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Google maps does everything you want, but I have never been able to save the entire trip as a file. Anybody had any success at storing and retrieving your extensively plotted course?
It wasn't immediately obvious to me how to "save" a google map for later retrieval, but here's one way that works.

Toward the upper right edge of the map proper is a "Send" icon. This allows you to send your route as a URL in an email message. Later, you can retrieve this exact routing by clicking on the URL in the message you sent to yourself. Seems clunky, but it does gives you a permanent record of your route and you can share it with your friends.

Now, if only someone clever would come up with a way to convert the routing information embedded in that URL to a file format that one's GPS could understand... :rolleyes:
Yeah, I tried that. What I got was a URL about 17 lines long and googlemaps couldn't recreate it when I asked for it. I think they have a size issue. I should mention this has happened with 3 different long routes.

 
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I've discovered the power of printing/transferring road maps to others who want to join.
As such, I have been attempting to create a number of "Loops" I ride, on various software programs and have discovered that most programs are designed for only Point A to Point B trips. Programs such as Garmin Maps, Mapquest, Live Maps and several others, though allow me to create various Waypoints and even driving directions to that way point, do not connect ALL way points into a single save-able round-robin trip. Also too, if there are specific roads/detours I'd like to take I'm unable to make the software program plot those roads.

In addition to the Round Robin ability I'd like to be able to Snap-To-Grid various roads between each Waypoint. this would allow me to take those detours that so many of us long for.

Anybody here know of such a program? Can the Garmin Zumo 550 do this?

Thanks for your insights.
Hi Sport

I think this is what you are looking for.Try this link to zumoforum for a very easy way. Check out the how to video on the link at the bottom of the page.

I just got my Zumo 550 and I don't know how to do this yet, but I have found the zumoforum very helpful.

Thanks Art

 
Didn't understand that at all from your question, sorry. You want to grab the route line and drop it somewhere, creating a new waypoint in the process. That would be cool.
Now that you mention it, I'd like that, too. I basically just have to add a bunch of via points into the turn list to get that effect.

Downloaded a copy of MS Streets & Trips. This is the Cat's Meow! It allows you to 'Snap to Grid' between way points by 1) left clicking on the original path of travel (should be a blue line). 2) When it turns green, left click again on the (now green) line and drag it to a road you want to take. It will automatically create a new waypoint and re-route to where you would like. It may take several additional Waypoints to take the exact roads you want, but it will do it in a snap...no punn intended. :yahoo:

Thanks for the help in determining what program to conider.

Now I need to figure out how to send it to a Garmin C-330...if possible? :blink:

 
I've discovered the power of printing/transferring road maps to others who want to join.
As such, I have been attempting to create a number of "Loops" I ride, on various software programs and have discovered that most programs are designed for only Point A to Point B trips. Programs such as Garmin Maps, Mapquest, Live Maps and several others, though allow me to create various Waypoints and even driving directions to that way point, do not connect ALL way points into a single save-able round-robin trip. Also too, if there are specific roads/detours I'd like to take I'm unable to make the software program plot those roads.

In addition to the Round Robin ability I'd like to be able to Snap-To-Grid various roads between each Waypoint. this would allow me to take those detours that so many of us long for.

Anybody here know of such a program? Can the Garmin Zumo 550 do this?

Thanks for your insights.
Hi Sport

I think this is what you are looking for.Try this link to zumoforum for a very easy way. Check out the how to video on the link at the bottom of the page.

I just got my Zumo 550 and I don't know how to do this yet, but I have found the zumoforum very helpful.

Thanks Art

Art,

Unfortunately, I am unable to aquisition the funds to purchase a Zumo 550...yet. Until then, I'm gonna work with Streets &Trips 2008. Thanks for the link as I will be checking it out to see if it would be considered an 'all-inclusive package'.

Sport

 
I've discovered the power of printing/transferring road maps to others who want to join.
As such, I have been attempting to create a number of "Loops" I ride, on various software programs and have discovered that most programs are designed for only Point A to Point B trips. Programs such as Garmin Maps, Mapquest, Live Maps and several others, though allow me to create various Waypoints and even driving directions to that way point, do not connect ALL way points into a single save-able round-robin trip. Also too, if there are specific roads/detours I'd like to take I'm unable to make the software program plot those roads.

In addition to the Round Robin ability I'd like to be able to Snap-To-Grid various roads between each Waypoint. this would allow me to take those detours that so many of us long for.

Anybody here know of such a program? Can the Garmin Zumo 550 do this?

Thanks for your insights.
Hi Sport

I think this is what you are looking for.Try this link to zumoforum for a very easy way. Check out the how to video on the link at the bottom of the page.

