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Why'd you quit? You could have told us about 4160 Volt motors, deltas, wyes, and a whole bunch of other technical sounding goodies. It is not very often that you find a 480 volt 3 phase system in a residential setting though, so I guess that is as far as we need to go.

 
Why'd you quit? You could have told us about 4160 Volt motors, deltas, wyes, and a whole bunch of other technical sounding goodies. It is not very often that you find a 480 volt 3 phase system in a residential setting though, so I guess that is as far as we need to go.
You were correct in that the poor guy didn't get his answer, so I stepped up. The other content was an attempt to simplify the difference between 3 wire & 4 wire 3-phase to another poster.

If I pissed you off in some way, sorry.

If you say this is the end, then I guess that is that on the subject.

 
I am not sure that the original OP question was ever answered. We hit all around it and learned some good things but the question was,"What happens to the neutral current? Does it go to earth ground as it passes each pole or does it go all the way back to the substation?"
SHORT ANSWER: No need for the current to flow to the sub-station, why? The power for your home comes from the line transformer that steps-down the line voltage to 120/240 volts.

Any measured current flow is only to that point.

Difference between 3 wire & 4 wire three phase power is easy to understand. The additional conductor allows the use of one of the line phases paired with the neutral for a lesser voltage. Phase-to-phase 480v 3-phase will now offer up 277v single phase. This 277v single phase can now be run through a transformer for 208v & 120v.

Three wire 3-phase is the best for motors & equipment as the motors run more efficiently & typically uses about 1/10th the power of a 120v motor of the same hp rating. The motor's windings being the same value, do not suffer from line imbalance (power loss factor), so no neutral is required. Changing the motor rotation is easy as pie... flip any two phases.

I forget anything?
Actually, yes. Speaking of motors and efficiency, what is the purpose of the run capacitor?

 
Why'd you quit? You could have told us about 4160 Volt motors, deltas, wyes, and a whole bunch of other technical sounding goodies. It is not very often that you find a 480 volt 3 phase system in a residential setting though, so I guess that is as far as we need to go.
You were correct in that the poor guy didn't get his answer, so I stepped up. The other content was an attempt to simplify the difference between 3 wire & 4 wire 3-phase to another poster.

If I pissed you off in some way, sorry.

If you say this is the end, then I guess that is that on the subject.
Uhhhhh....... a little sense of humor goes a long way around here.

He wasn't pissed at you. He was complementing you in a funny way. Nor was he calling an 'end' to anything.

Don't be too defensive or take anything to personal around here.

 
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1354070558[/url]' post='1019312']I am not sure that the original OP question was ever answered. We hit all around it and learned some good things but the question was,"What happens to the neutral current? Does it go to earth ground as it passes each pole or does it go all the way back to the substation?"
SHORT ANSWER: No need for the current to flow to the sub-station, why? The power for your home comes from the line transformer that steps-down the line voltage to 120/240 volts.

Any measured current flow is only to that point.

Difference between 3 wire & 4 wire three phase power is easy to understand. The additional conductor allows the use of one of the line phases paired with the neutral for a lesser voltage. Phase-to-phase 480v 3-phase will now offer up 277v single phase. This 277v single phase can now be run through a transformer for 208v & 120v.

Three wire 3-phase is the best for motors & equipment as the motors run more efficiently & typically uses about 1/10th the power of a 120v motor of the same hp rating. The motor's windings being the same value, do not suffer from line imbalance (power loss factor), so no neutral is required. Changing the motor rotation is easy as pie... flip any two phases.

I forget anything?
Actually, yes. Speaking of motors and efficiency, what is the purpose of the run capacitor?
To get the phase shift so you can start the motor not needed to run the motor and they typically cut out once the motor reaches a certain rpm. Not needed in a 3 phase motor

 
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Personally, I don't care whether or not Ionbeam is totally correct,sorta correct or full of ****. All I know is he always sounds correct. Way more correct than myself, even if I'm speaking about things I know. Hell, I always thought American power was distributed in 3 phase. WTF?
Marky-Mark, our man Odot covered this topic in the radiator thread! jes' sayin' and nuff' said!

