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Thats not really evan an FJR anymore.
+1 - it is not a motorcycle as we know and love them.

It is reputedly a very fast good handling sports car for a fraction of the price of a comparably performing Ferrari. Id like to take it for a spin.
Somebody "reputedly" is full of dookie. Sidecar bikes are neither very fast OR good handling. They can be tons of fun, but fast and good handling they are not. Turn left hard and the sidecar comes off the ground...no fun when the passenger smacks the piss out of you! Turn right hard and, well.....here's what Wikipedia has to say about it --

Understeer is a term for a car handling condition during cornering in which the circular path of the vehicle's motion is of a markedly greater diameter than the circle indicated by the direction its wheels are pointed. The effect is opposite to that of the oversteer and in simpler words understeer is the condition in which the front tires don't follow the trajectory the driver is trying to impose while taking the corner, instead following a more straight line trajectory.
As someone wrote in the forum recently...sometime in September if I recall correctly...once you handicap ANY motorcycle with that kind of dead weight and piss-poor handling, for the price, performance and handling, a late model Mazda Miata becomes a better choice for sporty dollars.

Oh, a comparably performing Ferrari? Reminds me of the early 70s when I regularly kicked the piss out of Ferraris and Porsche times in SCCA Solo-2 racing with my 75 Civic.

 
Very cool but I'm sure I saw a picture of a FJR hack in Europe years ago. Maybe a Merlin sidecar?

Sure there are Urals or converted airhead BMW's but both of those are slugs. I'd dig a hack some day, especially a modern take with a steerable outer wheel. Maybe when I'm ready to ride some other bike I'll convert the FJR instead of selling it.

 
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Seriously, had I been able to purchase my totalled '04 from the insurance man at a "reasonable" price, I thought about doing this very thing. Of course it wouldn't have been an FJR any longer, but it would have been relatively unique and a more interesting way to go grocery shopping (And you know I like to do THAT!).

And it would be a great garage companion for my '06!

Skyway, I think the bike frame attaches to the sidecar/front suspension framework. The basic idea is that your "power unit" is attached to the supplied chassis. The steering is very similar to the Yamaha GTS, so you keep your original steering through the framehead. Someplace I found a website that showed an FJR being converted but I've misplaced the link.

 
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High performance side car installation on an FJR: pictures start here.

FWIW - From the New York Times:

April 30, 2004

DRIVING; Not So Sedate: Sidecars Fitted for Speed

By GEORGE P. BLUMBERG

ROGER SYMINGTON is an apostle of speed who preaches a gospel of going faster on three wheels than most people can on four -- especially around corners.

Mr. Symington's vehicle of choice: a high-performance motorcycle sidecar (in his case, a Dutch-made EML), propelled by his hopped-up 172-horsepower Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird. ''I especially want younger people to get interested in how extremely near the edge sidecars can perform,'' said Mr. Symington, a 61-year-old retired van customizer from Hemmingford, Quebec. ''I ask them what kind of ride they want. Just a ride, or a real ride.''

Motorcycle sidecars aren't often thought of as thrill machines. More often they are seen as the middle-aged biker's accessory, added on for a nonbiking spouse, the luggage or even a pet. Indeed, Hal Kendall, a Houston-based sidecar authority and a co-founder of the United Sidecar Association, estimates there are as many as 100,000 traditional sidecars on American roads, but fewer than 200 high-performance rigs. ''On two or four wheels, if you see a 30 or 40 m.p.h. speed limit sign on curves, you always think you can beat it by 10 or 20 m.p.h.,'' he said. ''On a conventional sidecar, don't try, unless you know racing techniques.''

High-performance rigs, in contrast, ''dig in,'' corner flat, and grab the road. They mate to the motorcycle with more sophisticated suspensions. And the rig's tires and wheels are switched to a wider automotive type to better grip the road. With specially modified hub steering, the motorcycle wheel also turns the sidecar wheel (a conventional sidecar is just pulled along). The motorcycle is often a high-performance sport bike putting out close to 200 horsepower.

The result: ''It's like flying an aerobatic airplane without the wings,'' said Hal Walters, 53, a human resources manager at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, who flies planes in his spare time. Mr. Symington recently blasted him around the hairpin curves and bends of Route 276 and the Blue Ridge Parkway in the Smoky Mountains. ''I'd guess we were pulling one and a half G's or more in turns,'' Mr. Walters said. ''And I'm used to acceleration, but nothing like this.''

According to Mr. Kendall, sidecars date to the early 1900's, before inexpensive automobiles came on the market, and were used to add passenger room to the family motorcycle. Today, he said, they are mostly recreational. The high-performance models generally come from Europe, where they were developed for rally racing, and cost $16,000 or more -- which does not include getting the kit mounted on the motorcycle, a job that entails swapping wheels and suspension parts on the cycle for new ones, then hooking up the electrical, steering and braking systems. That can run as much as $3,500.

