FZ8 vs FZ-09

[MEM]

Think FJRLite...

...only if an FJR had a 4 Gallon gas tank...If you really want to travel, this bike does not open the door for that. It sounds fun...but only if you trailer this bike to a fun area and base out of a central point and trailer it back home.If yer gonna do that, don't you want an R6 instead?

Ummmmm, Mark....if it's only rumor/speculation/under consideration at this stage.....how are you so bloody sure that "...If you really want to travel, this bike does not open the door for that. " ?? :blink: (if I've misread and you're referring to the FZ-09, well then, my bad )

I'm with Fred on this (like I usually am ).

For reasons obvious to anyone who knows me (referring to size, not riding ability), I'd be all over an FJR800 like a fat kid on a Smartie :yahoo:

 

[ionbeam]

Toy, yes. Replacement for FJR, chigau. I suspect that you would notice the wind & weather and wouldn't be able to carry too many changes of BVDs. If you were to put on a windshield or add baggage then you are adding pounds which defeats the purpose of the light weight bike.

I notice that for a sport oriented bike it is tall. Somebody needs to check the brakes and be sure they are the 'late/deep braking' type.

Wheaties, give in to your inner susceptibility and melt from the song the marketing department is so sweetly singing that you you really want a Ducati Yamaha hypermotard. Their research says so and you wouldn't want to left out, would you?

 

[Fred W]

60mpg? wow.

Did you not read "if" in front of that? 60 mpg would not be beyond reason but I suspect it will be between that and what the FJR gets.

 

[Fred W]

Toy, yes. Replacement for FJR, chigau. I suspect that you would notice the wind & weather and wouldn't be able to carry too many changes of BVDs. If you were to put on a windshield or add baggage then you are adding pounds which defeats the purpose of the light weight bike.
I notice that for a sport oriented bike it is tall. Somebody needs to check the brakes and be sure they are the 'late/deep braking' type.

Wheaties, give in to your inner susceptibility and melt from the song the marketing department is so sweetly singing that you you really want a Ducati Yamaha hypermotard. Their research says so and you wouldn't want to left out, would you?

Who ever said this was a direct replacement for an FJR? Is that automatically inferred every time anyone discusses any other bike than the FJR? Supplement would be a better term.
And what makes it any more of a toy than the FJR is? Yes, less wind and weather protection, just like many, many other motorcycles. In these warm summer months a little less of that would be quite welcome. Would it be fun to ride? Probably, so does that make it a toy?

It is a tall and upright seating posture bike,just like the others in that class. It obviously isn't a traditional crotch rocket sport bike. And with 200 fewer pounds to bring to a halt I'd suspect the braking will be a lot better than our FJRs. It appears that they have put some money into the suspension, but only time and road tests will tell.

I guess that if you don't see a use for this kind of bike for you then it wouldn't be very appealing. In that case I'd suggest not looking at them and just keep on doing whatever it is at you are now doing that makes you happy.

Geeze...

 

[ionbeam]

Theirs been rumors of an 800cc FJR....

Theirs been rumors of an 800cc FJR...

...Think FJRLite....I'm pretty sure I'll be buying a 'replacement' for the FJR in the next year. Will it be a GenIII or the FJRLite? Who knows. Time'll tell. But I'd love a 'mid-size' (read lighter) FJR...

Think FJRLite...

...For reasons obvious to anyone who knows me (referring to size, not riding ability), I'd be all over an FJR800 like a fat kid on a Smartie

Toy, yes. Replacement for FJR, chigau...

Who ever said this was a direct replacement for an FJR? Is that automatically inferred every time anyone discusses any other bike than the FJR? Supplement would be a better term

Semantics. I wasn't saying that other posters though it to be a direct replacement. It is in no way a replacement. Apples and sheep, err, hooligans and multi-function mile eaters.

I thought that chigau was a well though out word.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Fred,

I'm with everybody who thinks this is a fun machine.

I was just raising my hand in the air and saying that it aint no sport touring machine, so those thinking of replacing their FJR with this need to get their head out of their ass think more clearly....this is more of a local streetfighter (whatever the heck that is).