 
Hey! This is America! Come on you guys, speak English! I don't know what the hell language you are using but I can't understand a word of it! :p
Let me translate: Constant Mesh wants to know how power travels down his pole. Dencouch says his load is imbalanced and ionbeam says he needs to put his rod in the ground. AuburnFJR says he needs to look in a book to figure the whole thing out. Odot thinks he's hot and needs to find a way to cool down. Simple.
Pure genius.

But who does odot think is hot? Constant Mesh or AuburnFJR? That's kinda awkward.

 
Why'd you quit? You could have told us about 4160 Volt motors, deltas, wyes, and a whole bunch of other technical sounding goodies. It is not very often that you find a 480 volt 3 phase system in a residential setting though, so I guess that is as far as we need to go.
You were correct in that the poor guy didn't get his answer, so I stepped up. The other content was an attempt to simplify the difference between 3 wire & 4 wire 3-phase to another poster.

If I pissed you off in some way, sorry.

If you say this is the end, then I guess that is that on the subject.
Uhhhhh....... a little sense of humor goes a long way around here.

He wasn't pissed at you. He was complementing you in a funny way. Nor was he calling an 'end' to anything.

Don't be too defensive or take anything to personal around here.
Thank you SIR!

That was exactly my intention. I thought we got some great answers from some really smart folks and some decent answers from some average folks (me!) I realized that we had not actually given an answer to the original question, tried to steer it back that way. Since we are in the Completely Off-Topic Discussion, I would not mind if this thread did get taken further. I learn more on this forum than I originally signed on for. This place is great!

 
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Gosh, all this power talk has me thinking maybe I should return to work in the electric power industry? :blink: On second thought after 41 years and 4 major utilities spent in the Generation/transmission/distribution and arena and many sleepless nights on shift maintaining the operating criteria, and then as the responsible manager for same.... :huh: Nah, I'm enjoying retirement, riding and family and don't miss NERC, WECC, NWPP, etal. :clapping:

 
Why'd you quit? You could have told us about 4160 Volt motors, deltas, wyes, and a whole bunch of other technical sounding goodies. It is not very often that you find a 480 volt 3 phase system in a residential setting though, so I guess that is as far as we need to go.
You were correct in that the poor guy didn't get his answer, so I stepped up. The other content was an attempt to simplify the difference between 3 wire & 4 wire 3-phase to another poster.

If I pissed you off in some way, sorry.

If you say this is the end, then I guess that is that on the subject.
Uhhhhh....... a little sense of humor goes a long way around here.

He wasn't pissed at you. He was complementing you in a funny way. Nor was he calling an 'end' to anything.

Don't be too defensive or take anything to personal around here.
Thank you SIR!

That was exactly my intention. I thought we got some great answers from some really smart folks and some decent answers from some average folks...
I take exception to being left out! I gave a completely useless answer and I'm an idiot. I think we need a little sensitivity training around here.

 
Why'd you quit? You could have told us about 4160 Volt motors, deltas, wyes, and a whole bunch of other technical sounding goodies. It is not very often that you find a 480 volt 3 phase system in a residential setting though, so I guess that is as far as we need to go.
You were correct in that the poor guy didn't get his answer, so I stepped up. The other content was an attempt to simplify the difference between 3 wire & 4 wire 3-phase to another poster.

If I pissed you off in some way, sorry.

If you say this is the end, then I guess that is that on the subject.
Uhhhhh....... a little sense of humor goes a long way around here.

He wasn't pissed at you. He was complementing you in a funny way. Nor was he calling an 'end' to anything.

Don't be too defensive or take anything to personal around here.
Thank you SIR!

That was exactly my intention. I thought we got some great answers from some really smart folks and some decent answers from some average folks...
I take exception to being left out! I gave a completely useless answer and I'm an idiot. I think we need a little sensitivity training around here.
Quit your sniveling you whiny-gash little bitch! Yours is the 'Most Popular' post in the whole thread.

There's some 'Sensitivity Traning' for you FJRForum style. :)

 
Quit your sniveling you whiny-gash little bitch! Yours is the 'Most Popular' post in the whole thread.

There's some 'Sensitivity Traning' for you FJRForum style. :)
Thank you, kind sir. A little recognition goes a long way. :thumbsup:

 
Mohadib would get special attention.............

jes' sayin' and nuff said.....

oh, and don't get married.

 

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