Do the 2013s Have a Clutch/Throttle Connection?

[FJRTom]

Did a little lunch ride with six friends from Phoenix to the Butcher Hook restaurant near Lake Roosevelt in Tonto Basin today. As I keep saying, the more I ride the Gen III the more I like it. 3,800 miles have been logged now on SN 70.

Anyway, at one stop along the way I was fiddling around and happened to observe that the RPM would slightly increase as I let the clutch lever out. I had never noticed anything like this before on my '05 or '08. Later, on a flat, paved, section of street, I experimented and found that I could make very nice -- albeit slow -- starts from a dead stop by merely letting the clutch out slowly and never adding any throttle. My idle RPM is right at 1,100 indicated but I swear it goes up 100 or 200 as the clutch lever is released.

Am I dreaming? Is this old info that everyone knows except me? Or is there some voodoo with the YCC-T that is being observed here?

I'd like some other 2013 owners to give this a try and see if it's the same on yours. (Not that it affects the way I will accelerate from a dead stop but just curious.)

 

[melwil]

I have noticed the same thing and I only have 600 miles on mine.

Mel

 

[Fairlaner]

mine does the same too although i never really thought about.......

R

 

[LKLD]

+1 I've never had a FJR before this one, so I thought it was a normal function. I noticed it in anticipation of light changing, as I would ease off the clutch a little w/o giving throttle.

 

[user 213]

The throttle by wire bikes seem to have a slightly different set up for when the clutch is pulled in. On the Super Tenere, which has a S and T mode and throttle by wire also, there are some power restrictions in the first three gears to aid in rideability. Some folks have found that putting a mini fuse in the back of the clutch plug removes these restrictions and gives the bike noticeably more power in those gears. I have no idea what effect this may have on the FJR. They are essentially shorting the switch out, which means you have no clutch switch safety feature and the bike will start in gear.

Not something I've done myself, but quite a few peeps are doing it w/o issues. It removes the S&T mode though, essentially meaning it's in S mode all the time. Some people say it's a little snatchy and the throttle is more difficult to modulate, most don't find that to be an issue. The mapping seems to be impacted by the clutch being in, likely as an attempt to avoid stalling issues.

 

[odot]

If you klowns haven't noticed.....on any fjr you can have smooth take offs with out any throttle input. Just don't act like you're running a quarter mile. I have always watched other riders(albeit, in disgust) rev up their motors before letting the clutch out to get moving when it really isn't necessary.

 

[tyronewildman]

O K guys and gals, I can’t wait any longer to jump in here. Had my ’04 since 9/03 and my new FJR for a week or so & have read most all posts since late last year. The new one was $13917.88 + TT&L. It is # 41 –no wait; now you can find out all about me. Hang on & I’ll get back to this thread in a min. All this talk about the YCC-T on the 2013 FJR. Mine sure doesn’t have that. I just walked out to my cold garage and (with it off) rolled on the throttle and released the throttle and the clack came from the throttle body shaft returning to its stop. Hmm, the throttle plates are mechanically connected to and controlled by the twist grip. From what I see in Fairliner’s pictures (thanks, by the way) the two throttle cables are connected directly to the throttle plate rod pulley just like my ’04 FJR. Well almost as the ’04 throttle plate rod pulley is in the center and (from the pictures) this pulley is on the right side. As old hat as my ’09 Road King is, the throttle body plate is controlled by a stepper motor which gets its input from a computer (read CHIP) which gets its input from a hall effect sensor in the twist grip. Now that is a Chip Controlled Throttle. Heck the FJRs have had Chip Controlled Injectors from the beginning.

Somebody set me straight here. I thought I was getting YCC-T and I was bummed but after seeing the post with the auto jack and the can of insect spray, I got over it. After rereading Yammy's take on the New for 2013 YCC-T, I am wondering, do the twist grip cables turn a pulley that operates a sensor that inputs to the computer which operates a real YCC-T. Hmmm

Later, De

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Did a little lunch ride with six friends from Phoenix to the Butcher Hook restaurant near Lake Roosevelt in Tonto Basin today. As I keep saying, the more I ride the Gen III the more I like it. 3,800 miles have been logged now on SN 70.
Anyway, at one stop along the way I was fiddling around and happened to observe that the RPM would slightly increase as I let the clutch lever out. I had never noticed anything like this before on my '05 or '08. Later, on a flat, paved, section of street, I experimented and found that I could make very nice -- albeit slow -- starts from a dead stop by merely letting the clutch out slowly and never adding any throttle. My idle RPM is right at 1,100 indicated but I swear it goes up 100 or 200 as the clutch lever is released.

