FJR Fees

[N4HHE]

OMG.. I'm never buying another Yamaha ever again!

Of course not! This one is going to last forever!

 

[Gaoler]

Well... it'll probably be my last bike.

I figure I have about ten years left in me for two wheels... After that... I'll probably get one of those 3-wheeled CanAm abortions and then, as a result I'll be murdered by my riding friends.

 

[AdamK]

D&H sells the 2016 FJR1300A for $14,599. Dealer cost including the shipping fee is $13,858. That's about 85% of MSRP. The dealer also gets a 3% of MSRP, $492, dealer hold back at the end of the year. D&H does not charge an addition setup fee as they are making $1,142 at that price. The only additional cost is tax and license. I paid the comparable ES model price with no tax or license in AL. When the bike showed up in WA State I paid the tax and license here.

Your dealer is making money charging that base price and making additional profit by charging you shipping and setup fees. The paper work fee is legit as is tax and license if you live in that State. I don't feel the double dipping for shipping is ethical. Charging you for setup is legit, but obviously there are dealers that don't charge extra for it as it's a minimal cost.

 

[guyver60]

After doing some research and coming up with a price range I feel comfortable with, I negotiate only on an OTD price. That way they can do whatever they want with the numbers. I've seen some dealers drop the fees out in order to show I bought the vehicle at an almost retail price. When I was younger and buying cheaper used cars for cash, I would negotiate the price knowing tax and title/registration would be added. When I sat down to do the paperwork, I knew they would have the "doc" fee preprinted on the form which I saw ranging from $75 to hundreds of dollars. I would tell them I don't pay the doc fee, and they would tell me everyone had to pay it, or it was already on the form and they could not take it off. I then told them I don't pay a doc fee out of principle, and I was sorry for wasting their time. I found it was hard for them to argue with my "principle." They always left the fee on the form, but reduced the sale price of the car. Even on an OTD negotiated price, I've had the dealer try to tack on the doc fee, but my darn principle always got in the way of that.

I've used the same tactic with door to door salesmen. You know how trained they are to respond with all types of responses to people saying "not interested," but apparently they don't have a comeback when I say as a matter of principle I don't buy from anyone who comes to my house.

 

[AdamK]

^^^ Nothing wrong with that approach when buying.

When we compare deals here on the forum it's always nice to compare apples to apples. OTD pricing includes sales tax and license in your area which can vary quite a bit. Sales tax here in Seattle is nearly 10%, while it can be below 3% in rural areas. If a trade in is involved comparison numbers are virtually useless. The dealer can "adjust" the price of the new bike down to make the deal seem sweeter knowing he's making up for it by shorting the buyer on the trade-in.

This is why many people hate buying vehicle and why many dealers give the profession a bad name.

 

[SacramentoMike]

Begin Rant

^ This is why I don't like all of these bogus add-on fees. It's just another form of false advertising. It makes shopping around for "the best deal" impossible because you won't know really what all of the fees add up to until you have made the trip, and are sitting there in front of the paperwork ready to sign. And by that time you have too much time invested in the deal and are less likely to walk away. Which is exactly why they do it.

For some reason we allow vehicle sellers to get away with all sorts of false advertising and pricing shenanigans that any other type of merchant would get called out on. I love those $59 a month auto leases that they advertise boldly. Sure... just $59 dollars a month for two years (plus in the fine print $4999 down in cash or trade). The fact that the $5k is the equivalent of an additional $208 a month for the 2 year lease term, plus that they get that money up front, makes the advertising dishonest.

Is that the kind of business you want to be dealing with? One you know up front is trying to fool you? Even if you are too savvy and are not taken in by it, they are still trying.

Rant Over.

Completely agree, everywhere this kind of pricing and advertising is practiced. Just got back from a couple days on the coast--my wife found what seemed like a good deal through "Air B&B." The first thing that cheesed me off was finding out there was no second "B." Freaking B&B means bed and breakfast, right? Guess I should be happy they provided a bed.

So $80 per night for a fairly nice little apartment. Till I found out--on the way home--about the $25 dollar "housekeeping fee" and the $10 "set up fee." And of course the $20 "hospitality fee" which is mostly the local tax all hotels, motels and B&Bs (at least in Cali) charge beyond the published price. So $160, for two nights, plus, plus, plus. Not really a horrible deal for the place, but not what I thought we'd signed on for. AND no breakfast!

I know, kind of off-topic, but not really. It's all about deceptive advertising, IMO.