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Heidi,
We followed your route around the devil's triangle last year at NAFO and that was fine. If we had more dry time there last year we were going to do the southern route (Cherahola and Dragon) on Sunday, but alas, it was not to be and we started the long, wet slog homeward.
I'm thinking that, even more than the need for additional fun routes is the need for good weather.
Do you suppose that you could put in a good word with the Kentucky weather gods (or goddesses) for us?
We followed your route around the devil's triangle last year at NAFO and that was fine. If we had more dry time there last year we were going to do the southern route (Cherahola and Dragon) on Sunday, but alas, it was not to be and we started the long, wet slog homeward.
I'm thinking that, even more than the need for additional fun routes is the need for good weather.
Do you suppose that you could put in a good word with the Kentucky weather gods (or goddesses) for us?
HaulinAshe
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Heidi,
CrackedIce would be the closest and most logical to modify for including Rte-160. That stretch of Rte-160 is 16 miles of good twisty road, but not within reach of the existing routes without significant compromise. I considered it for both the CucumberlandGap and CrackedIce routes, but both routes are already well over the 300-mile mark.
If I were you, I'd ride Rte-160 both on the way in and out, since you are coming from that direction.
leedavis
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Jeff mentioned and I highly recommend the free route mapping program Tyre, available here for download. It will open existing GPX files or create them from scratch using a modified Google Maps interface that is easy to use and understand...much clearer than Garmin's Mapsource program. If you want more details than you ever needed to know about Jeff's routes, open the GPX in Tyre then click the "Show Route" button. All will be displayed on a map you can explore, manipulate and modify. If you make changes then save from Tyre as a new GPX file.
HaulinAshe
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My routing "philosophy" typically involves the following criteria...
1. Keep all routes below 350 miles (if possible). Folks need time to socialize and typically don't want to spend 12 hours on the bike each day.
2. Be sure to include some shorter (< 250 miles) routes that are more scenic and have more amenities along the route path. These work best for two-up rides and people wanting to just get out and ride for a short while.
3. Build at least one route that incorporates as much twisty action as can be and still follow rule-1 above.
4. (New for this year) Make every attempt to avoid unpaved roads and water crossings.
5. Plan each route so that it passes through a pit/fuel stop area mid-morning and early afternoon.
6. Plan each route so that starting the ride at 08:00-08:30, results in reaching a suitable lunch stop area around 11:30-12:00 noon.
7. Avoid slab time of more than one hour at all costs.
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TwoUpComfort and LoopyNorth are the more relaxed/two-up type of routes. Rule-2.
CrackedIce is my hope to fulfill Rule-3.
DragonHalaDeviledEggs violates all the rules (I think). It's just what's necessary to do The Dragon, Cherohala Skyway, and Devil's Triangle from our meeting location.
CucumberlandGap is a mixture of a route recently used in another event blended with my own secret herbs & spices. I built it around recommendations from people who recently ran the area and shared the route information. It should be a good "mixture" route that provides a taste of everything in one dish. We'll call it Cucumberland Goulash.
SouthWestEggRolls was born from a need to fill that map direction. We came into Cumberland Falls from the southwest last year and it was a beautiful area to ride. How's that for twisted routing logic?
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Most of the roads in KY exist and are maintained for the benefit of trucks rather than residents. As has been stated several times, it's extremely easy to run up on gravel/unpaved in KY. Google Maps, Garmin Maps, S&T all tend to disagree if roads are paved or unpaved in that region.
I had a lot of help from people like LeeDavis (Thank you Lee!!!) scouring the routes for signs of gravel. I used several mapping programs on each route, Google Maps Street Views, and Lee even zoomed in from satellite views on suspicious areas. But since nobody who lives in that area was able to actually pre-ride all the routes, odds are that either I got them ALL right, or they will all have gravel, washed-out bridges and Fencer's girlfriend at every corner.
Life is supposed to be an adventure. See you in two weeks.
HA
1. Keep all routes below 350 miles (if possible). Folks need time to socialize and typically don't want to spend 12 hours on the bike each day.
2. Be sure to include some shorter (< 250 miles) routes that are more scenic and have more amenities along the route path. These work best for two-up rides and people wanting to just get out and ride for a short while.
3. Build at least one route that incorporates as much twisty action as can be and still follow rule-1 above.
4. (New for this year) Make every attempt to avoid unpaved roads and water crossings.
5. Plan each route so that it passes through a pit/fuel stop area mid-morning and early afternoon.
6. Plan each route so that starting the ride at 08:00-08:30, results in reaching a suitable lunch stop area around 11:30-12:00 noon.
7. Avoid slab time of more than one hour at all costs.
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TwoUpComfort and LoopyNorth are the more relaxed/two-up type of routes. Rule-2.
CrackedIce is my hope to fulfill Rule-3.
DragonHalaDeviledEggs violates all the rules (I think). It's just what's necessary to do The Dragon, Cherohala Skyway, and Devil's Triangle from our meeting location.
CucumberlandGap is a mixture of a route recently used in another event blended with my own secret herbs & spices. I built it around recommendations from people who recently ran the area and shared the route information. It should be a good "mixture" route that provides a taste of everything in one dish. We'll call it Cucumberland Goulash.
SouthWestEggRolls was born from a need to fill that map direction. We came into Cumberland Falls from the southwest last year and it was a beautiful area to ride. How's that for twisted routing logic?
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Most of the roads in KY exist and are maintained for the benefit of trucks rather than residents. As has been stated several times, it's extremely easy to run up on gravel/unpaved in KY. Google Maps, Garmin Maps, S&T all tend to disagree if roads are paved or unpaved in that region.
I had a lot of help from people like LeeDavis (Thank you Lee!!!) scouring the routes for signs of gravel. I used several mapping programs on each route, Google Maps Street Views, and Lee even zoomed in from satellite views on suspicious areas. But since nobody who lives in that area was able to actually pre-ride all the routes, odds are that either I got them ALL right, or they will all have gravel, washed-out bridges and Fencer's girlfriend at every corner.
Life is supposed to be an adventure. See you in two weeks.
HA
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wheatonFJR
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Jeff, I think you did a fantastic job in giving suggested routes for folks.
Thanks for showing your criteria...good fodder for the next chump person who decides to step up to be the ride planning whipping boy. :lol:
Thanks for showing your criteria...good fodder for the next chump person who decides to step up to be the ride planning whipping boy. :lol:
cota95
RI Beach Pop
Thanks again, this is just what I was looking for!!!
Mr Bill
Old Dog
wheatonFJR
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Somebody will find something... :lol: Also, Notice he didn't say guaranteed unpaved.
...and oh btw, gravel in the road does not make it a gravel road.
Bill's all set with that. Gravel in the road is an everyday occurrence up here in New England.
In the narrower secondary and tertiary roads the BSTs have a tough time getting around tight right hand corners without the rear wheels venturing off-the inside edge, so there is often a little crap on those.
Just gotta be a li'l careful.
In the narrower secondary and tertiary roads the BSTs have a tough time getting around tight right hand corners without the rear wheels venturing off-the inside edge, so there is often a little crap on those.
Just gotta be a li'l careful.
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