Am I dreaming? Is this old info that everyone knows except me? Or is there some voodoo with the YCC-T that is being observed here?

I'd like some other 2013 owners to give this a try and see if it's the same on yours. (Not that it affects the way I will accelerate from a dead stop but just curious.)

I suspect, with no idle adjusment on the '13 model, the ECU recognizes the RPM's slightly dropping as you let the clutch out and adjusts the RPM's(raises) them accordingly..

 

[LAF]

Is there a really a way to operate a FI system with no moving pulleys, springs, cables, etc? I mean there has to be something mechanical to impart wisdom on the all knowing brain behind the curtain, right?

As far as smooth take offs, I have been as low as third, many times, and smoothly pulled away from a stop light. Never been an issue and always smooth. Now I am not dense so when I saw 900-1000 RPM on idle, I searched here, see to set my idle to 1100, and never gave it another thought.

Sounds like a question of difference, that in my eyes is something I would want, smooth take offs from start. Is it just a mapping in the FI?

Anyone have a PC III on one of these yet?

I just am not sure while it is different, is it bad, or just something new that may take getting used to it?

 

[Intech]

O K guys and gals, I can’t wait any longer to jump in here. Had my ’04 since 9/03 and my new FJR for a week or so & have read most all posts since late last year. The new one was $13917.88 + TT&L. It is # 41 –no wait; now you can find out all about me. Hang on & I’ll get back to this thread in a min. All this talk about the YCC-T on the 2013 FJR. Mine sure doesn’t have that. I just walked out to my cold garage and (with it off) rolled on the throttle and released the throttle and the clack came from the throttle body shaft returning to its stop. Hmm, the throttle plates are mechanically connected to and controlled by the twist grip. From what I see in Fairliner’s pictures (thanks, by the way) the two throttle cables are connected directly to the throttle plate rod pulley just like my ’04 FJR. Well almost as the ’04 throttle plate rod pulley is in the center and (from the pictures) this pulley is on the right side. As old hat as my ’09 Road King is, the throttle body plate is controlled by a stepper motor which gets its input from a computer (read CHIP) which gets its input from a hall effect sensor in the twist grip. Now that is a Chip Controlled Throttle. Heck the FJRs have had Chip Controlled Injectors from the beginning.
Somebody set me straight here. I thought I was getting YCC-T and I was bummed but after seeing the post with the auto jack and the can of insect spray, I got over it. After rereading Yammy's take on the New for 2013 YCC-T, I am wondering, do the twist grip cables turn a pulley that operates a sensor that inputs to the computer which operates a real YCC-T. Hmmm

Later, De

Very interesting post. makes me wonder too....

 

[Bustanut joker]

Ain't you got enough to worry about with the Makers Mark thingy Bob?

 

[beemerdons]

If you klowns haven't noticed.....on any fjr you can have smooth take offs with out any throttle input. Just don't act like you're running a quarter mile. I have always watched other riders(albeit, in disgust) rev up their motors before letting the clutch out to get moving when it really isn't necessary.

odot, bite me! I'm with the Limey, but I'm always heading out ridng for beer, liquor and food so I never really thought about it!

"mine does the same too although i never really thought about.......

R"

 

[odot]

Klown!....where's your klown shoes?

 

[Bustanut joker]

He left them in the erratic coolant temp thread...

 

[Intech]

Ain't you got enough to worry about with the Makers Mark thingy Bob?

You're right. Never mind. The next thing you know they will be talking about mailing penis' here anyway.

 

[El Toro Joe]

Ain't you got enough to worry about with the Makers Mark thingy Bob?

You're right. Never mind. The next thing you know they will be talking about mailing penis' here anyway.

I think it was a "box of cocks"

 

[user 213]

This kind of thread deterioration is what people bitch about in the forum threads.

I guess odot's anus shaving kit is out of foam and Bust doesn't like the stubble burn. That would explain their crankiness.

 

[ionbeam]

Man, I've been on the edge of my seat waiting for an answer on this. So many new things to explore! I may have to break down and get myself one of these Gen III thingies. Maybe I'll make beemerdon an offer once he gets his broken in and has the 600 mile service done. I'm sure his BMW won't miss it at all. We (Mrs. 'beam and I) can fly out in March when we normally do, pick it up and then we can ride it back. The only drawback would be the necessity to have it steam cleaned to have Skoot's 'hidden nasal treasures' washed off and sanitized.

 

[odot]

This kind of thread deterioration is what people bitch about in the forum threads.

I guess odot's anus shaving kit is out of foam and Bust doesn't like the stubble burn. That would explain their crankiness.

Don't take notice that there was some actual input in my initial post. BMOCJSNS