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Ann (my wife) and I are interested in doing a bucket list tour of Europe next year, hopefully through the Alps. The problem is the price. Looks like a $14,000 trip (includes airfare) for the two of us (two bikes because she rides, yay) on Edelweiss tours. Anybody have any plans or PLEASE recommend a good tour that doesn't break the bank if possible. The Alps is where we want to travel. Somewhere between the Moto-Charlie tours (mostly fast, sportbike pace) and Edelweiss tours (mostly slow deit de de pace) would be great.

Thanks,

Lew

 
Ann (my wife) and I are interested in doing a bucket list tour of Europe next year, hopefully through the Alps. The problem is the price. Looks like a $14,000 trip (includes airfare) for the two of us (two bikes because she rides, yay) on Edelweiss tours. Anybody have any plans or PLEASE recommend a good tour that doesn't break the bank if possible. The Alps is where we want to travel. Somewhere between the Moto-Charlie tours (mostly fast, sportbike pace) and Edelweiss tours (mostly slow deit de de pace) would be great.Thanks,

Lew
ULEWZ: Below is the Narrative of an AZ Beemers Alps Ride that Uri and I organized, unfortunately our pics are no longer on PicasaWeb.

You can save money by renting your bikes from Stefan Knopf of Motorrad Reisen located in Kircheim, Deutschland; just south of Heidelberg.

https://www.knopftours.com/Web-Site/Hello.html You can take the train from the Frankfurt airport to within 300 meters of Stefan's shop/house.

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Alps Riders Group Completes Kick-*** Euro Trip by BeemerGuy- Uri Schumm and BeemerDonS - Don Stanley

On May 18, 2007 five AZ Beemers took off on a long-anticipated motorcycle trip through southern Germany and the Alps. Don Stanley (Beemerdons) was the guiding force in planning this adventure, laying out the route, selecting mountain passes and ultimately being the ride leader. Uri Schumm (Beemerguy) located and reserved rooms in hotels, communicated with the BMW rental company and acted as translator in the German speaking areas. Sylvia Schumm (Beemergal,) Bob Flanders and Dave Cooley completed our little gang adding their company and good humor. We had a blast!

In this report I’ll share our trip story with you, what we saw, the people we met, the food we ate and a bit about my personal reconnecting with family. Please be sure to look at the pictures at: https://picasaweb.google.com/beemerguyRT/europemay2007pictures[/url]. Click on “Slide Show” and join us on our incredible journey.

Following my narrative be sure to read Beemerdons’ report on Don's Alps Pass Bagging 101 - Do It Yourself (DIY)! Learn all about planning such a trip, routes, maps, motorcycle rental, planning for weather contingencies and anticipating challenges on the road. You’ll find his report to be a treasure trove of information.

After we completed an Edelweiss tour of Andalucia Province in Spain in February, 2006 Don and I started talking about organizing our own trip to Europe. Don suggested the Alps with their challenging passes and incredible beauty. I was easily convinced. In January, 2007 we planned the dates, May 18 through 28, reserved our bikes from Knopf Motorrad Reisen in Heidelberg, Germany, and bought our airline tickets from www.expedia.com. The five members of our Alps Riders Group (ARG) e mailed and spoke on the phone often. We also had a couple of planning meetings. Before long we were on our way!

Fourteen and a half hours of air travel time plus a nine hour time change, followed by a couple of hours of train travel to Heidelberg added up to a very long day. We were welcomed by Stefan Knopf with the first of many delicious German beers on this trip. Stefan has been renting BMWs to overseas ridersfor 15 years. He has four kids ages 5 through 12 and runs the business out of his home. Tragically, Stefan lost his wife to cancer on December 15, 2006. He also has some guest rooms that he rents out. Stefan’s children help in a modest way with this part of the business.

Stefan took us over to his shop/bike storage where we met our motorcycles. Don, Sylvia and I rode R1150RTs. Bob rode an R1100RT. Dave’s bike was an R1150GS. All had about 30,000 to 40,000 kilometers on their clocks. The bikes including saddle bags and top cases, were well tuned. Mine had brand new tires. We had absolutely no trouble with our equipment throughout a journey that really tested the motorcycles.

