Glitch after oil change

[Slappy]

The bike is still young and funny things are going to happen during the break in process I understand this. Months ago I took the bike in for its 600 mile service. At that time the shop put in Spectro 10/40. Made the engine and transmission louder than a tank during D-Day. So I drained it and replaced the oil with Mobil1 15/50 and put a new filter on. Immediately I had an issue shifting from 1st to 2nd. The bike clunks like its suppose to but it puts itself into neutral. A quick pull of the clutch and a quich shift and it goes into second. This lasts about 1,000 miles then goes away. Well, at 5K I just changed the oil and filter with the same Mobil1 15/50 and a new filter and I am getting the same issue. I have almost put 1,000 miles on the oil and the issue is going away. I am just curious what people think is going on.

Before I changes the oil this last time I almost didnt change it becase the bike was shifting perfectly. No abnormal vibrations and no unusual noises from the engine or transmission. Anyone else have anything like this going on with them? Before all the oil geeks go crazy 15/50 gold cap does not have friction modifiers. The clutch is not slipping nor is the bike acting in any way unusual other than not shifting into gear without a second effort. Nor is it difficult to shift into gears, not does the bike automatically shift itself out of second gear. Just for information purposes I am a hard shifter but I usually shift the bike in traffic in the 3-3.5K rpm range.

Most input will be greatly appreciated. The rest, well, its input and beggers cannot be choosers.

 

[cougar8000]

Well, before you get really slam down, I will pu my 2 cents. Have you tried motorcycle oil? h34r:

 

[Jetmaker737]

Well, before you get really slam down, I will pu my 2 cents. Have you tried motorcycle oil? h34r:

Spectro is MC oil.

 

[Slappy]

Ummmm No. Please tell me why that would make a difference. I could understand if the clutch were slipping or something else were not right but that is not the case in this instance.

 

[dbvolfan]

At least you put oil back in...guy I know changed his oil but forgot to fill it back up....things didnt turn out good for his car engine.

Big difference between mc oil and car oil

 

[FJRBluesman]

Hmmmm. Your probably pulling in the clutch lever all the way; probably not short shifting it; I'm stumped! :huh:

Why it only does it when the oil is fresh is interesting. Could it be that you are more sensitive to it after the oil change Vs as time goes on you get used to it or....?

I'm really baffled and waiting for others to chime in. I've never heard of such issues.

 

[Slappy]

Putting oil back in is never an issue, overfilling wellll thats another story.

Bluesmanfjr I ride it the same way every time. Sometimes traffic doesnt let me rev as high as I would like but other than that I am pretty consistant. If anything I would be harder on it with fresh blood.

What is the second gear issue?

I pulled away from a light and shifted to second at a very low rpm, 2k and it did the very same thing. At the next light I went to 4k and no problem. This happens when bike is warm and cold.

 

[Jagermeister]

Since were on the oil topic, here's my first suggestion: Clicky

Perhaps having your clutch plates soaked would help? Some here have done that, covered by Yama-Warranty.

 

[jjsC6]

I've been running Mobil 1 in mine for about 25,000 miles now with no problems.

The fact that it goes away does make me wonder if you are overfilling it, as someone mentioned.

 

[gasportrider]

I've been running Amsoil 10W40 since the 600 mile change and have no shifting problems with my '08. It also clutchless upshifts as smooth as my Gixxer.

Give the stuff a whirl for comparison's sake. It is comparatively cheap when purchased by the case from Amsoil.

 

[LAGO RUNNER]

you know you can get yamalube from FJR goodies for not much more if not less? when checking your oil level be sure to get it nice and hot, before you top off..

 

[Checkswrecks]

Same Mobil1 15/50 for over 20K miles and works great. I'm also wondering if you are having a residue issue sticking your clutch plates togehter at least initially.

 

[Pioneer007]

My 07 does the same thing when the oil is changed. Shift

issues after the oil/filter change. I dont have weird engine or tranny noises, just notchy shifting.

