Daytona 200 on SPEEDTV

[BkrK12]

Well, there's 2 1/2 hours of my life I can't get back. SPEEDTV was so enthused with the whole AMA CF that they chose to stick with their original schedule and broadcast qualifying for a truck race while the whole motorcycle group sat around twiddling their thumbs. It was hard to tell which group was the most clueless; the AMA, the tire executives, or the TV broadcasters. It'll be a long time before I waste my time on another AMA event.

 

[Canadian FJR]

SPEEDTV sucks !!!

What a joke. :angry2:

Canadian FJR

 

[wfooshee]

Hey, it wasn't SPEED's fault. I lay it on Dunlop. Their guy said in an interview that the ambient and track temps were way above what they anticipated today, and way above what they've seen all week leading up to it. They had to mount a "more durable" front tire for everybody in the race, which is why the race was stopped for so long.

At least I didn't watch it live, I was out on the Feej this afternoon. Disappointing to come home to the DVR with less than half a race on it, though. Looking now to find out how to see what happened, or if they're gonna show the send part of the race in another broadcast.

Because it was good racing while it ran! The 848 pulling everybody out of the chicane with its low-end grunt, then the Yammies blowing by to the line with the top end.

 

[FJRScrewball]

Hey, it wasn't SPEED's fault. I lay it on Dunlop. Their guy said in an interview that the ambient and track temps were way above what they anticipated today, and way above what they've seen all week leading up to it. They had to mount a "more durable" front tire for everybody in the race, which is why the race was stopped for so long.

At least I didn't watch it live, I was out on the Feej this afternoon. Disappointing to come home to the DVR with less than half a race on it, though. Looking now to find out how to see what happened, or if they're gonna show the send part of the race in another broadcast.

Because it was good racing while it ran! The 848 pulling everybody out of the chicane with its low-end grunt, then the Yammies blowing by to the line with the top end.

It wasn't any fun for us who were at the race either.

Dunlop can say anything they want. They should have known the softer tire wasn't going to go the distance of a 200 mile race. We have actually had a front come through in the last couple of days. Todays temps are lower than they have been all week.

Dave

 

[wfooshee]

Well, I went over to SPEED's site to see if they had any plans to show the end of the race, and I saw a note that they will re-air the race tonight at 11:00 Eastern.

2 Problems with that. The note saying so was at the end of an article describing the race results, and 11:00 PM is when they're scheduled to air the Superbike races. So now I know what happened, and it's very clear (again!) that the folks running AMA Pro Racing don't have a ******* clue, and I don't know when the Superbike races will be on. The scedule on speed.com still shows them at 11, but the article said the 200 will be shown then. So SPEED doens't have a clue, either.

The entire fiasco is still on Dunlop, though. Except for the race results:

Spoiler

Jason DiSalvo was allowed to restart the race, on the FRONT ROW(!!!!) after changing his engine during the red flag front-tire debacle. He was out of the race!!!! before the red flag, with a dead hole!! However, since you can work on the bikes during red flags now, and apparently that allowed work includes replacing practically the whole bike with new parts, he was allowed to restart in the position he held the lap prior to the red flag.

The remaining distance was cut in half, making the race 147 miles, with no more pit stops required, and they set off with a restart. There was a crash in turn one, bringing another red flag. but this one didn't last 2 hours. The bikes apparently then raced a bit, and there was a crash going to the line on the last lap, and a red flag was thrown, results posted as of the lap prior to the red flag, and Josh Herrin was the winner.

But wait, the top 5 crossed before the red flag, and thus their positions counted as of the actual final lap, and Jason DiSalvo, with his half-race-distance engine, was declared the winner!!!! So 5 bikes ran 147 miles, and everybody else was scored at 143 miles.

WTFFFFF??!?! (What the flying ******* freaking friggin' ****?!?!?!)

 

[FJRScrewball]

I was just on the SPEED channels site reading their article on the race. They had an "Update" from Dunlop stating that their initial investigation of Eslicks crash was not caused by a front tire problem. All I know is the track announcer kept telling us that the reason for the mandatory front tire change to the medium-compound tire was due to "chunks" that were coming off of the softer-compound tires.

A few laps after Eslicks crash they red flagged the race for the mandatory front tire change. Draw your own conclusion.

Dave

 

[yamafitter]

I was just on the SPEED channels site reading their article on the race. They had an "Update" from Dunlop stating that their initial investigation of Eslicks crash was not caused by a front tire problem. All I know is the track announcer kept telling us that the reason for the mandatory front tire change to the medium-compound tire was due to "chunks" that were coming off of the softer-compound tires.

A few laps after Eslicks crash they red flagged the race for the mandatory front tire change. Draw your own conclusion.

Dave

A few years ago Goodyear messed up at Indy in both NASCAR and F1. The F1 crowd said nothing in public but I'll always remember that Tony Stewart had a few choice words about Goodyear for the TV audience after the race that left no doubt as to who was the blame. Tony had to go visit the NASCAR boys in the trailer after that little tirade.

 

[wfooshee]

The Indy F1 tire debacle was Michelin. Goodyear hasn't been in F1 for decades. At that event, Michelin-equipped teams were advised that the tires were not safe for the final turn, and all those teams pulled into the pits and withdrew at the end of the sighting lap. Only 6 cars (on Bridgestones) ran the race.

Michelin owned up to it rather well, though. They bought a whole lotta people tickets for the next year's race.