We spent the night at the 157 year old Zum Baeren Hotel where we had dinner, and fell into bed after 31 hours of being awake. Our hotel fee included a buffet breakfast. Then we took off for Augsburg, the ancestral home of my mother’s family. We can trace our genealogy back to 1754. My forebears were winemakers in the area for many generations. On this trip we made a determined commitment to avoid high speed Autobahns and Autostradas whenever possible. The thrill of riding at speeds well in excess of 100 MPH soon wears thin, not to mention the scenery is little more than blur.

Our route of choice this day was the Romantische Strasse, a two lane Landstrasse (highway) that winds through towns, villages and farms, many dating back to the middle ages. In some places the houses on either side of the road leave only two really narrow lanes. Frequently during our ride south our noses were graced with the smells of barnyard animals and manure. The predominant color of this route was green. With ample rain, this part of Germany is lush with forests and verdant fields. Each little town has its landmark church. We rode past old forts and castles, stopping for a beer at the well preserved town of Noerdlingen where several of us visited a church built before Columbus’ discovery of the new world. Be sure to check out the pictures at:https://picasaweb.google.com/beemerguyRT/europemay2007pictures[/url] .

Don and I had been tracking the weather on the Internet for weeks leading up to our trip. The forecast was for rain most of the time. We felt lucky to have sunny and clear weather on this day. We were prepared for any eventuality, having brought along, rain gear, lots of long johns, sweaters and heavy socks. By early afternoon we made it to Augsburg, the second oldest city in Germany, dating back to the year 15 A.D. We stayed at the Ibis, one of a chain of hotels, similar to our Days Inn. From there we went to a beer garden with my cousin Miriam and her husband Friedhelm. There we enjoyed the traditional Augburg dishes of Weisswurst, Leberkaese with potato salad and of course beer.

My cousins took all of us on a walking tour of the old city, 75% of which had been destroyed by allied bombing during World War II. The Messerschmidt and BMW aircraft factories as well as other strategic targets were carpet bombed into oblivion. Many old structures survived. Others have been restored. For me getting to talk with my cousin whom I had previously met only twice many years ago, gave me a chance to reconnect with some of my family history. For once I did more listening than talking. The day ended with dinner at another beer garden. This outdoor meal featured veal and lamb dishes and the delicious German Pilsner brew.

The following morning Sylvia and I visited Miriam’s Dad, Grandpa Fritz, age 95. We last saw him in 1969 during our R69US tour of Europe. It was great chatting with him. We resumed our ride down the Romantische Strasse, met Bob, Dave and Don at Neuschwanstein Castle and headed into Austria. Our goal this day was to reach Merano Italy in the Tyrolean Alps. As we began to gain in elevation we hit some rain, nothing serious, but riding on two wheels on wet, curvy mountain roads requires real concentration. Entering Austria, we were pleased to see a drop in fuel prices. The super premium juice required by our bikes cost us anywhere from $6.00 to $8.00 a gallon. The best prices were in Austria. My guess is their taxes are lower.

The ride over the Fern Pass and up and down a number of Alpine mountains and valleys was great fun once the rain ceased. The route chosen by Don consisted of countless twisties with occasional switchbacks. Riding in first and second gear was de riguer. The occasional foray into third felt like freeway driving. Along the mountainsides were small villages and isolated farmsteads. Dairy cows and occasional herds of sheep grazed along the steep hillsides. Everything was green with snow-capped peaks above. At each turn I half expected Heidi’s grandpa to come out and greet us.

As we entered the Italian Alps we hit more serious rain. We donned our rain suits and trucked on. Finally at around 8:00 P.M. we made it to our hotel tired and hungry. A late start and some delay due to the rain were to blame. We went to a local restaurant where pizza (delicious!) and beer ended a long day.

Waking up the next morning to a view of an old vineyard with snow-capped mountains in the background was like falling into a picture postcard for me. You may see this view and more at the link above. Our best buffet breakfasts were served at the Eremita Einsiedler hotel in Merano, Italy. The staff there spoke German with a definite Italian lilt. The accommodations were very comfortable and the surrounding countryside was picturesque, characterized by vineyards and old castles. Dave, Bob and Don spent the day riding some passes while Sylvia and I toured the lovely historic town of Merano and partook of their delicious ice cream cones.

