electrical question

[FJRBoyd]

Ok i know most of you will think i am nuts BUT i have installed a Remote starter on my FJR !

The install went fine except ...............

She cranks over well but will not start !! under the tank coming off the ignition is a double BLUE wire i think it is wired to the clutch switch ( I think)

When i jump the two blue wires she starts up nice with the remote BUT it will also start if left in gear !!!!! ( dangerous )

Any ideas on what i am missing or where i can connect to bypass this problem ?

thanks

FJRBoyd

 

[Bounce]

Any ideas on what i am missing or where i can connect to bypass this problem ?

on the side stand or center stand? if the side stand is deployed then there's a kill switch that's the problem. park it on the center stand and try again.

btw: i have read reports of bikes left to idle in garages that got hot enough to burn the house down. if you do this, only start it as your getting geared up and are ready to go.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Any ideas on what i am missing or where i can connect to bypass this problem ?

...if the side stand is deployed then there's a kill switch that's the problem source for a fix. park it on the center stand and try again.

Editing on what Bounce, wrote, if on the center stand and in gear, the rear tire will just spin. I'd look into using the sidestand circuit to drive a relay that kills your remote.

 

[Geezer]

If you can stand next to the bike, on the side stand, in neutral, hand off clutch lever, and start it with the normal starter button, then the problem is not the safety sensors on the bike.

 

[SacramentoMike]

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I'm guessing I won't be the only one wondering this. . . why? I can see doing this with a car. Give the heater time to get everything nice and cozy inside, defrost the windows and all. I used to let the car run while I brushed off the snow and scraped the windows, way back when. But a motorcycle? Does your FJR really take all that long to warm up and run?

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[FJRBoyd]

Any ideas on what i am missing or where i can connect to bypass this problem ?

on the side stand or center stand? if the side stand is deployed then there's a kill switch that's the problem. park it on the center stand and try again.

btw: i have read reports of bikes left to idle in garages that got hot enough to burn the house down. if you do this, only start it as your getting geared up and are ready to go.

I had her up on the center stand and tried it with the side stand up and down ! the remote starter does her her to crank over but she will not fire up unless i jump the two blue wires under the tank !

But if i jump the two blue wires, she will start up in neutral and in gear !

The remote safety is wired to the break at the moment , when running my the remote starter just touching the break kills the engine

i forgot to mention that my baby is a 2005

 

[huron52]

Remote starters for a motorcycle.... I guess..... I friend of mine uses his remote starter for his snowmobile all the time.

I figure if I start it up and then put on the last of my saftey gear on, it should at a temp that like it at, so I can ride off.

 

[FJRBoyd]

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I'm guessing I won't be the only one wondering this. . . why? I can see doing this with a car. Give the heater time to get everything nice and cozy inside, defrost the windows and all. I used to let the car run while I brushed off the snow and scraped the windows, way back when. But a motorcycle? Does your FJR really take all that long to warm up and run?

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well i like to see at least one bar on the temperature read out before i ride away, But i guess its more of a (Boy's and their toys thing ) Come on, how many people do you know have a remote starter on their bikes ??? Kind of makes me special, and guaranteed to freak a couple of people out

Winter mod,s

I was looking for a motorcycle heated seat pad but most of the prices are nuts ! i found on ebay a heated seat and back pad with a water proof Hi/Low heat switch for 1/2 the price of a motorcycle heated butt pad, so i bought two, I installed the butt pad under the cover of my Sergent seat ( Driver and passenger seats) and stitched the back pad into mine and the wife's thermo liners in out jackets .