I just got my Zumo 550 and I don't know how to do this yet, but I have found the zumoforum very helpful.

Thanks Art

Art,

Unfortunately, I am unable to aquisition the funds to purchase a Zumo 550...yet. Until then, I'm gonna work with Streets &Trips 2008. Thanks for the link as I will be checking it out to see if it would be considered an 'all-inclusive package'.

Sport
The MapSource program comes w/zumo and some other Garmins. I assumed you already had it, sorry.

I found a great price on Zumo 550 at GPS Discount , and it is new not reman.

Art

 
The MapSource program comes w/zumo and some other Garmins. I assumed you already had it, sorry.
I found a great price on Zumo 550 at GPS Discount , and it is new not reman.

Art

Thanks. I bought my Garmin C330 from Circuit City with a 4 year warranty which also included upgrading at anytime within that 4 year period. As such, I can currently upgrade my C-330 for the Zumo 550 and they will deduct the origianl purchase price ($350) off of the Zumo 550. Currently it would cost me an additional $450 to do so. I plan on waiting another year or so, so that the Zumo prices can drop a bit more.

Just purchsed a Shoei helmet. Will be purchasing a new Summer jacket and a rain suit in the next couple of months.

Guess I need to coach a few MSF classes this summer to pay for my toys. :rolleyes:

 
I found a friend with Streets and Trips 2008, installed it on my laptop as a trial version (not activated) and have had a chance to play with it for a while. For anybody else looking for PC software over and above the Garmin package, I hope you find my explorations useful. From here on, SA=Street Atlas, S&T=Streets and Trips. Should be easy to figure out, but just to be clear (since you're all morons, right?)

Of course, I'm comparing it to the DeLorme Street Atlas I've been using for 5 or 6 years (currently SA 2008), so although I'm really making an effort to be open-minded, there's just things I don't like about it, although a couple I do like.

I really like the ability in S&T to drag the route to a new waypoint. That's cool, and faster than SA's process of adding a "via" into the route. Conceptually, there's really not much difference, but it's a nice difference in execution.

Both programs have settings for road preferences, and fuel mileage and cost, and while SA has more road types (as opposed to S&T's very general Interstates, other, arterial, toll), S&T has more levels of preference (as opposed to DeLorme's preferred/normal/avoid.) OTOH, I'm not sure what a scale means with only 4 (effectively 2) choices. Both let you adjust your speed habits, as well. SA by specifying an average MPH on each road type, S&T by setting "slower, average, faster." I'm not sure what that means, though: is it a comparison to average traffic?

I absolutley despise S&T's use of screen real estate. With a route planner and driving directions up, the actual map is less than a quarter of the screen. God help you if you then turn on GPS driving assistance. (BTW, if you do, the directions panel goes away, but if you bring it back, the map is suddenly VERY small!) Granted, you can drag the boundaries around, but. . . . SA's screen is always the map, with a tabbed panel at the bottom that changes according to the selected tab (Route, Find, GPS, etc.) No pop-ups, no always-on-top windows, no extra panels coming and going, no re-sizing of the map window.

Screen navigation is different between the two. If you drag the mouse in SA, you are drawing a zoom box; it zooms to the area you outlined. In S&T, dragging moves the map. To move the map in SA, you start from an edge so the pointer changes to a hand, or drag the outline in the larger-scale reference map at the bottom-right corner.

Zooming is WAY better in Street Atlas. I can't zoom the way I want to in S&T without actually grabbing the slider at the top of the screen, and it's still too sensitive. SA zooms with the navigator at the top right, with two different scales of change, or like I said before, just drawing a box on the screen.

SA does not have route optimization (best route through a dart board of random waypoints, like Iggy's county seat route in his post above) or route-from-here. I've never needed route-from-here; I suppose I would just drop a via into my route at my current location, and in the right location in the sequence of vias and calculate the route, but I'm usually retty good at knowing how to get back to my route if I have to deviate for something. Optimization is pretty cool when you have a list of known stops. In SA, you have to sort them yourself.

SA has no "perspective view" of the map while tracking with GPS, strictly overhead, but both programs let you choose North up or driving direction up.