Our rooms at this hotel cost 77 Euros for a double, including breakfast buffet. At the exchange rate of $1.40 for a Euro this works out to about $108.00. Other rooms ranged from 55 Euros (no breakfast) in Augsburg to 122 Euros with breakfast at lake Como. Our US dollar did not buy much in Europe. Most meals were about $18.00 plus beverage and tip. Restaurants here do not serve water. They sell you overpriced bottled water. Ice as we consume it in Arizona is unheard of. Our request for ice raised many eyebrows. But as always the beer and in Merano, the Italian wine were excellent.

Don chose some challenging and picturesque passes for our route to Lake Como. By this time we were all accustomed to multiple twisties, ascending and descending hairpins and the occasional buzz of Euro-bikers flying past us. Don’t get me wrong. We usually rode as fast as conditions and our skills permitted. Speed limit signs (except in towns) we purely advisory for us. Just past the Italian town of Sondrio we came upon one of the aforementioned speedsters being removed by ambulance. The black skid marks in the road told us he had overestimated his skill. It was a sobering moment.

Our greatest challenge this day was meeting opposing trucks and buses in the hairpins. These behemoths often hogged 7/8 of the narrow road. We became accustomed to rolling on the throttle when rare passing opportunities presented themselves. Our BMWs never disappointed us. Until this trip I had considered AZ 191, the Devil’s Highway, fun and challenging. I now view this road in a new perspective, not really all that difficult. I look forward to riding it again soon. This was another satisfying day of mountain riding. Though we gobbled up the several hundred kilometers, the heat and finding ourselves stuck behind caravans of slow drivers were tiring. We were glad to arrive at Lake Como

The Park Hotel overlooking lake Como in Abbadia Lariana, Italy had the best room amenities of any place we stayed. It had air conditioning, and in contrast to the typically puny showers, this one allowed one to turn around without one’s butt bumping into the faucet handle and causing an instant ice shower. The staff here as elsewhere was accommodating and friendly. I made ample use of the Internet to check on the weather and touch base with home.

The day after our arrival at Como Dave, Don and Bob bagged some more mountain passes. By the time Sylvia and I met them at the Moto Guzzi factory just three kliks from our hotel they were bushed by the challenging riding and the heat. We were only able to tour the museum portion of Moto Guzzi where we saw several score of Guzzis designed for military, police, motocross, sidecar and even one ski bike! This one is pictured at: We would all have enjoyed a tour of the production facility. I was unsuccessful in persuading Bob to make them an offer they couldn’t refuse.

Our departure for Austria the next morning was delayed by rain. We rode local highways to Austria with on and off showers, but not enough to impede us. Shortly after entering Switzerland we began to really climb the Alps. At one point we rode a series of about ten steeply ascending switchbacks. These roads as every other Swiss road we ran were the best we encountered with excellent road surfaces and bike friendly banking. The Swiss road signage was the clearest, very much in contrast to the muddled and confusing Italian directional signs.

At St. Moritz we finally hit sweater worthy temperatures. We lunched at a yacht club on the large lake there, and proceeded toward our Austrian destination. This day provided us with some of the most satisfying riding yet. Toward evening we entered Austria and ran into some heavy rain. At the town of Landeck we decided to call it quits some sixty kilometers shy of our destination. We ate and slept at the Schwartzer Adler (Black Eagle) Hotel. The customary great food, beer and a solid buffet breakfast fortified us for the next day’s riding. Don, Bob and Dave headed for the Black Forest in Germany. Sylvia and I opted to spend one more day with our Augsburg cousins.

After an evening enjoying a baroque concert at the historic St. Ulrich Church in Augsburg, Miriam prepared a hearty breakfast, and we were on our way. Once again we cruised up the Romantische Strasse, stopping to enjoy and take pictures of castles. At Creilsam we ate lunch and picked up the Autobahn toward Heidelberg. Some high speed riding in the rain brought us to Stefan’s house by about 3:00 in the afternoon. There we met our Alps Riders Group buddies enjoying our favorite beverage. They had arrived about fifteen minutes earlier via Autobahn from France. Their bikes were shiny and clean after being blasted by rain for two hours. Dave was drying his socks.

