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Silent

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I use my TV as an alarm clock. This morning I woke up to a nice loud pop as my TV gave up the video ghost :angry2: I just dropped it off at the recyclers this afternoon. Now all I find at the local places is HDTV for $500+ (26" range) for a name brand. My delema is I don't know jack about HDTV's. All I want to do is watch decent quality TV with my DirecTV, DVD and TiVo (non HD version) working in harmony. Does all that stuff work with the normal HDTV's, or am I gonna take it in the shorts having to upgrade everything? I'd love to watch my MotoGP races in HD B)

Advice? Info? Dogpile? :p

 
Hal's right.

If you want to get HD from Direct TV, you'll have to upgrade to an HD receiver and have an additional dish mounted on your house. We just went thru that when we moved over the summer. We took the plunge and went all HD with Dish Network. I love it, but I'm a sports freak and that's where you really enjoy it the most. College football Saturday is my favorite day of the week now...

And hey, if you're upgrading TVs, go big and get the flat screen, at least 42". I have a nine month old LG and love it, but I'd also recommend a Panasonic. My father-in-law has a Panasonic flat and the picture is outstanding. I'm pretty sure his is plasma like mine.

 
Well, this may prove to be of NO assistance whatsoever, but whatever you do/who you go to see, make sure they know about the FEB 2009 conversion cutover. On that date, no more analog signals and no more "lo-def" TV. Find somebody (maybe a Forum member) that knows A LOT more about this than I do, 'cause it would be a first-class beyotch to drop coins on one now, and then have to get it retrofitted to meet the standards that go into effect in 14 months.

Don

 
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Well, this may prove to be of NO assistance whatsoever, but whatever you do/who you go to see, make sure they know about the FEB 2009 conversion cutover. On that date, no more analog signals and no more "lo-def" TV. Find somebody (maybe a Forum member) that knows A LOT more about this than I do, 'cause it would be a first-class beyotch to drop coins on one now, and then have to get it retrofitted to meet the standards that go into effect in 14 months.
Don
I just heard about this the other day, but I didn't know the cutoff date. Geez, I hope my semi-new TV is compatible...

 
My dad has an HDTV and on his set you can't tell the difference between regular TV channel on his HDTV from a regular TV channel on a regular TV, they look the same. But, when he turns it to an HD channel on his HDTV, holy cow does it look great!

I am in the market for my first HD set up, yet, I have no current HD reception. I'm looking at a 1080p projector though, and that's going to cost me some bucks, so I'm doing all my research to make sure I get a good product. But, in the end, I'll have a 10' x 5' viewing screen, or 134" screen. I'm also evaluating the price difference between DirecTV and Comcast HD packages, but leaning towards DirecTV.

 
Well, this may prove to be of NO assistance whatsoever, but whatever you do/who you go to see, make sure they know about the FEB 2009 conversion cutover. On that date, no more analog signals and no more "lo-def" TV. Find somebody (maybe a Forum member) that knows A LOT more about this than I do, 'cause it would be a first-class beyotch to drop coins on one now, and then have to get it retrofitted to meet the standards that go into effect in 14 months.
Don
That deadline has been bumped like three or four times now. I wouldn't hold Feb 2009 as the final deadline. Also, as for "low-def" going away, that's not the case in its entirety as I understand it. The regs merely say that no over the air broadcasts can be in low definition. ie: local channels. That doesn't mean that every cable and satellite channel will be required to be in HD.

 
I am Direct TV subscriber and love it. High Def is awesome. If you like sports, get the High Def package and get a decent TV. I have a 50" plasma in my gameroom, and a 61" in my living room. Check into the rear projection LCD type. Great picture and less money. I spent about $2200 on my 61" Samsung rear projection LCD. Great picture and the High Def is incredible. If you like TV you'll be happy you got it. Highly Recommended.

 
There ending the analog signals (for roof mount antennas) in 2009. They will switch over to digital signals. As for the old analog only TV's, they will sell an adapter unit to convert the digital signal to analog. All of the TV's sold the last few years are digital compatable. They had a big bit on this on KGO radio recently.

I'm thinkin Possiblility

I don't want to go to big, this is a bedroom, and not a home theater B)

 
I replaced an old TV with a Vizio from Costco. Its a small one, maybe 20" but I sit close :) I don't remember what it cost, maybe $300-$400. It has both analog and digital HD tuner and we have cable so it collects it all.

Cheers,

 
I am fairly versed. PM me for specific answers.

I will tell you however, that you should skip anything plasma at this point: LCD is the way to go. The projectors are cool, too, but IMO the image is yet too washed out for real home theater quality, unless you hang a couple of FJR's worth on the ceiling.

-BD

 
There ending the analog signals (for roof mount antennas) in 2009. They will switch over to digital signals. As for the old analog only TV's, they will sell an adapter unit to convert the digital signal to analog. All of the TV's sold the last few years are digital compatable. They had a big bit on this on KGO radio recently.
I'm thinkin Possiblility

I don't want to go to big, this is a bedroom, and not a home theater B)
been on HD for about 5 years now. they broadcast HD signal over antenna and it's better than some cable HD since there's no compression at all (as opposed to "less" compression for HD than standard on cable bandwidth). DirevtTV recently added something like 20 or 30 new channels with a total of something around 150 right around the corner.

