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Is it possible to have a fifth gear change ? And how much do you think that would cost . Pulling engine , opening tranny . changing gear out ,not to mention the cost of the gear itself ...A true 5th gear overdrive , 2500rpm @ 70mph ..something like that .Going to the Bike show this weekend.The new " wing " is close to $30 grand ! My 2007 is paid for ,All I need is OVERDRIVE gear ! and my bike would be close to perfect .What do you think ??,$ 3-4 Thousand . Maybe that Harley dude could help us out , ( Baker ? ) It would make my keep my bike till I could not ride any more .

 
IIRC, you change the rear end out with a Venture or something.. try google searching against this forum e.g. 'subject site: fjrforum.com' without quote marks of course..

 
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2500 rpm is lugging the engine below it’s designed rpm range. This is not a long stroke V-twin cruiser. Look at your red line. Run the engine at 1/2 of that (or higher up to the limit) and it’s happy. Run it at 2500 rpm and it will wear out bearings quickley, your fuel mileage will suck, and the engine will get all carboned up with combustion deposits. If you want to run at 2500 rpm down the road go buy a bike designed to do that. The FJR isn’t that bike.

 
With the 190-55 rear tire my bike is really unhappy at

2500 RPMs in 5th gear. ( Approx 55 MPH. )

I doubt it would pull 2500 RPMs with higher gearing.

 
Uh, 5th gear IS an overdrive.
Let's not argue over semantics.
An overdrive was originally an extra gearbox added on the output shaft of the standard gearbox, that could be selected to achieve low engine rpm at cruising speed. "Overdrive" then became a term used for a top gear where the output shaft speed of the gearbox turned faster than the input shaft speed, which may or may not give relatively low engine speed when at cruise. Since nowadays all gearboxes are indirect in all speeds, the actual gearbox ratios are irrelevant, it's the overall ratio from engine to driven wheel that matters.

The question refers to increasing the final speed over standard, going back to the original idea of an overdrive, to lower engine rpm at cruising speed.

Edited to add, in the latest 6-speed gearbox, both 5th and 6th are "overdrive" gears.

NEPRT, here we come.

 
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"Was" and "is" are continually in change. "Personal transportation" used to mean a buggy but the buggy whip industry is just a faded memory.

"Bitching" used to mean threads like this but now it means "cool"... and threads like this.

 
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Is it possible to have a fifth gear change ? And how much do you think that would cost . Pulling engine , opening tranny . changing gear out ,not to mention the cost of the gear itself ...A true 5th gear overdrive , 2500rpm @ 70mph ..something like that .Going to the Bike show this weekend.The new " wing " is close to $30 grand ! My 2007 is paid for ,All I need is OVERDRIVE gear ! and my bike would be close to perfect .What do you think ??,$ 3-4 Thousand . Maybe that Harley dude could help us out , ( Baker ? ) It would make my keep my bike till I could not ride any more .
I swapped the Royal Star Venture ring and pinion gears into a spare FJR pumpkin a few weeks ago and I am happy with the results. My FJR is a Gen1 and I used to try to find a higher (6th) gear often. Now my 5th gear is a "true" overdrive and I no longer try. I totally agree that it is not necessary, but I like it a lot. I do not use the "new" 5th gear unless I'm turning 3,000 rpm or more (approx 60 mph) so as to avoid "lugging" the engine.

I will admit that I miss my "old" 1st gear a little bit, but for the type and amount of riding that I do now (always solo and hardly ever in stop and go traffic) I find it perfect for my needs.

My total cost was under $200 but I kept my original final drive intact in case I wanted to go back to stock or for when it comes time to sell the bike. If I had it to do over my cost would be about $100 because I would just move the new gears and shims into the original final drive (I bought my RSV pumpkin off eBay for $75.00 and the tool to remove the pinion bearing retainer was about $25). The amount of time I spent on the project was probably about 40 or 50 hours because of the research involved and the many measurements and procedures involved.

I'm retired and the Colorado winters are often cold and white so time is something I have plenty of.
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semantics indeed....my '58 Chevy with a 348 big block had overdrive which was actually underdrive...from hot rod Lincoln..."man alive, I kicked her on down into overdrive."

put a 190/55 out back and call it a day......

 
Our state highways around here are 70. The Interstates are 80. On my Gen II I haven't felt a need for a taller gear. The bike will happily cruise for hours at 4-5000rpm. Took a couple day trips years back with some guy from Kelowna that swore he almost never used 5th on his FJR b/c he thought "it feels funner" just keeping it in 4th.... We did a 300 or so mile ride and he told me he never used 5th all day....

 
Check the past posts and you will see where I did the Star Venture final drive mod. and up'd the rear tire to 190/55. The end result is about a 3-4mph increase compared to stock gearing and 180/55 rear tire. Going to a 190/55 rear tire will bring your speedo to a true reading.

I have found this mod. is about as good as it gets. The FJR has adequate power to handle the higher gearing and at normal highway speeds you will not be lugging the engine. Since the mod. two years ago my mpg is 48. I am a moderately aggressive rider.

 
Yes, you could absolutely modify the final drive gearing, or put a larger circumference tire on an FJR and it could handle it, but gearing, like almost every other part of life, is one more in an endless series of compromises. You would absolutely get lower rpm at a particular road speed, but other than the needle pointing to a different spot on the tachometer, what does that really buy you?

Do you get a proportional increase in fuel economy? I would suggest that you do not. You may get a minor improvement in fuel mileage, but not the same percentage by which you alter the gearing. There are far too many other variable at play for there to be a 1 to 1 relationship. And, at what cost do you get that mileage?

You will absolutely have worse acceleration in all gears, since the final drive affects the gearing in all of them. Low speed becomes trickier with higher overall gearing in 1st gear and youll need more clutch slipping in parking lot manouvers. And roll on in top gear will be more sluggish, amplified by the 5th gear overdrive ratio.

Smoothness of the engine, and reduction of vibration at cruising speeds is one reason often quoted, but There is a wide range of perceptions and personal tolerance to vibration, and also apparently some variability between bikes. I find that my FJRs have tended to smooth out somewhat when rpms are raised up above around 5000, which coincides with FJR nominal cruising speeds of 85 to 100 mph in stock gearing. The harmonic misbalance of the in-line 4 FJR engine seems worst in the 3500 to 4500 rpm range.

In essence, the increased final drive ratio that occurred between the quicker 1st Gen bikes and 2nd Gen and later bikes is tolerable, but also quite noticeable to anyone sensitive to performance. Like all of our other compromises in life, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

 
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