We spent the night at Stefan’s house, and took a minivan arranged by him to the Frankfurt airport the next morning. The American Airlines flight to Phoenix via Dallas Fort Worth was long and uneventful. This was quite in contrast to too short a vacation with many wonderful times to remember. Please contact me or Don with any comments or questions. If you’re interested in organizing a trip we’d be delighted to chat with you. Be sure to read Don’s tips below. If you haven’t yet seen the pictures of our adventure, now would be a perfect time to check them out at: https://https://picasaweb.google.com/beemerguyRT/europemay2007pictures]

 
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Ann and Lew, I've been riding the Alps every few years like clockwork ever since I bought my BMW R60/2 in Bavaria while stationed in the US Army in Augsburg.

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Alpine Pass Bagging 101 or Riding Les Alpes
Do-It-Yourself Style, by Don Stanley
June 2, 2007

The purpose of my report is providing you, an AZ Beemers and Fast Tour Riders Group member, basic information to plan your own Alps Adventure.

Accompanying my report is another report from my good friend Uri Schumm detailing the cultural, historical and social interactions that our trip encountered. Think of my narrative as a Clymer’s Shop Manual for the Alps

There are many tour companies providing escorted Motorcycle Tours of the Alps, Beach’s and Edelweiss are two premier companies serving the motorcyclist riding the Alps. You can go to www.bmca.com and www.edelweissbike.com to see their rates; at a price twice our expenditures.

Our trip consisted of eleven days total, with three of the days being flying days and eight days were aboard the motorcycles. We used www.expedia.com to purchase our American Airlines budget tickets, but www.cheaptickets.com or www.orbitz.com works fine also. Buying nine months ahead resulted in flights of $600; you pay more nearer to flying time.

First hand experience is everything and I heartily recommend Knopf Motorradreisen operated by Stefan Knopf in Heidelberg. His homepage is www.Knopftours.comand e-Mail is [email protected] and my use of a 2004 BMW R1150 RT with top case, tank bag, and cell phone-travel service assistance resulted in a fee of $150 a day. If you like the K75 series, he has a fleet of these and they rent out for $100 a day; they are very well suited to the Alps. When you arrive at Frankfurt Rhein Main International Airport collect your baggage and walk down stairs to the train terminal. At the Service Desk are English speaking staff, purchase a ticket for 30 Euros to Kircheim/Rohrbach and Stefan’s shop is 300 yards west of the train station.

We tried to not spend over 100 Euros a night on average for lodging for two people and we easily met our goals. Here’s our easily obtainable routing from Heidelberg that provides a rider with 300 kilometers a day and up to 400 kilometers if you bag extra passes. Augsburg, 2 nights each in Merano and Lake Como, Landeck and Titisee-Neustadt for last night. Here’s some great M/C links for your use: www.alpineroads.com and www.bmwmoa.org

Day One: From Heidelberg to Ausgburg was a nice blend of high speed autobahn running and cruising the famous two lane Romantische Strasse, the old post road of Rome’s Legionnaires in their far flung colony of Germania.

Autobahn M/C Notes: Never stay in the far left lane except to pass! You’ll either by cited by the Polizei or you’ll wind up as a hood ornament on a Maserati going 250 kilometers an hour. There are speed limits on the Autobahn, but only at intersections of multiple routes or where there’s successive on/off ramps where you are reduced to 100 kph. Construction zones on the autobahn can be reduced to even 50 kph, but typically they are posted for 80. Other than these examples, run that BMW flat freaking out.

Secondary Roads: Euro authorities are lenient on your speed in rural areas, but they will cite you in a second and fine you 100 Euro on the spot if you speed through their towns and villages. Save the blast for the countryside.

Day Two: We rode the Romantische Strasse south to Merano, Italy today and start bagging our first passes. On the way we stopped to check out Bavaria’s Mad King Ludwig’s twin castles of Neuschwanstein and Hohen Schwangau. Here are the passes we nailed on our way to Sunny Italia.

1. Fern Pass, 1209 meters. 3. Piller Hohe, 1558 meters; Note: Piller Hohe is a nice pass because it has hundreds of very tight turns and the road is only 2 meters wide, you have to let another moto squeeze past when you encounter one. 4. Reschen Pass, 1504 meters. We got to ride them in the rain!

