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Hello,

My 08 FJR1300AE neutral dash green light comes on at any gear over 1500RPM. While in neutral at standing still, the light works properly. First gear and up, comes on intermittently after around 1500RPM.

Any advise is appreciated,

Thanks in advance,

Best regards.

 
According to the manual, the neutral light is essentially an on off switch which goes to ground when in neutral. I would inspect the connector at the switch and or trace the wiring to look for any short or bad connection. The color of the wire at the sensor is Sb (sky blue) according to the manual.

 
1300AE

According to my '06 service manual the neutral indicator light draws it's power from the windshield drive unit, which gets it's power from the signaling system fuse. It goes through the light emitting diode (LED) in the instrument cluster, then travels to both the neutral switch (which I believes lives in the engine), and the engine control unit (ECU). The fact that you are getting light rules out the fuse and wires leading up to and including the LED.

This leaves the wires leading away from the LED. This is the path back to battery negative terminal. The neutral switch is a mechanical contact which should be either on or off. Since it lives within the engine (actuated by the shift drum) I would believe it to be working fine. I don't expect it to be RPM sensitive. This points back to the ECU, which keeps track of, among other things, engine RPM. This would be the engine speed sensitive item. Hopefully it is something as silly as a fault in the grounding buss - i.e. the grounding spiders.

Have your dealer investigate the usual suspects, the S4 spider nest living under the fuel tank left and forward of the engine; and the S6 spider nest which lives near the left turn signal in front of the glove box. The easy way to get to that is to remove the black inner cowling panel next to the left horn and radiator. Any sign of overheating in the white plastic connector or black cap would be the smoking gun. If there were a high resistance at these spiders the amperage would find other routes to get back to battery negative terminal. This may be causing the ECU to behave in this manner.

If this is the smoking gun that is causing the problems, have your dealer * fix it first. Then I would suggest installing either my Grounding Harness which replaces all 6 spiders with a secondary path (fat 10 gage copper wire) directly back to battery negative terminal, or my good friend Art Cooper's (roadrunner) harnesses which Tee in to the high amperage devices pigtails (headlight and radiator fan) and divert much of the current to an engine cover screw - which eventually makes its way to the battery negative terminal. Both systems will do the job of keeping the yamaha grounding buss from being overwhelmed in it's old age.
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It's no guarantee that this is the problem, however, it can't hurt by providing a good ground on these "electrically engineered challenged" 2nd generations FJRs.

Hope this helps.

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Brodie

* By the way, I have several hundred of the male connectors with the pins. I am thinking about making some spider nest repair kits for the mechanically inclined.

 
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Can't add much to what's been already said, except to urge you to report the failure if the problem is determined to be a faulty spider connection. It only takes a few minutes and will ensure that Yamaha comes out with a fix for the problem. Go to Safercar.gov to file your report.

 
Can't add much to what's been already said, except to urge you to report the failure if the problem is determined to be a faulty spider connection. It only takes a few minutes and will ensure that Yamaha comes out with a fix for the problem. Go to Safercar.gov to file your report.

Thanks again Brodie.

Brodie is some sort of Yamaha Guru. I will definitely report the issue. The first dealership I took the bike to, told me that the issue is some sort of electric feedback on the N light. They basically BS me around since I'm mechanically challenge. It bothers me that my bike only has 1400 miles and I'm already having issues. The worst part is that I like the bike so much that I'll insist until I find a dealer that can fix it. I will definitely keep you guys up dated on this.

Thanks again guys.

 
Sorry to see that your young FJR has issues. If there is any kind of warranty, now is the time to use it and get any problems documented.

The neutral light can ONLY come on when the circuit gets grounded. If the neutral light is ON, the circuit leaving the Meter Assembly has to be grounded. If the neutral light is on at an incorrect time it could be the gear position switch in the transmission is defective. The only other way the circuit can get grounded is through a defect in the wire harness. It could be as simple as a pinched or chaffed wire or as aggravating as a failed spider.

The fact that you have an AE makes diagnosis a bit harder. Turn off your engine when the transmission is in neutral. Now turn the key back on and verify the neutral light is ON. Unplug the gear selector connector. If the light goes out the problem is likely to be in the gear switch. If the light DOES NOT go out the problem must be in the harness.

If your AE will let you, take a ride with the gear position switch unplugged. If the neutral light never comes on the problem must be the gear position switch. If the neutral light still comes on the problem must be in the harness.

If you can, give this a try and let us know what you see. We may be able to guide you to root cause based on your results.

 
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The AE actually has a dedicated neutral switch like Gen-I bikes, and unlike the non-AE Gen-II bikes which incorporate the neutral switch into the gear position switch.

 
The AE actually has a dedicated neutral switch like Gen-I bikes, and unlike the non-AE Gen-II bikes which incorporate the neutral switch into the gear position switch.

I believe this might be the part that I am going to need.

NEUTRAL SWITCH ASSY

3GB-82540-01-00

Qty: 1

What the Yamaha Gods think?

 
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I haven't seen where you determined it was actually bad. Disconnect it, if the light still comes on, then you have a wiring fault elsewhere.

A bad switch might cause the N light to never come on, but I don't think it would cause it always be on.

 
It would be very unusual for a switch to supply a ground at the wrong time. Usually it's the other way around where it loses continuity when it should have it.

OTOH it is really easy for a wire's insulation to chafe and contact a metal (grounded) part and supply the ground to turn the lamp on. I'd be looking for a problem like that in the harness.

 
I haven't seen where you determined it was actually bad. Disconnect it, if the light still comes on, then you have a wiring fault elsewhere.

A bad switch might cause the N light to never come on, but I don't think it would cause it always be on.

Sorry wfooshee. I don't know what is wrong with it yet :blind: . I'm trying running before crawling :crazy: . You are absolutely right. I just want this fix so bad that I'm jumping the gun.

Thanks for the eye opener :thumbsup: .

 
It would be very unusual for a switch to supply a ground at the wrong time. Usually it's the other way around where it loses continuity when it should have it.

OTOH it is really easy for a wire's insulation to chafe and contact a metal (grounded) part and supply the ground to turn the lamp on. I'd be looking for a problem like that in the harness.

Thanks Fred. I appreciate your input :clapping: .

 
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