subsequent level. Highly recommend his courses. Regarding Lee Parks, I've practiced his methods, learned much from his techniques and finally got a knee down with his "figure 8" routine. I agree with Skooter & JB, for technical training, I don't think you can do better than Lee Parks. My take is, that if you're going to invest in training, first do a MSF course, then Lee Parks, then a track school where learning happens at a much faster pace which can be difficult to put it all together if you don't have the basics down first. Good reviews JB!

 
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I'll echo the Lee Parks sentiments. But I'll add that Level 2 while not teaching you much new, is a further refinement of what you learn in level 1. Unfortunately, the time you get to review/practice and 'master' Level 1 techniques in Level 2 isn't anywhere near enough. This despite me practicing a lot on my little 2-fitty (MUCH easier to trail brake/modulate the throttle on that bike). The bigger take-away for me in Level 2 was the panic braking.

Nobody teaches that because of the inherent risk involved. You never see any videos or instruction on this vitally important facet. Nobody ever told me that you should move your ass back and get as low as possible on the bars (moving you, and the bikes center of gravity - especially important on a sport/dual purpose bike). That one lesson REALLY opened my eyes to just how hard a bike will stop. Think retina detaching hard stops. Unfortunately, one of the guys on an old GS500 had his front end wash out during the drill. Total rider error (He started his turn while the binders were in full panic mode), but that's why were there.

Spend the money on Lee Parks before you spend money improving the performance of the bike, unless your in the top 1%, the bikes performance isn't the issue. It's you. A much bigger bang for the buck!

 
Excellent JB!
Just for clarification there is the MSF ERC or CRC (Experienced or Confident RiderCourse), which is basically day 2 of the BRC (Beginner RiderCourse) on your own bike which it sounds like you are describing. There is also the MSF ARC (or ART here in AZ) which is the Advanced Riding Techniques course which goes above what you describe. It is a fun, and relatively cheap course that I would recommend, but is not near as good as the Total Control class.

I am glad to see you liked the Lee Parks Total Control class so much. It made a HUGE difference in my riding after taking it in 2007. I am currently working on becoming a certified instructor for the Total Control class I believe in it so much. However I have not taken any of the other advanced classes as of yet so can not personally compare.

Thanks again for an excellent comparison.
Thank you, Skooter. I didn't mean to disparage the advanced MSF courses. I just don't remember that much about the ones I took. In fact, with the first one I took, the guy leading it said he was kind of test-running what was a new-ish program; we were the first class. But as a rule I would encourage any rider who'd taken the first MSF course to go ahead and take advanced ones from MSF. That's cool you're getting certified for the Lee Parks course. I'm a big fan, as you saw.

 
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That's interesting about Reg's class, I'd have thought it would be rated better than that.
I can fully endorse Keith Code's classes at California Superbike School. I've taken the Level I class and corner worked for two other days. He's an arrogant egotistical guy but one heck of an instructor and runs a very good class and knows his stuff. My individual on track instructors impressed me in so many ways. Their coaching when they pull you off the track as well as their ability to gauge your comfort speed on the track was amazing. My instructor took me through a lap at my pace and showed me lines, then gave me the thumbs up, and grabbed his other student who was much faster on his R1 and they took off and he was showing him stuff at his pace.

Classroom information was great and Keith has a good program for removing unnecessary distractions and letting you focus in on what you are learning. While it is a track class, I use a lot of what I learned when riding the twisties because it all applies on the street as well.
When I find a spare $600 lying around the house, Code is my next course.

 
Thanks guys for posting up and reminding me........ I am planning to book a Lee Parks course this year after procrastinating the last two...... got some local ones, and Lee himself is coming to one of them.

 
Thanks everyone for the very informative comments but I am wondering what benefit I would get from any one of these classes. I did take the MSF class in 1987 or 88 and while I thought it was an excellent class, I didn't learn anything new.....but I had already ridden over 100K miles and read dozens of safety and riding technique articles in the six motorcycle magazines that arrived in my mailbox every month.

Fast forward 25 years and I have ridden another 325K with only one mishap that was caused by anti-freeze on a curve that was not visible. My close calls have all involved animals, primarily deer, and I know I should practice emergency braking more than I do (which is very seldom). Nevertheless, every time I have had to use emergency braking, I have stayed upright, stopped quickly, and have never had the ABS kick in (I've ridden ABS bikes 145K miles). I don't have any interest in parking lot trick riding or track days and don't mind catching up with the fast riders at the next stop. Most of my riding is at a 6/10s pace and I consider myself a touring rider.

Can old dogs learn new tricks......and should they try?

 
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When I find a spare $600 lying around the house, Code is my next course.
Knock $100-$200 off that and you are closer to what the course costs...depending on location. I just checked. Of course, if you want to rent one of his bikes then you are spot on. However, I'd suggest doing it on your own bike. First, you are less likely to crash on the track. This is especially true if you are doing as you are told and focusing on the lesson and the tasks that have been given to you. Of course, if you are stupid you will not pay attention and ride right off the side of the straight like a guy did in front of me on the school bike. He had to pull out his credit card to pay for damages. Ouch.