 

[yamafitter]

The Indy F1 tire debacle was Michelin. Goodyear hasn't been in F1 for decades. At that event, Michelin-equipped teams were advised that the tires were not safe for the final turn, and all those teams pulled into the pits and withdrew at the end of the sighting lap. Only 6 cars (on Bridgestones) ran the race.

Michelin owned up to it rather well, though. They bought a whole lotta people tickets for the next year's race.

Quite true it was Michelin involved with the F1 race at Indy. My mistake.

IMHO the race should have been cancelled or at least postponed but Bernie decided to piss on the fans instead.

Michelin were pretty much forced into buying tickets due to all the talk around class action litigation going around.

 

[na1g]

They could screw-up a free lunch. How many different ways can they screw-up the Daytona 200 is the only question.

And two hours to change 30 front tires? By a major tire company?

Lastly, I think (rarely happens) that Daytona is past its freshness date as far as the premiere American bike races are concerned. Time to find a real racetrack for roadracing. This is simply not a good venue for bikes. And a look at the number of spectators in the stands confirms that there is little interest in roadracing during Bike Week. There were probably more folks at the cole slaw wrestling. Let's try racing at the new track in Austin, TX, Barbour or Laguna Seca.

It's a good thing I finally got to ride today. 45 degrees. Balmy! :biggrinsmiley:

pete

 

[wfooshee]

The stands are NEVER much used for any kind of road racing. The fans fill up the infield.

That goes for the Rolex 24 as well as the bike races.

 

[Candyman]

I stood out there for over an hour and a half in the heat. This race was complete BULL. I get the tires were chunking, So either replace them all with med compound tires and finish the whole race or limit the race to 15 laps and let them continue to run on the soft tires, The had already ran 26 laps on them ( some riders had anyway). No need to replace the tires and still shorten the race. Should have know daytona would screw up AMA like they screw up nascar. Not sure I am ever going back to daytona for bike week.

 

[yamafitter]

... Should have know daytona would screw up AMA like they screw up nascar. Not sure I am ever going back to daytona for bike week.

As the sanctioning body it was AMA officials that made the call and not anyone from the Speedway but I have to agree with others that Daytona is not a good roadracing layout.

 

[Candyman]

... Should have know daytona would screw up AMA like they screw up nascar. Not sure I am ever going back to daytona for bike week.

As the sanctioning body it was AMA officials that made the call and not anyone from the Speedway but I have to agree with others that Daytona is not a good roadracing layout.

I was referring to Daytona owning AMA racing. not a speedway rule. Dyatona is trying to screw up AMA racing just like they have screwed up Nascar.

 

[MotorToad]

The entire fiasco is still on Dunlop, though. Except for the race results:

Spoiler

Jason DiSalvo was allowed to restart the race, on the FRONT ROW(!!!!) after changing his engine during the red flag front-tire debacle. He was out of the race!!!! before the red flag, with a dead hole!! However, since you can work on the bikes during red flags now, and apparently that allowed work includes replacing practically the whole bike with new parts, he was allowed to restart in the position he held the lap prior to the red flag.

The remaining distance was cut in half, making the race 147 miles, with no more pit stops required, and they set off with a restart. There was a crash in turn one, bringing another red flag. but this one didn't last 2 hours. The bikes apparently then raced a bit, and there was a crash going to the line on the last lap, and a red flag was thrown, results posted as of the lap prior to the red flag, and Josh Herrin was the winner.

But wait, the top 5 crossed before the red flag, and thus their positions counted as of the actual final lap, and Jason DiSalvo, with his half-race-distance engine, was declared the winner!!!! So 5 bikes ran 147 miles, and everybody else was scored at 143 miles.

WTFFFFF??!?! (What the flying ******* freaking friggin' ****?!?!?!)

I was wondering about that while I watched, the version I watched someone had kindly edited and it contained the entire race. I thought it was just about half way and when they restarted the race they were saying it was a 15-lap sprint. I wasn't exactly watching closely and I ffw'd through the whole red flag era so I wasn't sure they'd done the mileage or not.

2.23 Red Flag Stops and Restart Procedures...

f. All machines brought to a pit box for service and approved for the

restart will start at the back of the grid behind all other machines

that did not require service, These riders re-grid positions will be

determined by their race position the lap preceding the red-******

lap and will be gridded in that order at the back of the feld

l. A rider(s) determined to have caused the red *** will restart from

the back of the feld. If a clear determination cannot be made all

riders involved will be gridded at the back of the feld based on their

position prior to the red ****** lap.

So I guess they're not all that good with their own rulebook.

I threw "l." in there because that's a new bit... Mladin won a race where he caused the red flag.

 

[Randy]

I hated how Sunday went down as much as anyone, but, why fault Speed? They have contracts with their customers to show a program at a certain time. They have contracts with advertisers to show certain commercials during those programs. It sucks, but, that's the way it is. It's not perfect, but, you can't please everyone. People bitched that the races weren't shown live. Well, when you show them live, these things happen. Can't predict the unpredictable. If they would have shown it on same day delay, no one would be bitching about how it went down.

Dunlop did not have any data with the new surface and the high track temps to know that they were going to have problems. I can't fault the AMA or Dunlop for not worrying about 'the show' and putting rider safety 1st.

 

[wfooshee]

Officialness of statement thingy from AMA Pro Racing.