Day Three: Using Merano as our base Camp we did some serious Big Boy pass bagging: 1. Timmels Joch, 2509 meters. Note: This is one of the Disneyland E-Ticket pass rides in the Alps and the only one better is Passo di Stelvio, but unfortunately Stilfser Joch was still covered in snow. 2. Jaufen Pass, 2094 meters. 3. Penser Joch, 2214 meters. Last two hours of this day trip were on the Jenesian trail that runs from Bozen to Merano along a track just like Piller running through the villages of Moltina and Avelengo.

Day Four: We had many miles ahead of us to get to Lake Como and some amazing passes to Conquer! 1. Gampen Joch, 1518 meters. 2. Passo dello Tonale, 1884 meters. 3. Passo dello Aprica, 1176 meters. Technical riding!

Day Five: Using Abbadio del Lario as our base we explored Lake Como and the mountains above. We put our bikes on the car ferry at Varenna and were transported to Menaggio. At Carlazzo, next to Lago di Plano, we saw on our maps a twisty little road up to the Village of Cavargna. This road made the Piller and Jenesian tracks look like the Autobahn. Our arms were tired for the rest of the trip after negotiating this incredibly twisty route. We turned back when it turned into a GS track at Saint Nazzaro and returned via ferry to Mandello del Lario to tour the now historical Moto-Guzzi M/C factory.

Notes on Vignettes: To ride the Autobahns in Switzerland and Austria you will need to pre purchase a sticker that you display on your windshield. We avoided the autobahns because Austria charges 7.5 Euros for a ten-day vignette and Switzerland makes you buy a pro rated vignette at four Euros a month per year. Since we were in the fifth month we’d have had to pay 32E.

Day Six: Lake Como and through San Moritz to our day’s nightly destination of Landeck, Austria. Only significant pass today was Maloja at 1815 meters, the road followed the Inn River and it was beautiful; and rainy!

Day Seven: Pass City on our ride back into Germany to spend the night at Titisee-Neustadt. 1. St. Anton Pass, 1284 meters. 2. Arlbergpass, 1793 meters. Flexenpass, 1773 meters. 3. Hochtannberg Pass, 1679 meters. We then rode along the Northern Shore of Lake Constance through Switzerland.

Day Eight: We rode through the Schwarzwald-Black Forest today. Took the secondary passes through Munstertal to the A5 Autobahn, our route back to Heidelberg. Took everyone into France to show them the Rhine River and the river barges going through the canal locks. Afternoon rained like crazy!

We had a fantastic trip with great friends and great scenery to enjoy throughout. The roads are incredible and every turn brought a smile to our faces. Stefan Knopf provided us with motorraden that performed flawlessly.

We did hit a little bit of rain, but all in all we were very fortunate that the longest duration was two hours and mostly it rained at night while sleeping.

Only thing I’d do differently next time is to make use of renting one of Knopf Motorrad Reisen’s K75’s. Solo that’s all you’d need for Alps riding.

If you’ve any questions about Alps Riding, please call Don at 480-440-4666 or [email protected].

 
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I highly recommend John Hermann's Book "Riding the Alps", if you decide on the Passes you want to bag: I can lay out your routes and recommend Gasthaus'.

https://www.whitehorsegear.com/motorcycle-journeys-through-the-alps-and-beyond


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Wow, very informative. I will try and digest this tonight when I get home. Thanks.
I certainly DO NOT want to take anything away from Edelweiss Bike Travel, I am personal friends of the Owners Werner und Coral Wachter and they provide an excellent service.

But if you do a self guided 7-day riding tour of the Alps riding Stefan's BMW K75's and utilizing economical lodgings I believe I could produce a travel budget for you two around $7K.

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Don, you Fargin Bastage!

Edelweiss tours do a great job of taking care of everything, but are beyond our budget. All the other (DIY) motorcycle rentals are $200+/day, just for an adult- size bike. (When Barb & I travel in Europe our daily budget is $200/day for food, lodging, entertainment, tours, etc.) So I've resigned myself to the fact that a moto-tour is an un achievable fantasy.

Now you show Stefan's rentals... 35% less!

It can be so confusing when fantasies invade reality.

I haven't been this moto-aroused since I saw that pristine, gently used Blackbird in a showroom in Budapest - for only 1,750,000 ZsaZsaBucks...

Lucille is calling from the garage. She promises to make me forget Stefan's bikes.

 
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Wow, very informative. I will try and digest this tonight when I get home. Thanks.
I certainly DO NOT want to take anything away from Edelweiss Bike Travel, I am personal friends of the Owners Werner und Coral Wachter and they provide an excellent service.