So two heat switches driver and passenger and a quick connect from under the seat and we both have warm buns and a heated jacket for the same price and ONE motorcycle heated but pad

Oxford heated hand grips

Extra fuse box with 6 connection points and a relay wired to the headlight.

blue led's in fairing and under tail, Very cool look (switched )

frame sliders

back off break flasher

chevron led turning signals on mirrors and back cases (quick release on back cases

V-stream windshield

fork mounted daytime running lights (switched)

Sergent seat

 

[Pale Rider 07]

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I'm guessing I won't be the only one wondering this. . . why? I can see doing this with a car. Give the heater time to get everything nice and cozy inside, defrost the windows and all. I used to let the car run while I brushed off the snow and scraped the windows, way back when. But a motorcycle? Does your FJR really take all that long to warm up and run?

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well i like to see at least one bar on the temperature read out before i ride away, But i guess its more of a (Boy's and their toys thing ) Come on, how many people do you know have a remote starter on their bikes ??? Kind of makes me special, and guaranteed to freak a couple of people out

Winter mod,s

I was looking for a motorcycle heated seat pad but most of the prices are nuts ! i found on ebay a heated seat and back pad with a water proof Hi/Low heat switch for 1/2 the price of a motorcycle heated butt pad, so i bought two, I installed the butt pad under the cover of my Sergent seat ( Driver and passenger seats) and stitched the back pad into mine and the wife's thermo liners in out jackets .

So two heat switches driver and passenger and a quick connect from under the seat and we both have warm buns and a heated jacket for the same price and ONE motorcycle heated but pad

Oxford heated hand grips

Extra fuse box with 6 connection points and a relay wired to the headlight.

blue led's in fairing and under tail, Very cool look (switched )

frame sliders

back off break flasher

chevron led turning signals on mirrors and back cases (quick release on back cases

V-stream windshield

fork mounted daytime running lights (switched)

Sergent seat

Most of this stuff sounds pretty good. Just a word of caution though. If you ever venture down to Florida, make sure you turn off your blue LED's...will most likely get a ticket for them. Down here, the MC cops like to be the "special" ones.

 

[HaulinAshe]

... Come on, how many people do you know have a remote starter on their bikes ??? Kind of makes me special, and guaranteed to freak a couple of people out

I do!

Honey, oh remote Honey! Go start the bike will 'ya!?

 

[FJRBoyd]

... Come on, how many people do you know have a remote starter on their bikes ??? Kind of makes me special, and guaranteed to freak a couple of people out

I do!

Honey, oh remote Honey! Go start the bike will 'ya!?

I have a remote honey for coffee and back scratches !!

easy to wire but hard to program lolololo

 

[ionbeam]

...She cranks over well but will not start !! under the tank coming off the ignition is a double BLUE wire i think it is wired to the clutch switch ( I think)

When i jump the two blue wires she starts up nice with the remote BUT it will also start if left in gear...

Wellallrightynow, you have done it because, so moving on with the problem at hand I have a few questions.

Does your bike have an immobilizer? Is it a USA or Canada bike?

What is the remote starter connected to?

Are the two blue wires solid or stripped, light or dark in color? If you can see a connector that they pass through, how many wires are in the connector?

What made you jump the two unknown blue wires together in the first place?

 

[FJRBoyd]

...She cranks over well but will not start !! under the tank coming off the ignition is a double BLUE wire i think it is wired to the clutch switch ( I think)

When i jump the two blue wires she starts up nice with the remote BUT it will also start if left in gear...

Wellallrightynow, you have done it because, so moving on with the problem at hand I have a few questions.

Does your bike have an immobilizer? Is it a USA or Canada bike?

What is the remote starter connected to?

Are the two blue wires solid or stripped, light or dark in color? If you can see a connector that they pass through, how many wires are in the connector?

What made you jump the two unknown blue wires together in the first place?

The harness is red with 2 dark blue wires. One has a white stripe and the other a yellow stripe. They show as being shorted together at the ignition switch when the switch is in the ON position. I don't know if the bike has an immobilizer but I do know it's Canadian. The color code on the US schematic matches the wire colors on the bike

Correction on the color code for the 2 wires in the red housing at the front of the tank. The wires are white/blue and blue/yellow.

Pierre

 

[Bounce]

what the manual for the remote starter say? what's the electrical diagram show you the function of each connection is for?