Looks fun...I might be into it...when the move down south has been completed. I will want to test ride a number of midsize sporty bikes before choosing what my twisty solo day rider bike will be.

I've never had two bikes in my life...it's always been one...so it's always been big. So I look forward to reviewing and finding out what I like.

 

[russperry]

I'm in the "might be fun" camp on this one, but I'll bet MPG is nowhere near 60 - my FZ1 (admittedly tricked out for power) gets me 32ish in mainly freeway commuting mode, and in the high 20's when riding it hard. In stock trim and taking it really easy on the throttle maybe you'll get 50 with this triple, but why bother? If you ride it like you stole it I bet you'll end up with maybe upper 30's to mid 40's - allow yourself 20 miles before empty and you're probably looking at 120-130 miles between gas stops.

I think if you want a lighter weight sport-touring bike then the Beemer F800ST might be the best option out there...

 

[Fred W]

Fred,I'm with everybody who thinks this is a fun machine.I was just raising my hand in the air and saying that it aint no sport touring machine, so those thinking of replacing their FJR with this need to get their head out of their ass think more clearly....this is more of a local streetfighter (whatever the heck that is).Looks fun...I might be into it...when the move down south has been completed. I will want to test ride a number of midsize sporty bikes before choosing what my twisty solo day rider bike will be.I've never had two bikes in my life...it's always been one...so it's always been big. So I look forward to reviewing and finding out what I like.

My point Mark, is that the FJR isn't the consummate sport touring bike. Yeah, it's got the touring thing down, and yeah you can sport it with some added effort. It's like the emperors clothes around here sometimes. I love my FJR as much as the next guy, but on the nifty flickable scale, it suffers badly. Sport touring may not mean the same thing to everyone, but your definition isn't the original one. Sport touring was originally a sport bike with minimal accommodations to touring.
I'm not sure who needs to get their heads out of their *****, but I think maybe your opinion isn't necessarily the only or most correct one.

 

[HotRodZilla]

**** it...I'm gonna buy a Wing!

 

[wabill]

I'm interested in comparing the FZ-09 to my current triple, which besides being my favored in town ride, does quite well as a long distance hauler.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Fred,I'm with everybody who thinks this is a fun machine.I was just raising my hand in the air and saying that it aint no sport touring machine, so those thinking of replacing their FJR with this need to get their head out of their ass think more clearly....this is more of a local streetfighter (whatever the heck that is).Looks fun...I might be into it...when the move down south has been completed. I will want to test ride a number of midsize sporty bikes before choosing what my twisty solo day rider bike will be.I've never had two bikes in my life...it's always been one...so it's always been big. So I look forward to reviewing and finding out what I like.

My point Mark, is that the FJR isn't the consummate sport touring bike. Yeah, it's got the touring thing down, and yeah you can sport it with some added effort. It's like the emperors clothes around here sometimes. I love my FJR as much as the next guy, but on the nifty flickable scale, it suffers badly. Sport touring may not mean the same thing to everyone, but your definition isn't the original one. Sport touring was originally a sport bike with minimal accommodations to touring.
I'm not sure who needs to get their heads out of their *****, but I think maybe your opinion isn't necessarily the only or most correct one.

Fair enough. I know I could tour, and would tour, on just about anything on a dare...just to do it...so long as I get to say where and when the day stops.

I think these are the kind of discussions, that in person, and over a beer...would take about 10 minutes max to work out.

Kinda like describing in a written essay the proper way to tie a shoelace to someone whose never done it. Lot easier done (in person) than said.

 

[wheatonFJR]

**** it...I'm gonna buy a Wing!

You and your dufus friend bugnatr...

 

[Bugnatr]

**** it...I'm gonna buy a Wing!

You and your dufus friend bugnatr...

Now we're cooking with gas!

I think the 20 something crowd will like the street fighter look of the new bike. Seems like a lot of them go that route with the FZ1

 

[Geezer]

I would be very surprised if this three cylinder engine is intended to be built in only one size and put in only one frame. I expect that it will be offered in a size and frame more like our beloved FJR. After all, our engine, as nice as it is, has not changed for many years and is overdue. My only question is whether it will have a chain or shaft.