SA has better support for non-Delorme mapping systems, and for mobile devices. The mobile version comes with the PC version, and runs on Palm or PocketPC/Windows Mobile. The PC can export maps and routes to the mobile version, which can be stored in main memory or a memory card (I just put the memory card in my laptop's card slot and copy in Windows, but it will also "install" the file through the device's sync process), and the mobile can connect to a GPS receiver for route tracking. It will speak directions as well (but not over Bluetooth, apparently), although it's not text-to-speech, it's prerecorded commands. Where the PC would say something like "Turn right onto highway 231 in 4000 feet," the mobile would say "Turn right in less than one mile." You can even route on the mobile device, although it takes relatively forever, and you can't use waypoints, just a start and end. SA will also export routes (but not maps) to Garmin's format directly from the PC. It WILL send maps to other portable devices such as iPods; it calls these "portable maps." The device does nothing with them other than displaying them. You have to find a 3rd party utility to get Garmin's format from S&T, although it's not a big secret or hard to find. The last mobile version of S&T was 2005, which I don't think you can find anywhere any more.

Obviously both software packages are really for driving a car, not riding a motorcycle, but either one can be used very well for route planning, and if you take your laptop along, route modification. Either one will get routes onto your Garmin, although it's easier with Street Atlas. I've seen little problems in both packages with small mapping errors, roads that aren't really roads, things like that. For example, I used Street Atlas to get to our hotel at Disney a couple of years ago, but the route it made went through an employee gate, which we were not actually allowed to use. And I really hate finding a nice squiggly line on the map and put it in my route, only to find it unpaved when I get there. (I've taken to checking them with Google Earth beforehand now.)

In my own riding I use Street Atlas on my Windows Mobile smartphone, and my Bluetooth GPS receiver is less than half the size of my phone, so I certainly have no problems with space or capacity. They stay under the seat, get pulled out if I'm lost for a quick location fix, then I'm off again. Not as convenient as a bar-mounted Garmin or TomTom, but a heck of a lot cheaper (since I already had the phone and the laptop.)

 
Not being in the know here but trying to figure out, as with the new StreetPilot 2820 and the Nuvi 770 that has a feature called "Auto-Sorting Multiple Destinations" with the most direct route, etc. Is this the same or similar feature that you are speaking of or can this feature be benefical in doing what you are talking about in creating new way points? I think with this multiple routing feature one can change a destination at will and it will re-calculate all way points in not only by the quickest time but offers other alteratives as well and some are even off-road if desired. And one can save those routes if the new one didn't work out. Am I off base here? I'm trying to find a GPS unit so as to not have to deal with any pre-mapping drag and drop or computer based mapping and or downloads to create my routes. That is trying to do this all with just the GPS. Thanks for any input. PM. <>< :unsure:

 
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I played with my son's Tom Tom last night for a while.

You will never get to me to rely on the GPS unit alone for routing! The worst thing about it is that I couldn't just go to the map and tap it to locate a destination or waypoint. I had to have an address, cross street, or lat/long. Just as well, the screen's to smal to browse the map anyway.

I haven't actually handled a Garmin for quite a while, but I remember the experience being similar.

To me, routing with the PC and loading it into the unit is the way to go. Period. It's MUCH easier and infinitely faster, and additional waypoints aren't any hassle at all. And calculating the route is at least 10 times faster as well.

To Painman: his unit did not have a best-route through multiple points that I found, but I think you're on track with your thinking, but I'm answering this way because I urge you to anticipate extreme frustration in relying on the GPS unit alone for that.

 
I played with my son's Tom Tom last night for a while.
You will never get to me to rely on the GPS unit alone for routing! The worst thing about it is that I couldn't just go to the map and tap it to locate a destination or waypoint. I had to have an address, cross street, or lat/long. Just as well, the screen's to smal to browse the map anyway.

I haven't actually handled a Garmin for quite a while, but I remember the experience being similar.

To me, routing with the PC and loading it into the unit is the way to go. Period. It's MUCH easier and infinitely faster, and additional waypoints aren't any hassle at all. And calculating the route is at least 10 times faster as well.

To Painman: his unit did not have a best-route through multiple points that I found, but I think you're on track with your thinking, but I'm answering this way because I urge you to anticipate extreme frustration in relying on the GPS unit alone for that.
Thanks for the input wfooshee. Your reasoning totally makes good sense. Computer mapping is it seems the best way to go and then download to the GPS for now and adding waypoints or removing them seems easy enough. Maybe in the future GPS units will be on par with PC mapping features.

I am a delivery driver and could benifit by the the "multiple routing feature" because I would have addresses but using this on the bike would be limited and frustrating as you say without this info. And I am researching which unit to buy in the future so as I could use it at work and on the bike. Right now I'm looking at the Garmin 2820 for the reason you also stated, larger screen, and still not sure about difference between StreetPilot 2820 and Zumo's. The 2820 has "ability to add maps" as does the Zumo's but the 2820 "cannot use SD or data cards" but the Zumos can, not sure what the SD or data cards are for or what they do? PM. <>< :blink:

 
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