QuikSilver
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Short Version:
My Gen III 2013 FJR 1300 EFI system has significantly degraded from “absolutely superb” at delivery and through the first 5000 miles. Now, at 6000 miles, I am experiencing annoying off/on throttle abruptness which is particularly nasty in first gear and in the twisties. I also observe slight surging and hunting going downhill w/ the cruise control on (much less so with the cruise off).
Anybody observed this in Gen IIIs? If so what was the diagnosis and resolution? Anybody know how to test the TPS w/ the built in diagnostic on a Gen III?
Note – I live in high and dry New Mexico, but I spent two weeks in Key West and Cocoa Beach Florida last October on the FJR. The salty atmosphere partially rusted a number of chromed screws and I am suspicious that that the salty atmosphere may also have degraded electrical contacts in the EFI/TPS/Throttle By Wire control system sensors that contributes to the erratic behavior I have observed.
The purpose of my inquiry is to see if any other 2013 FJR owners have experienced this degradation, and, if so, what was the diagnosis, how was it diagnosed, and were you able to get the problem cured.
Thanks in advance.
QuikSilver
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Longer, more detailed version
With over 100,000 miles on my 2003 FJR 1300, I test drove and subsequently purchased a 2013 FJR.
At purchase time, the EFI system my new 2013 Gen III FJR 1300 was outstanding, (if not amazing!!) as was that on the demonstrator I rode before purchase. It absolutely had the best EFI system of the 150 EFI bikes I have ridden in the last 10 years. Absolutely superb!! My observation is substantiated by reviews from several of the top motorcycle magazines (Motorcycle Consumer News, Sport Rider, Cycle World, …) which led me to buy the 2013 (as opposed to a used, very low mileage Generation II FJR for many thousands of dollars less).
Initially, the throttle response was exquisite. No abruptness , no hunting or surge. Just clean linear throttle response. Now, 1 year later with only 6000 miles on the clock, things have changed. Initial on/off throttle response is very abrupt (and annoying) as is on/off throttle response in the twisties. FJRs have a little driveline snatch, but this new on/off abruptness in throttle response greatly exaggerates the situation and is very annoying.
My warranty is expiring in the next few weeks and I will be taking the FJR in for evaluation. My concern is that they will say everything is working fine. And to some degree, I would agree as the EFI is still Very Good to Excellent, in an absolute sense, but significantly degraded from the superb performance when purchased. The originally outstanding cruise control is also slightly erratic when going down steep hills and is “hunting” up and down in a slight surging fashion to sustain the set speed. I now can actually control my speed downhill better with my wrist with the cruise control off, whereas before the cruise control was extremely smooth and seamless, up or down hills.
The purpose of my inquiry is to see if any other 2013 FJR owners have experienced this degradation, and, if so, what was the diagnosis, how was it diagnosed, and were you able to get the problem cured.
I had a somewhat similar problem (but not exactly the same problem) on my 2003 FJR that was diagnosed by IonBeam. It was a throttle position sensor issue that the dealer was amazed that IonBeam’s diagnostics could detect. I don’t have a 2013 Shop Manual, so I don’t know how to do the TPS diagnostic. I am hoping that someone else has seen this problem and has a proposed solution.
Additional Information: FYI - I did spend two weeks last year with the 2013 FJR in Key West and Cocoa Beach, Fl. The salt in the atmosphere caused rust on the heads of the screws that attach the rotors to the front wheel. I am suspicious that that the salty atmosphere may also have degraded electrical contacts in the EFI/TPS/Throttle By Wire control system sensors that contributes to the erratic behavior I have observed. Thus, input from people who live by, or have visited, beaches would be of particular interest. I believe this will be difficult issue for a dealer to diagnose, but I would greatly appreciate any insight this forum could provide.
My Gen III 2013 FJR 1300 EFI system has significantly degraded from “absolutely superb” at delivery and through the first 5000 miles. Now, at 6000 miles, I am experiencing annoying off/on throttle abruptness which is particularly nasty in first gear and in the twisties. I also observe slight surging and hunting going downhill w/ the cruise control on (much less so with the cruise off).
Anybody observed this in Gen IIIs? If so what was the diagnosis and resolution? Anybody know how to test the TPS w/ the built in diagnostic on a Gen III?
Note – I live in high and dry New Mexico, but I spent two weeks in Key West and Cocoa Beach Florida last October on the FJR. The salty atmosphere partially rusted a number of chromed screws and I am suspicious that that the salty atmosphere may also have degraded electrical contacts in the EFI/TPS/Throttle By Wire control system sensors that contributes to the erratic behavior I have observed.
The purpose of my inquiry is to see if any other 2013 FJR owners have experienced this degradation, and, if so, what was the diagnosis, how was it diagnosed, and were you able to get the problem cured.
Thanks in advance.
QuikSilver
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Longer, more detailed version
With over 100,000 miles on my 2003 FJR 1300, I test drove and subsequently purchased a 2013 FJR.
At purchase time, the EFI system my new 2013 Gen III FJR 1300 was outstanding, (if not amazing!!) as was that on the demonstrator I rode before purchase. It absolutely had the best EFI system of the 150 EFI bikes I have ridden in the last 10 years. Absolutely superb!! My observation is substantiated by reviews from several of the top motorcycle magazines (Motorcycle Consumer News, Sport Rider, Cycle World, …) which led me to buy the 2013 (as opposed to a used, very low mileage Generation II FJR for many thousands of dollars less).
Initially, the throttle response was exquisite. No abruptness , no hunting or surge. Just clean linear throttle response. Now, 1 year later with only 6000 miles on the clock, things have changed. Initial on/off throttle response is very abrupt (and annoying) as is on/off throttle response in the twisties. FJRs have a little driveline snatch, but this new on/off abruptness in throttle response greatly exaggerates the situation and is very annoying.
My warranty is expiring in the next few weeks and I will be taking the FJR in for evaluation. My concern is that they will say everything is working fine. And to some degree, I would agree as the EFI is still Very Good to Excellent, in an absolute sense, but significantly degraded from the superb performance when purchased. The originally outstanding cruise control is also slightly erratic when going down steep hills and is “hunting” up and down in a slight surging fashion to sustain the set speed. I now can actually control my speed downhill better with my wrist with the cruise control off, whereas before the cruise control was extremely smooth and seamless, up or down hills.
The purpose of my inquiry is to see if any other 2013 FJR owners have experienced this degradation, and, if so, what was the diagnosis, how was it diagnosed, and were you able to get the problem cured.
I had a somewhat similar problem (but not exactly the same problem) on my 2003 FJR that was diagnosed by IonBeam. It was a throttle position sensor issue that the dealer was amazed that IonBeam’s diagnostics could detect. I don’t have a 2013 Shop Manual, so I don’t know how to do the TPS diagnostic. I am hoping that someone else has seen this problem and has a proposed solution.
Additional Information: FYI - I did spend two weeks last year with the 2013 FJR in Key West and Cocoa Beach, Fl. The salt in the atmosphere caused rust on the heads of the screws that attach the rotors to the front wheel. I am suspicious that that the salty atmosphere may also have degraded electrical contacts in the EFI/TPS/Throttle By Wire control system sensors that contributes to the erratic behavior I have observed. Thus, input from people who live by, or have visited, beaches would be of particular interest. I believe this will be difficult issue for a dealer to diagnose, but I would greatly appreciate any insight this forum could provide.
