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I may have an opportunity to buy an extremely low mileage 1998 Honda CBR1100XX. It is carbureted. Later Blackbirds I'm considering with higher mileage are fuel injected. The 1998 is virtually, almost literally "new" the miles are so low. Any downsides to having a cabureted bike when FI alternatives are available?

 
I may have an opportunity to buy an extremely low mileage 1998 Honda CBR1100XX. It is carbureted. Later Blackbirds I'm considering with higher mileage are fuel injected. The 1998 is virtually, almost literally "new" the miles are so low. Any downsides to having a cabureted bike when FI alternatives are available?

Technically FI and normally asperated are the same. 'Normally asperated' differentiates between super/turbo charged and non super/turbo charged. At least that's what I was taught in A&P school years ago.

Carbureted bikes are not bad, though I think require a bit more maintenance and tend to vent more vapors creating that wonderful gasoline aroma. FI bikes are generally maintenance free. Unless your stuck on wanting FI, I wouldn't worry about it.

 
I have a fuel injected bike and a carbureted one. As far as rideability the FI ones have come a long way in throttle response and work fairly well. Reliability wise I have not had issues either way. I have had a carbureted bike gum up when I let gas sit in the bowls two long. It was my fault but the mechanic I took it to made things worse and then couldn't get back to it and finally went out of business. I then cleaned and rebuilt them myself and had no problem after that. I am sure you can gum up injectors too and the fix is to run cleaner through or by new ones it the cleaner doesn't work. I haven't had very good luck with auto Fuel injectors when they were rebuilt.

Performance mods. It is easier to mod a FI bike (more expensive) using a power commander or such. A carb you have to take apart, change jets, adjust needs, and set the mixture screws.

Hope this helps

 
Fuel Injection (F.I.) is "normally aspirated" -- unless combined with "Forced Induction" (Supercharger or Turbocharger).

As to the comparison/choice between carbs and F.I.: Carburettors are a compromise -- but, less of a compromise as they become more complicated (more circuits). F.I. has the ability to be precise all the time (precisely wrong, too) -- more 'all the time' with more computer capacity.

In the car world, almost nobody wants a used vehicle with a carb. :(

 
I guess I am showing my ignorance (once more). I thought normally aspirated meant carbureted, but oh well.

I had a carbureted FZ1 back in 2003 to 2005. It ran like a scalded rat. I rode it all over the place with no problems. I never had it in the mountains though. Any reason to think that the carbureted Blackbird would run too rich in high elevations?

Your insights are appreciated.

 
Get the bike. FI vs. carbs is a non-issue. There advantages and disadvantages for both. In the end both work very well.

 
I believe that the carbed Birds actually had a bit more pep than the FI models. I have an '01 Bird which is FI. Personally I would never buy another non-fi bike again if I could help it. Carbs are just another thing to go wrong and can cause all kinds of angst. I've never really had any problems and just sold my Valk that had six carbs but I was always waiting for the telltale missing of a plugged jet or gummed up bowl. Birds are very reliable and you probably will never have a problem. To me though, a carb is just one more potential problem I don't feel like dealing with even though I do all my own wrenching.

 
One of my riding buddies has a '97 'Bird-runs great.. has about 40 k on it now.You should definitly change the cam chain tensioner[about $40] if it hasn't already been upgraded as the spring inside will break sooner or later and that could run into serious money!

 
I may have an opportunity to buy an extremely low mileage 1998 Honda CBR1100XX. It is carbureted. Later Blackbirds I'm considering with higher mileage are fuel injected. The 1998 is virtually, almost literally "new" the miles are so low. Any downsides to having a cabureted bike when FI alternatives are available?
A 10 year old bike with 'reall low' miles gives me pause. I am under the firm opinion that 'sitting' is bad for any vehicle. The most problematic bike I have ever had was an 12 year old Concours that I bought with only 10,000 miles. There was always some seal, or rubber hose or line going on that bike. Had more oil leaks than my Harley ever had. Also, depending on how the owner maintained it, you need to look at other fluids like clutch and brake because those systems in that Concours were full of crud! And, the interior of that fuel tank rusted and I had to treat it. And lastly, I had to replace the water pump at 40k miles or so and you could see by the obvious rust line where the top of the coolant level was and sat for a loooong time.

Yet now I have a 5 year old FJR with 160,000 miles that is ridden daily and it has been completely reliable.

Oh, and since the XX is a carb model, that obviously hasn't been used much I would be worrying about gum, varnish, or various other deposits in the fuel system.

 
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This 1998 Blackbird I'm considering is said to have 1,764 miles on it. I have asked the questions about hoses, tank rust, use of fuel stabilizer, etc. I'm told it was serviced in August 2007 with change of all fluids and oil. I have asked questions nine ways from Sunday and all the feedback from seller is positive. I will secure the service records if I can. The pictures of the bike are remarkable. It does look brand new. Seller says it runs great. I am 1300 miles distant from seller, which makes things easy.

 
The pictures of the bike are remarkable. It does look brand new. Seller says it runs great.
That 12 year old Concours I bought looked remarkable, and 'brand new'. I even got paperwork that showed that even though it was an 87 model, it wasn't actually sold until 1993. I took it for a test ride and it 'ran great'.

I'm just sayin..........

If they never rode it, how much time do you think they put into maintaining it?

 
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If I were to marry a 38 year old virgin, I guess I do have to ask myself, why is she still a virgin? Maybe she is just chaste. On the other hand, maybe there are unknown health and hygiene issues.

 
I owned a '97 XX (carbureted) and own a '03 XX now. For a few months, I had the two at the same time.

The carbureted Birds get slightly better gas mileage (and the fuel tank is about 0.3 gal. smaller, as well). The OEM pipes match different cylinders between the Carb and FI models, but most aftermarket pipes use the same pairing of downtubes as was on the Carb'd Bird (or maybe the FI -- can't remember??) for both FI and Carb Birds. If there's a difference in perception of power, it's probably there -- something about mid range vs. top end power that was the point for Honda when they changed that with the FI introduction.

I like FI primarily because I tend to ride widely varying elevations in a single ride. The FI compensates better, while the carbed bird jetted for 1200 feet is running rich above 6000 feet. But the carbed bird handles it well enough -- not at all like it lags or is gutless, even at 9000 feet. FI is a lot easier to change mixtures (like when adding an aftermarket pipe) via a simple map change in a Power Commander than getting into 4 carbs under the tank to install a jet kit.

The 2000 and later (or maybe 2001 and later) has the best instrument cluster setup of any bike I've been on. You get the all analog, somewhat small numbers, but adequate cluster setup with that '98.

Buy the thing if it's a good price. It'll probably go 200K miles -- well built and nearly bulletproof. The earlier birds tended to go through R/Rs (at least if it's ridden mostly short hops where it's getting a workout and heat loading -- poorly finned for heat dissipation), and the common fix was to wire one from a Yamaha R1 in its place. Cam chain tensioners are another easy fix of something that tends to go out making some noise sooner or later. Other than that, make sure the rubber is good and you've got a great bike, probably for short $$.

 
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