But if you do a self guided 7-day riding tour of the Alps riding Stefan's BMW K75's and utilizing economical lodgings I believe I could produce a travel budget for you two around $7K.

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Are you saying you can help plan this wonderful trip?

That would be great. Any GPS routes? I am a man after all and can't read a map.

 
Wow, very informative. I will try and digest this tonight when I get home. Thanks.
I certainly DO NOT want to take anything away from Edelweiss Bike Travel, I am personal friends of the Owners Werner und Coral Wachter and they provide an excellent service.

But if you do a self guided 7-day riding tour of the Alps riding Stefan's BMW K75's and utilizing economical lodgings I believe I could produce a travel budget for you two around $7K.

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Are you saying you can help plan this wonderful trip?

That would be great. Any GPS routes? I am a man after all and can't read a map.
Lew, Papa Chuy Viejo is the ANTI GPS MAN! My 2012 BMW K1600GT has a built in Garmin GPS in the dash, I have covered it up with a picture of Gisele Bundchen!

Seriously, everyone in my BMW MOA club cracks up when they see I have blocked the GPS screen! But I will help you in anyway that I can, I do know the Alps well!

 
Lew and Ann, Shane Fleming produced a 2009 video of the ride of he and his friends rode that is a mirror image of the AZ Beemers Alps Run of 2007!



As I watched this movie unfold I could see it all in my MInd's Eye, this is a route you just might consider: I have listed the passes and potential overnights!

Heidelberg to Imst, Austria: This will be a long riding day, but you will be doing 200kph on der Autobahn

Garmisch

Fernpass

Interlaken, Switzerland

Hahntenjoch Pass

Hoctannberg Pass

Zernez, Switzerland

Grimsel Pass

Furka Pass

St. Moritz, Switzerland: This would be your most expensive overnight stop, expect to pay 150 Euros for your hotel if you decide to stay here.

Molveno, Italy: Should be able to get lodgings for 75 Euros here, beautiful city.

Bernina Pass

Gavia Pass

Dobbiaco, Italy: Tiny and picturesque village.

Merano Pass

Giau Pass

Zell Am See, Austria

Staller Sattel Pass

Grossglockner

Zell am Zee to Munich, Germany: Stay at der Post Hotel across the street from der Hauptbahnhof - The main train station.

Berchtesgaden - The Eagle's Nest - Mountain Retreat of Hitler

Munich back to Heidelberg on der Autobahn all of the way. When you're at the Hofbrau Haus look for my initials carved in the table by the patio tree: MAR-1969!

Papa Chuy Viejo has got to control himself, I'm talking myself in to another Alps Motorcycle Journey. I promised the FJR Forum Canadians we'd ride Spain next!

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Papa Chuy Viejo has got to control himself, I'm talking myself in to another Alps Motorcycle Journey. I promised the FJR Forum Canadians we'd ride Spain next!
Too bad for Ann and I. Good for the Canadian crowd. I don't need to be talked into it, just fine tune the details. I want to ride the alps bad, and so does Ann.

 
Papa Chuy Viejo has got to control himself, I'm talking myself in to another Alps Motorcycle Journey. I promised the FJR Forum Canadians we'd ride Spain next!
Too bad for Ann and I. Good for the Canadian crowd. I don't need to be talked into it, just fine tune the details. I want to ride the alps bad, and so does Ann.
[email protected] If you are riding the Alps next year, it is not too early to start communicating mit Herr Stefan Knopf of Motorrad Reisen. Please mention that you are friends with BMW MOA Club #89 AZ Beemers: Don Stanley, Uri Schumm, Dave Cooley and Dr. Bob Flanders.

You'll notice we started our 2 week Alps trip in mid-May, your best pricing for everything from hotels and airfare will be before Memorial Day and after mid-September. If you travel between June 1 and September 15 expect to pay more for everything, especially up in the Alps.

The only disadvantage is that some of the passes may be closed until mid-June, Passo 'di Stevio - Stilfersjoch was closed in May of 2007: Did not open up until the Fourth of July. On May 25 we rode Timmelsjoch on the first opening day of the season, it still was icy in some spots!

