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Okay.... now that all the comedians have provided their humor, I'll tell you the truth of the matter.

Which, of course, will piss off a lot of folks. Believe me, if there's anything I've learned crawling around this planet the past 5 decades, it's this: nothing pisses people off faster than hearing the Truth. Absolutely nothing.

So... here you go:

You are all wrong. The 03 silver is the fastest. It uses different cams,injectors and computer. You just read it on the internet so it must be true and I think the parts book agrees.
FJRay is not too far off the mark here. However, it's not that the 2003 model years are faster, because they are not. They have the same top end as the '04-'05 bikes.

However, the 2003 model year bikes are quicker than all other model years. They are quicker off the line, and they have better roll-on power than all subsequent year FJRs. But they are no faster (top end speed) than the '04-'05 bikes, all other things being equal.

Of course, these statements bring out the ire in '04-'05 owners, who immediately demand that this *must* be proved with scientific, rigorously double-blind testing, including repeatable dyno runs under identical conditions, yadda-yadda-yadda. Otherwise, it can't be true.

Uh.... yeah. Okay, whatever.....
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What these owners don't have is the first-hand experience of assembling and test-riding dozens and dozens and dozens of FJRs for every model year since 2002. I have. And have personally owned a 2004 and a 2003 FJR.

The fact is... the 2003's are quicker than the '04-'05 non-ABS bikes. Every single one has behaved the same during it's initial test ride (remember the "all things being equal" part.... brand new, out-of-the-crate bikes every year).

So while a 2004 Cerulean Silver non-ABS owner and a 2005 Galaxy Blue non-ABS owner will *always* claim they have the faster bikes, they don't. WRT top end speed, all are the same; it's just that the 2003 bikes have more "get-up-and-go" as they come off the line, or while doing a 40-60mph roll-on during overtaking, or other power maneuver.

The 2006 bikes are slightly less quick off the line, and slightly less top end speed than all previous model year FJRs. This is primarily do to their weight gain and final drive gearing change

 
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No. According to Warchild '05 was the same as '04...the only year that they didn't have reduced acceleration.

Therefore, '05's WIN!

 
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...in other words, each year the FJR gets slower and slower... :)
Technically, only the 2006 and later models are "slower"... both in outright acceleration, and top end speed.

The 2004-2005 bikes are the same, relative to each other.

The 2003 bikes have quicker acceleration, but the same top end as the '04-'05 bikes.

 
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yea, but the silver ones are so fugly, you have to sneak up on them. Galaxy blue forever. B)

 
Here we are, having fun in the rubber room when "Dad" Warchild comes along and spoils all the fun. :blink:

Actually I was going to pop in here and make the same comment about quicker vs. faster as I think we had this discussion before and the top end was the same, the roll-on was quicker with the "Classic" Liquidsilver '03s (And Rogdebs red one). :D

 
Oh Yeah? Well, I'm going on a diet, I'm gonna be skinner than all you old phat phucks and me and my 06 are going to be phaster than all of you! So There! :glare:
 
Oh Yeah? Well, I'm going on a diet, I'm gonna be skinner than all you old phat phucks and me and my 06 are going to be phaster than all of you! So There! :glare:
If "bragging rights" are all you need, come race with me............

and I'll let you win! :yahoo: :blum: :rofl:

 
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is in addition to the detuned engine the French bikes have backup lights. The French federal motor vehicle act has mandated backup lights on ALL road vehicles for decades, including motorcycles. The few "grey area" bikes getting into this country with the detuned engines are also coming in with backup lights. The detuned bikes getting into this country are also missing the side case liners, as are the Canadian bikes but they get the immobilizer and a hockey stick autographed by Wayne Gretzky. Buyer beware.

 
For some reason Mike, I don't belive you. :yahoo:
Huh? Wha.....? NosireeBob, I've read some of his posts and he is a qualified competitive rider. Waaaaaayyyy out of my league. Besides, I've reformed. Aaaannnnddd, I thought it the best way to put the whole conversation to rest. Besides, Warchild's multi-colored FJR is the fastest.