 

[ndivita]

I am married to my FJR.

I confess I am just a man, so I may look at other bikes now and then, but I also know the good far outweighs the bad with my FJR; I have plenty of deficiencies too and it is very forgiving of them. I also know while there might be other bikes temporarily more alluring, and while the grass might seem greener with another bike from time to time, the truth is that my FJR has always been faithful and, most importantly, all the motorports excitement, fun and reliability I could ever ask for resides in my very own garage. I need look no further.

My FJR makes me want to be a better man rider.

We plan to renew our vows next month.

Full disclosure: I did trade in my 2005 FJR for a 2013 model, If this makes the above null and void, so be it.

 

[Fred W]

You do realize that monogamy was invented by the women and weaklings of society. The natural order of things is the dominant male has his way with as many females as he can as a means to propagate the strongest genes and weed out the weaklings.

It's the same with motorbikes. There is no reason one has to be married to a single bike, when there are so many others out there with varying aptitudes and abilities. Well... There is one reason: The depth of ones own pocketbook.

As for this being solved in 10 minutes over a beer, I don't think that there are any right or wrong answers here, so the discussion over that beer would likely be just as long and equally unsolvable.

 

[Chiefblueman]

I am married to my FJR.
I confess I am just a man, so I may look at other bikes now and then, but I also know the good far outweighs the bad with my FJR; I have plenty of deficiencies too and it is very forgiving of them. I also know while there might be other bikes temporarily more alluring, and while the grass might seem greener with another bike from time to time, the truth is that my FJR has always been faithful and, most importantly, all the motorports excitement, fun and reliability I could ever ask for resides in my very own garage. I need look no further.

My FJR makes me want to be a better man rider.

We plan to renew our vows next month.

Full disclosure: I did trade in my 2005 FJR for a 2013 model, If this makes the above null and void, so be it.

I hold you solely responsible for the diet Coke that was just sprayed on my screen and keyboard, my friend.

Fact is, FJR ticks a lot of boxes. It's kind of like a Swiss Army Knife. The SAF is a pretty damn good knife. As a screwdriver, not so great but gets the job done. I love my FJR but there will be no nuptials.

I would like to ride the FZ 9 back to back with my 1st gen FZ1.

 

[ndivita]

You do realize that monogamy was invented by the women and weaklings of society. The natural order of things is the dominant male has his way with as many females as he can as a means to propagate the strongest genes and weed out the weaklings.
It's the same with motorbikes. There is no reason one has to be married to a single bike, when there are so many others out there with varying aptitudes and abilities. Well... There is one reason: The depth of ones own pocketbook.

As for this being solved in 10 minutes over a beer, I don't think that there are any right or wrong answers here, so the discussion over that beer would likely be just as long and equally unsolvable.

If you're suggesting marriage runs contrary to natural behavior you'll get no argument from me. If you're suggesting that's iuniformly bad, then we have a debate on our hands. It's also natural to **** our pants.

 

[verranth]

My first bike, right after completing the MSF course was is the FZ600R (FZ6R)

I was thinking of selling it, as I need more money. I just had my deck redone with new floor boards and hand rails, and one of my two refrigerators croaked.

Point is, I rode the FZ6R back to my brother's garage to keep it clean and safe while I decide how to go about selling it. After the short (20 min) ride to his place, I got off the bike thinking..."I cant sell this, it's way too much fun!" Which made me think of the FJR and it's comforts, but also brought into focus how much of a piggy it is.

This was about a month ago. I have yet to buy another refrigerator, and I still have both bikes. Maybe I'll sell it next year. Or worse, maybe I'll trade it for a FZ1. As much as I would like to take out a FZ-9, it's probably too tall. And, the FZ6R is about the same weight, more sleek looking (i like the plastic), and quite flickable.

As long as I plan on doing multi-day trips, I'm not selling the FJR....with one exception, if the future misses gets her endorsement. Then we'll get a CanAm Spyder, cause that's what she fell in love with. Even then, I hope to be financially able to keep piggy with me.