Dave Cooley on the left and Don Stanley on the right, if you do ride to Imst you will go over this scenic and winding Flexen Pass at 5,817 feet.

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Discussing the details with the wife this weekend. Funny, we are having trouble finding riding buddies willing to spend $7,000!!!

I do realize that is a chunk of change, and will cut into my play money.

She is leaning towards the Edelweiss tours and I am leaning towards the Moto-charlie tours. She is going to ride my 600 lb FJR this weekend to see if she can handle the extra weight, so she will know if she can handle the rental bike (F800GS?). Her bike weighs 400 lbs and she weights 130lbs, but does have a 32 inch inseam.

 
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I bought the Alps book, and got Alps overload. It is like choosing sweets in a candy store. I tried to trace your routes on Google maps, and had trouble finding all of the passes. I guess Google needs the name of the roads. My plan is to find a turn by turn itinerary, and choose a hotel based on where we are daily. I am hoping a friend of mine that did the alps a few years ago saved his trip planning. Any more advice on specific trip planning? Thanks Don, you have given me hope to try this myself with my wife.

This link seems pretty awesome:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Farticle%3DCategory:Mountain_passes_of_the_Alps%26usecache%3D1&ie=UTF8&z=6

 
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I bought the Alps book, and got Alps overload. It is like choosing sweets in a candy store. I tried to trace your routes on Google maps, and had trouble finding all of the passes. I guess Google needs the name of the roads. My plan is to find a turn by turn itinerary, and choose a hotel based on where we are daily. I am hoping a friend of mine that did the alps a few years ago saved his trip planning. Any more advice on specific trip planning? Thanks Don, you have given me hope to try this myself with my wife.
This link seems pretty awesome:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Farticle%3DCategory:Mountain_passes_of_the_Alps%26usecache%3D1&ie=UTF8&z=6
https://www.alpineroads.com I do highly recommend that you join this Alpine Roads forum, just introduce yourselves with your plans/intents and they will be glad to help you out. Please note that these Alpine Roads Members are regular Alps riders, with many residing permanently in die Alpen!

 
OK I just bumbled onto this topic and having just gotten back from Slovenia visiting long lost family and viewing the Juliann Alps and roads there, vowed to come back with a motorcycle. What a place to ride. We rented a car and I regretted every moment in the car as motorcycles passed us almost every minute. The roads are a motorcyclists wet dream. The scenery awesome. Hotels can be had from 19 euros up with private bath and the european version of a king bed. I might suggest Slovenia as a cheaper alternative. The terrain varies from seaside winding roads, to vineyards, to the Alps and living expences are lower than Western Europe and almost everyone speaks English as a second language.

Just thought I'd throw this out as an alternative as I would be interested in going. We were there late September to middle of October this year and had no problem finding accommodations without reservations. We just went to the visitor center which is available in most towns and told them what we wanted for what price and they would set things up for us.

At any rate We might be up for other tours for 2015 too. The sooner the better as we are not getting any younger!

Zbear

 
After many hours of research (mostly on alpineRoads.com, Michael Jordan (MJ, but not the basketball legend) has been exceptionally helpful. Here is my first cut after advice and revisions if you are interested:

Thun to Andermatt (123 miles/198 km): https://goo.gl/maps/m3H3B

Primary Andermatt to Celerina (148 miles/238km): https://goo.gl/maps/j22Ih

Alternate, Andermatt to Livigno (136 miles/219km): https://goo.gl/maps/SXTQk

Alternate short, Andermatt to Celerina (100 miles/162km): https://goo.gl/maps/SRrI9

Alternate Long, Andermatt to Livigno (226 miles/364km ): https://goo.gl/maps/dFU8y

Primary, Celerina over Stelvio, to Mals (80.6 miles/130km ) : https://goo.gl/maps/uX8eT

Alternate, Livigno to Mals (65 miles/105km): https://goo.gl/maps/ScRgF

Alternate long, Celerina to Mals, includes side road in Valdidentro, (89.4 miles/144km): https://goo.gl/maps/Nz4uI

Mals to Andermatt (141 miles/226km): https://goo.gl/maps/EofUk

Andermatt to Thun (78.1 miles/126km): https://goo.gl/maps/0qxOd

 
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You probably also need to plan a proper medical insurance and medevac insurance too, as your own insurance here may or may not cover you while you are there.

 
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