Engine fit

[Old cruiser guy]

Hi all have not been hear for about 3 year’s 

and haven’t been on my bike for over two years because the timing chain jumped.

anyway the bike is a  06 abs AV 

what years will fit in this bike.

 I see  2006 thru 2012 would this be true.

yamaha complete case assembly is the same part number   06-12 .

any information would be awesome 

thanks

 

[RossKean]

You should be okay with the 06 to 12.  Might want to upgrade the ECU while you are at it.  

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Thanks 

 

[dcarver]

You should be okay with the 06 to 12.  Might want to upgrade the ECU while you are at it.  

Huh? More info please.

 

[RossKean]

Huh? More info please.

From his initial post, I understood that "Old cruiser guy" was looking to replace the engine after grenading it due to a timing chain jump.  (I am assuming it has been determined that damage is too great for an economical repair.)

I was just confirming that an '06 to '12 engine should fit without any issues.  Replacing the ECU with something after '08 or '09 should give some improvement in fuelling.  Better than '06 or '07 anyway.

To the original poster - make sure that whatever engine you get has the upgraded "blue dot" or "green dot" cam chain tensioner.

Edit to add:  There are a few decent looking options currently on eBay.  At least one of them is for an "AE" model.  This can be converted to work with an "A" model, if you want to do this.  Apparently not a big deal but simpler is always better.

https://www.fjrforum.com/topic/161693-converting-gen-2-ae-to-a-engine-is-it-possible/?tab=comments#comment-1205396

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Thanks Dave 

I would like to just replace the engine and 

get back to riding. I had the new updated

tensioner ready to go into the bike and the chain jumped when I was bringing the bike from my hose garage to my work shop garage to do the job. Boy was I mad for procrastinating

 

[philter]

The better fueling of 08 FJR's compared to the 06 and 07's is also accomplished by changes in the FI's so I would recommend that if you are going with a 08 to 12 engine you should try to appropriate the FI throttle body's with it if that's not too expensive,  rather than use yours. It has to do with small changes in the shape of the throttle pulley, but it makes a big change in the part throttle performance and softens the knife switch on/off throttle problem that plagued early Gen. 3 FJR's. 

 

[RossKean]

Agreed on the throttle pulley being part of it but the ECU change is greater.  (I think the rest of the throttle body and FI are the same)

I don't think the newer pulley can be bought separately but the pulley effect can be offset to some extent by replacing the throttle tube at the grip with a G2.  It has a different profile cam on it. 

 

[Boston]

There is a ytube video. A guy put a 10 in a 5.

 

[RossKean]

^^^

The OP has a Gen II (2006) so any Gen II engine will work as a direct swap.  Engine swap has been fairly well documented and shouldn't be a huge deal for someone with decent mechanical skills (and lots of photos to remember what went where). 

There have been reports of a Gen III engine being put into a Gen II but this might have unnecessary complications.

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Hey guys thanks for the input.

 I do have the power commander and the G2 tube already on the bike but you guys are talking FI are you referring to the throttle bodies completely or just the ECU.

thanks

 

[RossKean]

There are two differences (as far as I know) between the earlier and later Gen II.  One is the ECU - mapped for better fuelling on the 2008 (or '09)+.  The other is the pulley on the throttle bodies.  The shape of the cam makes for a more abrupt transition at low throttle openings.  The G2 helps compensate for that but the later version is probably preferable.  As mentioned, I think the pulley is the only mechanical change but I don't think it can be replaced separately.

In any case, having ridden the '06, you are no doubt pretty used to it.  I had a Power Commander on my '07 but removed it due to the hit on fuel economy.  I got used to the throttle response after a while  and put 190,000 miles or so on it before I sold it.  My current bike (2011) is quite a bit better.

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Thanks Ross

I guess I could live with the throttle response but it’s making me think if I get it running again I could think about updating later.

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Hey guys & girl’s political correctness

I got the engine in the frame no problem but will not start. I have spark fuel to the fuel rail but no go. After reading the FSM And reading on this forum about self dia on the speedo I have tested fans injectors kickstand etc and I have a er1 code for the headlight .  Check engine light on. Any links to understanding the readout on the speedo or thoughts.

thanks

 

[mcatrophy]

Er-1 suggests a bad connection between ECU and meter unit (a bad connection is far more likely than a faulty ECU).





[SIZE=11pt]Fault code No.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Item[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Symptom[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Able / un- able to start[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Able / un- able to drive[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Er-1[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]ECU internal malfunc- tion
(output signal error)[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]No signals are received from the ECU.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Er-2[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]ECU internal malfunc- tion
(output signal error)[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]No signals are received from the ECU within the specified duration.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Er-3[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]ECU internal malfunc- tion
(output signal error)[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Data from the ECU cannot be re- ceived correctly.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Er-4[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]ECU internal malfunc- tion
(input signal error)[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Non-registered data has been re- ceived from the meter.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]




[SIZE=11pt]Unable[/SIZE]

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Thanks for the reply 

as I was testing everything the only relays that would not test was the headlight. That’s when I was learning my way around with the meter and found the er1 code.

will the code faults clear by themselves if and when the problem is corrected after a key cycle on & off ?

 

[mcatrophy]

will the code faults clear by themselves if and when the problem is corrected after a key cycle on & off ?

My understanding is that the Er codes are not stored, and are just indicating a current fault. Fix the fault, the indication will disappear (possibly after cycling the ignition switch). I have never experienced these, so this is not first-hand knowledge. 

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Thanks for your input. I am learning about this stuff as I go and I’m blown away by all this technology. 

 

[Old cruiser guy]

Hey All just an update as I managed to get a hour to look at the bike again.

thanks to you all she is now running with the new engine and sounds great thanks for the help.