The transmission shifting becomes notchy and very mechanical sounding.

Shifting into 1st gear at times will clickity click click click click click clickty clickity click then drop in gear.

Shifting under aceleration from 1st to 2nd I sometimes see neutral indicator

then it hits second.

Toward the latter part of my 3k oil changes everything starts working perfectly and smooth.

I run Rottella synthetic.

My .02

 

[Slappy]

Jager wouldnt sticking plates happen all the time whether new or old oil? Why would the issue go away when the oil is dirty? I am wondering if the bike just needs more time to break in.

 

[old&slow]

The bike is still young and funny things are going to happen during the break in process I understand this. Months ago I took the bike in for its 600 mile service. At that time the shop put in Spectro 10/40. Made the engine and transmission louder than a tank during D-Day. So I drained it and replaced the oil with Mobil1 15/50 and put a new filter on. Immediately I had an issue shifting from 1st to 2nd. The bike clunks like its suppose to but it puts itself into neutral. A quick pull of the clutch and a quich shift and it goes into second. This lasts about 1,000 miles then goes away. Well, at 5K I just changed the oil and filter with the same Mobil1 15/50 and a new filter and I am getting the same issue. I have almost put 1,000 miles on the oil and the issue is going away. I am just curious what people think is going on. Before I changes the oil this last time I almost didnt change it becase the bike was shifting perfectly. No abnormal vibrations and no unusual noises from the engine or transmission. Anyone else have anything like this going on with them? Before all the oil geeks go crazy 15/50 gold cap does not have friction modifiers. The clutch is not slipping nor is the bike acting in any way unusual other than not shifting into gear without a second effort. Nor is it difficult to shift into gears, not does the bike automatically shift itself out of second gear. Just for information purposes I am a hard shifter but I usually shift the bike in traffic in the 3-3.5K rpm range.

Most input will be greatly appreciated. The rest, well, its input and beggers cannot be choosers.

I noticed something similar on my 08 when I changed the oil and put in Chevron Delo 400 15w40.... Right after I changed the oil didn't seem to want to shift "right".

Started holding the clutch in for about 30 seconds when I first started it,,, it seemed to help,,, several 100 miles since the oil change and now it

doesn't seem to be doing it... I have NO idea ,,, I thought it was the Delo oil ..... maybe not...

 

[Slappy]

Pioneer how many miles do you have on your bike? I am really begining to wonder if its just a need to break something in. Why else would it be fine after the oil gets dirty and allows for more friction?

 

[Slappy]

I have an answer. After talking to three Harley riders and two metric riders that all have done complete teardowns of their bikes and have been riding since the 60's all say the same thing. I put synthetic in to soon and the shift forks need more time to break in. They all agree the glitch will clear up in time.

So now we all know. after all who knows more about fixing a bike than a Harley rider?

 

[bikerkash]

It's a new bike and the recomended oil is a 10w 40 and you use a 15w 50? Also if you look in the manual there are certain specs of 10w 40 oils they do not recommend. Sure seems to me it would be a safe thing to either go by the manual and or what your dealer recommends.

 

[old&slow]

It's a new bike and the recomended oil is a 10w 40 and you use a 15w 50? Also if you look in the manual there are certain specs of 10w 40 oils they do not recommend. Sure seems to me it would be a safe thing to either go by the manual and or what your dealer recommends.

Had the 600 mile check-up done at the dealer's with their oil... Changed the oil again at 2000 miles with Chevron Delo 400 15w40 ( not 15w50) when I noticed the clutch / shifting problem...

Can't imagine the bike can tell the difference between recommended 20w40 and 15w40,,,,, ( by the way 20w40 is really hard to find and is the recommended oil for my 08 FJR)

I used Spectro,, Honda Golden ,,, Valvoline ,,, Castro ,,, Chevron Delo,,, Mobil 1 ,,, and others in my other bikes,,,,, haven't noticed much of a difference..

The next change is going to be Rotella T syn 5w40 ,,,,, guess we'll see what happens...

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