For Doug Miller, it was worth it. In 1993, Mr. Miller, a former motorcycle racing champion who had suffered a spine injury (unrelated to the sport) that meant he could not use his legs to balance on a bike or work foot controls, was taken for a ride in one of Mr. Symington's sidecar rigs and declared, ''I've got to get one. If you hear of a series of bank robberies by a guy in a wheelchair, it's me.'' Now he has a high-tech French RDS Neptune sidecar with an '03 Suzuki GSXR 1300 Hayabusa motorcycle, originally capable of more than 180 miles per hour. With the sidecar for stability and using special hand controls, Mr. Miller is renowned now as a top rider in the sidecar world.

Sam Burg and his family -- wife, Vicky; son, Zach, 6; and daughter, Madeleine, 12 -- approach high-performance sidecars differently. ''I've had bikes since I was 12,'' said Dr. Burg, 49, a children's dentist in Santa Maria, Calif., ''but with a family, there was no way to share motorcycling.''

He decided to get a two-person high-performance rig. But his is no stripped-down racer. Instead, he has an Armec, a Swiss-built luxury sidecar with plush seating, a hand-finished interior, trunk, reading lights and racing seatbelts. To pull it he has a BMW K 1200 LT, a big, comfortable touring machine, with antilock brakes and reverse gear. None of it came cheap. ''The motorcycle alone cost about $22,000 and the sidecar, with all the paint and options, about $28,000,'' Dr. Burg said. ''But I know we have the best. And it corners like a Porsche.''

The Burgs have put about 3,500 miles of family outings on their rig, the two children in the sidecar, Mom and Dad on the BMW, and everyone communicating through helmet intercoms. ''Everyone loves it,'' Dr. Burg said. ''We carpool at school. We go for ice cream with it, use it for errands. When Zach goes to the skateboard park, we throw his board in the sidecar and he jumps on back of the bike.''

And the only thing better than having one sidecar on the block, say fans, is having two. After getting a ride in his neighbor Ralph Gerkens's screaming yellow Side-Bike Comanche attached to a Yamaha FJ1200 motorcycle (the entire rig formerly owned Mr. Symington), Jay Hall, of Lexington, Ky., bought a used rig for himself. Recently he added to his fleet a new French RDS Neptune sidecar with a Yamaha FJR1300 bike, which Mr. Gerkens helped him hook up. Though the whole setup cost him more than $25,000, Mr. Hall figures he is saving money on the deal. ''It's like a Ferrari for only $30,000,'' he said. ''The wind in your hair, the power, and the way the suspension handles a twisty road is unbelievable. It can do 60 on roads where you should only be doing 30. You never have to slow down.''

Unless, of course, the police ask you to. But even that can be negotiated, it seems. Mr. Gerkens's wife, Viki, remembers a ride through Western Kentucky in their rig, when they sped through one town's 35 m.p.h. zone considerably faster than the speed limit. ''The officer pulled us over,'' she said, but didn't get around to writing a ticket. ''He wanted to look the sidecar over.''

 
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Sweet!

Guess I need to take back what I wrote earlier about sidecar rigs.

But this article refers to purpose-built, high performance sidecars, not what we usually think of as chairs bolted to bikes.

 
High performance side car installation on an FJR: pictures start here.Mr. Symington's vehicle of choice: a high-performance motorcycle sidecar (in his case, a Dutch-made EML), propelled by his hopped-up 172-horsepower Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird.
Cool... somebody post this up at the XX board... we could ride to the knitting circle at Granny's together. :rolleyes:
 
I agree with most, the FJSidecar is not my thing, but I have to point out the obvious that we're all missing here...all the snacks you could jam into that sidecar on a LD ride! :D

 
Turn left hard and the sidecar comes off the ground...no fun when the passenger smacks the piss out of you!
I think you mean turn right hard and the sidecar comes off the ground, at least on the rigs I've owned.

Yes sidecars are different and not as much fun if you're comparing them to sports bikes but if I want to ride a sports bike that's what I'll ride, if I feel like riding my Ural I ride it and have just as much fun, get a lot more attention if that's what I'm looking for, have a ball in the snow, and can carry the groceries home. At least half the sidecar owners I know have them to take their dogs or handicaped friend or relative with them. As far as ruining a FJR by using it with a sidecar what's the difference, Honda, Yamaha, Ural, BMW, they're all just bikes with the FJR having no greater status than any other bike IMO. It never occured to me to setup my FJR with a hack but after seeing the pictures and thinking about it it would make an excellent bike to attach a sidecar.

feiz
 
I think you mean turn right hard and the sidecar comes off the ground, at least on the rigs I've owned.
I was thinking of the setup with the sidecar on the port side of the bike, not like the one pictured.

Kinda like in the days when I used to autocross...my Civic would pick up its inside rear wheel on a hard corner like a dog taking a pee. Looked funny as hell. :)

 
I was thinking of the setup with the sidecar on the port side of the bike, not like the one pictured.

It is counter-intuitive, you would think the car would come up on a hard left but not so. I can see sports bike folks not taking to sidecars too readily, driving my Ural is like operating the tiller to steer a freighter, it's a lot of work. A properly set up sidecar on a sport (ier) bike can actually handle quit well though, I'd like to try the FJR pictured with the sidecar. The worst part is getting off the Ural (or any sidecar) and onto a two wheeler and forgetting to put your foot down when you stop, something you only do once. Regards.

 

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