 

[ionbeam]

...I don't know if the bike has an immobilizer but I do know it's Canadian...

If your motorcycle has an immobilizer your key will have a fancy head on it, unlike the cheap black plastic Tee headed key from non-immobilizer bikes. (Looking for a picture of either one...)

If you bike does indeed have an immobilizer it would be suspect #1.

Duh, (slaps himself on the head), if you have an immobilizer you will have a lamp for it on your dash.

 

[FJRBoyd]

...I don't know if the bike has an immobilizer but I do know it's Canadian...

If your motorcycle has an immobilizer your key will have a fancy head on it, unlike the cheap black plastic Tee headed key from non-immobilizer bikes. (Looking for a picture of either one...)

If you bike does indeed have an immobilizer it would be suspect #1.

Just a normal crappy key

The remote starter works normal < when i push the button the dash lights up, i hear the gas pump working and she cranks over but wont start ! under the tank there are two wires that i jumped ( my friend is a little better at this then i am since he installed one on his ST1300 and attempted the install on mine ) when the jump is done the bike starts up fine ! but when the jumper is removed it dies ! the dangerous part is , with the jumper installed the bike will also start in first gear with the side stand down and no clutch !

 

[wfooshee]

The ignition switch is a double-pole switch. It closes 2 circuits.

If your remote device is only closing one of those, then it won't go.

The second circuit closed is part of the sidestand and neutral switch matrix to the ECU, and those are white/blue and blue/yellow. Sound familiar? The ECU has to see a ground on one of those switches to allow ignition, and keeping that second pole disconnected blocks that ground.

With that said, if your remote relay will close both poles of the ignition switch (double-pole relay, obviously) then the starter will be overridden if the bike's parked in gear on the sidestand, and the remote will work if it's in neutral or the centerstand, with the sidestand up.

But I'm with the WTF!!??!?! crowd.

To use this you have to park in neutral, which I never do, even in flat Florida.

And the fuel system will be happy to ride off at the instant of starting, no warm-up required. It's not like the old carb days when stuff just didn't work until it was hot. Letting the bike just sit and run is a waste of otherwise perfectly useful fuel.

EDIT: I had to come back and add this, to point out that this is why electrical mods without a schematic on hand might not be the most useful of ideas . . . . . Jus' sayin', ya know?

 

[FJRBoyd]

The ignition switch is a double-pole switch. It closes 2 circuits.

If your remote device is only closing one of those, then it won't go.

The second circuit closed is part of the sidestand and neutral switch matrix to the ECU, and those are white/blue and blue/yellow. Sound familiar? The ECU has to see a ground on one of those switches to allow ignition, and keeping that second pole disconnected blocks that ground.

With that said, if your remote relay will close both poles of the ignition switch (double-pole relay, obviously) then the starter will be overridden if the bike's parked in gear on the sidestand, and the remote will work if it's in neutral or the centerstand, with the sidestand up.

But I'm with the WTF!!??!?! crowd.

To use this you have to park in neutral, which I never do, even in flat Florida.

And the fuel system will be happy to ride off at the instant of starting, no warm-up required. It's not like the old carb days when stuff just didn't work until it was hot. Letting the bike just sit and run is a waste of otherwise perfectly useful fuel.

EDIT: I had to come back and add this, to point out that this is why electrical mods without a schematic on hand might not be the most useful of ideas . . . . . Jus' sayin', ya know?

well not having a electrical back ground and not wanting to pay a dealer the over priced hourly rate, I have tried my best! and did have a 2003 schematic on hand, and when i ran into a problem i thought the FJR forum would be a perfect place to get help and answers from fellow FJR riders.

Jus sayin ya understand ?

but thanks for your help, i will try what you have suggested tomorrow night !

 

[Bounce]

given the rarity of this mod, the generalized help that people gave was pretty significant. knowing the type of ignition, various safety lockouts, and even colors of wires is pretty in depth. don't you agree?