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temp357

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I can't believe that Yamaha would prevent us from printing this pdf. What an absolute bunch of BS. I'd rather not get grease on my original manual. Why provide this electronically if you are going to make it useless?

:(

thx for lisetening :)

 
You can start your own motorcycle company and adopt any policy you want. At least they don't charge for it.

 
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I can't believe that Yamaha would prevent us from printing this pdf. What an absolute bunch of BS. I'd rather not get grease on my original manual. Why provide this electronically if you are going to make it useless?
:(

thx for lisetening :)

Simple solution. Buy a second manual. How much can it cost?

Sorry, Iggy and I prolly haven't helped very much.

Just consider it some "tough love".

;)

 
Thank you, very insightfull :huh:

Where there is a will, there is a way. Took digital pictures of the monitor and printed them out. :rolleyes:

 
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Am I missing something here? The link goes to a site where you can get a copy of the OWNERS MANUAL, not the shop manual. I got the fairly useless owner manual with my bike, as I would assume anyone else would... What are you talking about here?

KM

 
Thank you, very insightfull :huh:
Where there is a will, there is a way. Took digital pictures of the monitor and printed them out. :rolleyes:

Wouldn't it have been easier to take digi pics of the actual owner's manual pages? Or photocopy them?

Bueller?

:blink:

 
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Am I missing something here? The link goes to a site where you can get a copy of the OWNERS MANUAL, not the shop manual. I got the fairly useless owner manual with my bike, as I would assume anyone else would... What are you talking about here?
KM
that's exactly my point! it's a practically useless owners manual. what's the big deal about letting us print it!

 
Am I missing something here? The link goes to a site where you can get a copy of the OWNERS MANUAL, not the shop manual. I got the fairly useless owner manual with my bike, as I would assume anyone else would... What are you talking about here?

KM
that's exactly my point! it's a practically useless owners manual. what's the big deal about letting us print it!

Simple. Copyright laws and legal liability. Call a lawyer and have him 'splain it to you. ;)

 
Where's rad with the proper response to this topic? Hey, twn...how's the gerbil farm holding up?

 
I was more interested in eating them....of course, not after they've "gone down the hallway". I was hoping he had surplus he wasn't going to use.

 
that's exactly my point! it's a practically useless owners manual. what's the big deal about letting us print it!
"Practically useless" yet you've gone to the bother of taking pictures of screens? :blink:

It must be a conspiracy then. Yamaha fortold the future thinking, "Let's screw with this temp357 guy in 2006 by setting our pdf to block printing. A completely useless manual yet we can choose in Adobe Writer which things to allow and disallow. I'll bet he even vents on a forum for which nobody else has a clue."

Or maybe the reason is much more simple.

They charge $30 for a printed owners manual here

Congratulations. You committed copyright infringement and have stolen yourself a useless manual.

Yamaha will see this and then yank the electronic copy for the rest of us that were using them according to the terms they set forth.

How's that new company working out?

 
that's exactly my point! it's a practically useless owners manual. what's the big deal about letting us print it!
"Practically useless" yet you've gone to the bother of taking pictures of screens? :blink:

It must be a conspiracy then. Yamaha fortold the future thinking, "Let's screw with this temp357 guy in 2006 by setting our pdf to block printing. A completely useless manual yet we can choose in Adobe Writer which things to allow and disallow. I'll bet he even vents on a forum for which nobody else has a clue."

Or maybe the reason is much more simple.

They charge $30 for a printed owners manual here

Congratulations. You committed copyright infringement and have stolen yourself a useless manual.

Yamaha will see this and then yank the electronic copy for the rest of us that were using them according to the terms they set forth.

How's that new company working out?
Fair use under United States law

The legal concept of "copyright" was first ratified by the United Kingdom's Statute of Anne of 1709. As room was not made for the unauthorized reproduction of copyrighted content within this newly formulated statutory right, the courts gradually created a doctrine of "fair abridgement", which later became "fair use", that recognized the utility of such actions. The doctrine only existed in the U.S. as common law until it was incorporated into the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 107, excerpted here:

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.[1]

Let's see,

nonprofit educational purposes - Check

already provide a free copy by yamaha - Check

amount and substaintiality of the portion used - not copying the whole book just a few pages - Check

the effect of the use on the potential market - we already established that the manual is practically worthless - Check

:D

:assassin:

P.S. is wikipedia going to come after me for quoting their stuff?

 
Oooh. I haven't picked apart a batch of faulty logic in a while. Let's have some fun.

Let's see,nonprofit educational purposes - Check
Marginal Check. Just what specific educational purpose is it? Are you teaching a course? If you claim it's your own knowledge I guess I'd accept that with rolling eyes.

already provide a free copy by yamaha - Check
Wrong! Yamaha provides a copy for viewing on a PC. It does not provide a copy for printing. It explicity disallows that. It charges for a printed copy.

amount and substaintiality of the portion used - not copying the whole book just a few pages - Check
This is fine. I got the impression from your original post that you were trying to print the whole thing. You said "printing this .pdf" which implies the whole thing. Glad you clarified.

the effect of the use on the potential market - we already established that the manual is practically worthless - Check
Wrong again. Nobody has established it's worthless. You keep saying it, but if anything you've proven that it's worth something if you've bothered to print it. Or, are you just crazy?

P.S. is wikipedia going to come after me for quoting their stuff?
Now I totally know that you don't understand copyright law. No, Wikipedia does not work on traditional copyright law and has not claimed a traditional copyright. In fact they use a GNU Free Documentation License that is sometimes known as CopyLeft. They've deliberately invoked a non-traditional form or copyright that encourages distribution with attribution. You're comparing an apple to an orange.

Have fun stealing protected works. Have you decided what to name your new motorcycle company? Where can I download manuals and print them?

 
Ooooh, Iggy puttin' the smack down on, big time! Now all we need is Mean Gene Okerland to do the play by's. :D

Oh, by the way, Wikipedia? Not the most reliable of sources, course I read that on the in'ernet. ;)

 
Ooooh, Iggy puttin' the smack down on, big time!
I don't get into jousts very often, but this one just gets me riled.

I feel kind of stupid over something so petty though. I think it's the ignorance and arrogance. Or, maybe because it's partly because I'm an Adobe represenative and get computer support requests from users to circumvent document security settings. I pleasently help them find the author and when they say, "I already asked, but they won't open it up."

I get to laugh at them and say they're the owner. Case closed.

Sure I got the skillz to hack it and this probably is not even on Yamaha's radar, but I get annoyed when people openly break the law and suggest document authors have to prove to their satisfaction why something is locked is just plain ignorance. Then when they feel emboldened like some digital Robin Hood to rip it off I just shake my head.

If you're going to hack something.....keep it frickin' quiet. IP addresses are not that hard to track.

It's time for injection now..... :dribble:

 
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