However, one of the huge benefits you get from doing something like this is confidence in YOUR bike. Learning that your bike is much more capable than you thought. If you go home from a day riding track bikes and hop on your bike, you've improved your skills, but in the back of your head you are thinking "I did that on a prepped track bike, not my heavy FJR!" It's a huge benefit when you get into a corner on the street and get that nervous feeling in the back of your head, and you can override it and say "Me and this bike have been through turns tighter and hotter than this one" and override that fear factor and roll on and lean in rather than panic braking and running off the road.

Plus, it saves you $200 off the cost.
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I don't have any interest in parking lot trick riding or track days and don't mind catching up with the fast riders at the next stop. Most of my riding is at a 6/10s pace and I consider myself a touring rider.
Can old dogs learn new tricks......and should they try?
1. Read some of what I said above. Track days are more than just racing. It's an opportunity to work on your skills in an enclosed course with known conditions. You just did this turn less than 2 minutes ago...nobody with a tractor has pulled out dragging gravel through it so you know you can go a little faster than last time and work on your technique and focus on the fundamentals. Then, when you are out on the street, you've practiced said fundamentals enough that they are automatic and you can focus on that gravel in the road. It's kind of like when you first learned to ride...there's so much going on. Two brakes, clutch, shifting, leaning wind, gotta put your feet down. You spent a lot of time focusing on those things when you started riding and not so much on the actual riding. This is why noobs crash a lot. After a while, you got to where your brain spends zero time thinking about doing that stuff and you just shift automatically while paying better attention to what's going on around you. Same thing applies with track time and classes, focus on the fundamentals and they'll become automatic too and make you a better rider.

2. Track days are freaking fun! You may not be interested, but give it a try for what I said above, and likely you'll be looking for when you can sign up for your next track day. By your third one you'll be perusing cycletrader for a used SV650.
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In my life, there's not much else that I've done that is nearly as much fun. Also, specifically for that first track day with a class, I don't think I've ever learned as much about a single subject in one day as I did with that.

 
When I find a spare $600 lying around the house, Code is my next course.
Knock $100-$200 off that and you are closer to what the course costs...
When I looked into it I thought I'd rent his bike since I'd rather not crash mine. But what I really don't get is that you have to put $1,000 deposit down, and if you crash his bike you lose the $1K. Doesn't this guy have insurance that's covered as part of the bike rental? That doesn't make sense to me. (I do like the idea of using my own bike; especially since I'm too tall for most sport bikes.)

 
Good info. So far my training has consisted of "ride 47 years without getting injured." Not recommended, of course, as part of my success is knowing "when to fold 'em" (aka "I'm going to crash - do it right"). Seems like I need to travel a bit to get to the classes you recommend.

 
When I looked into it I thought I'd rent his bike since I'd rather not crash mine. But what I really don't get is that you have to put $1,000 deposit down, and if you crash his bike you lose the $1K. Doesn't this guy have insurance that's covered as part of the bike rental? That doesn't make sense to me. (I do like the idea of using my own bike; especially since I'm too tall for most sport bikes.)
Quite likely he does, with a $1K deductible. Therefore you the rider are responsible for that. They have tons of parts on the truck so if you just go down and bang and bend things up they can have the mechanic fix it for the next session, but you pay for those parts.

Like I said, unless you are a moron, you are far more likely to crash your bike on the street than at his school. Of course, there are the other morons to worry about, but I've seen very few crashes at his school. I worked with the mechanic all day at one class and we only had that one bike to fix.

 
Too bad you didn't like Pridmore's Class. I had taken his 2 times at Sears Point and enjoyed his instruction but it may be he is burning out. The key thing to do is grab an instructor for one on one instruction in the afternoon when they seem a bit bored. I actually took a few laps on the back of Reg's VFR, man is he smooth.

At his second class he was stressing when on the street to stay away from the double yellow line in corners, too many people on bikes get killed when close to the double yellow from cages over the center line.

First rule on the track is DO NOT CRASH, and you won't if you don't do stupid squid stuff. If you do a track day ride your own bike. I have ridden my FJR, FZ6,FZ1 and Katoom on the track.I use the track to improve my skills not to be Rossi, ok may a little like him. It's about learning what YOUR bike can do that could save your butt on the street.

Doing a track day school is best for your first time on the track. Much more structured than a track day by the local racing club and it will help to help keep you and other newbies safe out there.

Track days are sooooo fun!

 
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Too bad you didn't like Pridmore's Class. I had taken his 2 times at Sears Point and enjoyed his instruction but it may be he is burning out. The key thing to do is grab an instructor for one on one instruction in the afternoon when they seem a bit bored. I actually took a few laps on the back of Reg's VFR, man is he smooth.At his second class he was stressing when on the street to stay away from the double yellow line in corners, too many people on bikes get killed when close to the double yellow from cages over the center line.

First rule on the track is DO NOT CRASH, and you won't if you don't do stupid squid stuff. If you do a track day ride your own bike. I have ridden my FJR, FZ6,FZ1 and Katoom on the track.I use the track to improve my skills not to be Rossi, ok may a little like him. It's about learning what YOUR bike can do that could save your butt on the street.

Doing a track day school is best for your first time on the track. Much more structured than a track day by the local racing club and it will help to help keep you and other newbies safe out there.

Track days are sooooo fun!
Good tips and advice, Bug. Hey, I was at Reno Fernley recently for a concert and thought THAT would be a great track to do a track day....

 
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