 
For some reason Mike, I don't belive you. :yahoo:
Huh? Wha.....? NosireeBob, I've read some of his posts and he is a qualified competitive rider. Waaaaaayyyy out of my league. Besides, I've reformed. Aaaannnnddd, I thought it the best way to put the whole conversation to rest. Besides, Warchild's multi-colored FJR is the fastest.
Ok, MadMike, the gautlet is about is to be tossed... but not in the direction you think... any yuck can crank the loud handle open and just sit there... but how about a SLOW-MO contest at WFO6, complete with corners? Put some brake, clutch, balancing skills into the mix? Oh yeah, throw in some off-camber corners to scare the 'fraidy cats away from the competion. I wonder who the SLOWEST FJR rider is? My bet is BrunDog.. B) Besides, MM, there is no freakin way I would EVER enter a contest of speed with you.. I too, have read your posts.. ;) . Unless, of course, you want to dish it up in the dirt.. then ALL bets are on! :yahoo:
 
Oki Doky, my wingman Grumpy and I will gladly challenge any color FJR to a competition to see who has the most fun.

Lose your prejudice ladies and gents. Love your bike, whatever its color. Cherish not the hot blue ride of your brother FJR.

Can't help but notice that nobody said a darn thing about red. Is there no end to this madness?

:(

I think I'll just go wear out another Strada rear while you guys settle this like the...

Overgrown Adolescents Playing With Motorcycles that we all are!

:yahoo:

 
:D I demand " that this (the color thing - that is) *must* be proved with scientific, rigorously double-blind testing, including repeatable dyno runs under identical conditions, yadda-yadda-yadda. Otherwise, it can't be true."
 
[SIZE=36pt]THREAD RESURRECTION WARNING!!!!![/SIZE]

So seriously folks, what happens when you put an 03 motor (I assume that's the reason for the extra quickness) into an 04 bike?

Seriously?

 
[SIZE=14pt]Holy Thread Ressurection, Howie![/SIZE] :eek:

You'll now have one of the quickest '04s! :yahoo:

Did you have to go looking for this thread, or what?

Seriously, as mentioned in the thread, the cams are different (though the part numbers are the same...I believe the changes are superseded with the same part number). I don't remember what the differences are in the ECUs though the fuel curve and ignition timing could be different between the '03 & '04.

In the end, does it really matter? How often are you going to NEED or notice the change? :unsure:

Then again, bragging rights are bragging rights! :D

 
[SIZE=14pt]Holy Thread Ressurection, Howie![/SIZE] :eek:
You'll now have one of the quickest '04s! :yahoo:

Did you have to go looking for this thread, or what?
I was lookin' through the Bin O'Facts for the comparison matrix and there was a link to this thread. I was trying to see if there was a gearing change between the 03 and subsequent models to help explain the acknowledged "quickness" difference between the 03 and later Gen Is.

Seriously, as mentioned in the thread, the cams are different (though the part numbers are the same...I believe the changes are superseded with the same part number). I don't remember what the differences are in the ECUs though the fuel curve and ignition timing could be different between the '03 & '04.
Well, now that I have Grumpy's 03 motor AND ECU, I can do back-to-back ECU comparisons when Silver Streak breathes life again. Assuming, as you said, there IS a cam and ECU difference, I'd guess they were emissions related, as in 04s and later being "choked back," as in leaned-out in comparison.

In the end, does it really matter?
Not one damn bit. It was just a matter of curiousity.

Then again, bragging rights are bragging rights! :D
And THERE YA GO!!! :D

 
I figured some noob needed a jimmy kick, but noooo, it's just RH poking at keys since he can't wrench on the bike.

Would you hurry up already and get that bike rideable so we can hear about how great it feels to be back on the Feejer and in the wind.

 
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