Rear projection is still one of the least expensive (but bulky options).

DLP is lighter and more compact, but the bulbs last about like a conference room projector and are costly to replace. A friend had one burn out in under 3 months, the replacement was under warranty but no TV (during game season) for a week while awaiting the bulb. no one locally carried them, but he found a source on the internet to get an emergency spare... $300 please. Also, DLP's many tiny mirrors may lend itself to artifacts (large areas -- like the cheek of someone in extreme closeup -- that show sparkles or grids). DLP gets its pixel locations by bouncing off mirrors on a chip. The better ones, use 3 chips (one for each base color). It gets its color by passing through a color wheel like people used to use with the silver aluminum xmas trees. The better units have multiple slices of RG and B so the wheel doesn't have to spin all the way back around to get to a color. The more instances of a color, the less rotation is needed to get back to the color you need. But some people still see the artifacts even with a 3-chip/12 color wheel unit. You have to look at these in person to see if you are one of those bothered by the effect.

Plasma is longer lived but when it burns out, it may be kaput for good. they generate heat (current gen less than earlier), they are heavy though flat and wall-mountable if you have a place to use large lag bolts to hold the weight. they can have some latency in fast moving images and may not be the best in high-light environments. but, when looking as side-by-sided with LCD, even the best LCDs can look as if they have a haze over them next to a plasma model.

LCDs are rear projection through a screen like a laptop's monitor. again a projection bulb with a high replacement cost and image quality can vary widely. Since the light passes through a medium, you lose some brightness where rear projection and DLP are reflected light.

If you want to know what they look like side-by-side without price being an issue (so you know what's possible) find a high-end A/V store and check out the Pioneer Elite series of plasma screens like seen here: https://www.marvinelectronics.com/2007/fullpg7.htm You know when it says "call for pricing" that it ain't gonna be painless.

Also look for 1080p instead of 1080i (interlaced).

I have the 53", 1080i rear projector that i'll keep until it croaks.

My daughter and SiL have a ~42" plasma.

A good friend has ~50" DLP.

When the time comes, I'll be looking for something in a plasma unless LCD has really improved. DLP still have the (reduced) hump back of a rear projection design, so doesn't lend itself well to wall mounting. LCDs still have the "haze" (for now).

 
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In the most recent issue of Consumer Reports, they said Plasma and LCDs each have their advantages, but Plasma was better for wide angle viewing, etc and was overall better than LCD.

I'm looking at the ceiling projector because I am finishing my basement and I want a huge screen (like I mentioned above, 134"). With the darkness of my basement, and the $$$ I'm looking at spending on the 1080p projector, I'm pretty sure I'll get what I'm looking for.

 
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In the most recent issue of Consumer Reports, they said Plasma and LCDs each have their advantages, but Plasma was better for wide angle viewing, etc and was overall better than LCD.
Scott, come over and take a look at mine tomorrow if you have time. It's a 42" plasma we've got mounted on the wall. I'll be watching college games until about 4 pm. We've got some old friends coming over then for the evening.

 
I have heard, but the info is old, that plasmas are shorter lived than others, and that they have altitude problems. Say you move from the coast (where I am) to Colorado Springs (where I have cousins). The plasma may be blank, totally toast next time it powers up. Like I say, that may be old information, but I haven't seen an "old" plasma set to check it out.

Burn-in may also be a problem with some types. They say LCDs are immune, but I've seen LCD PC monitors with severe burn-in, not like a pattern visible when powered off (which phosphor displays can do) but any solid-color screen (dekstop background, blank Word page) would show the user's desktop icons and background. They say those little network logos in the corner aren't strong enough to burn in, but I remain skeptical.

Lastly, make sure you have enough inputs for what you want to set up, plus 2 or 3. You might have a cable box, a DVD player, a satellite, maybe an Xbox or Playstation. Don't let me catch you using anything less than S-Video connections.

To further confuse the issue, several digital connectors have made the rounds, the latest being HDMI. This one includes audio, so only one cable from your HD cable box or Blu-Ray DVD player to your TV. Older video connections, like DVI, component, or S-Video don't have sound in them, so you need separate audio cables on each input.

And I'm one of these guys that gets really annoyed when a source has the wrong aspect ratio. Don't let standard TV go up in widescreen. I hate that! Currently in the US, if it's not an HD channel, it's not wide-screen. (Except, of course, for DVD players, which can be set to accomodate a 16:9 display, event though they're not HD.)

Everything clear, now?

 
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I may be more confused now than I was before I started this thread :dribble:

I can under stand the P instead if the I, with 1080P being the best currently. I'm not shooting for anything larget than 26 inch since it's for a bedroom and anything larger would be to much. So that kinda locks out rear/front projection units. The Sony still is top of my list atm, I'm just not to happy at dropping $900 for a TV (I just dropped $700 on a carport last week). and I'm really learly of a non name brand since my last TV (a Portland) only lasted a couple years.

My brain hurts :blink:

 
Silent-

I upgraded my DirectTV system earlier this year to HD. With DirectTV, you will not need two dishes, but you'll have to trade up to the newest model dish with two coax cables coming from the dish to your receiver. And, you'll need a HD capable DirecTV receiver. You will also have to pay them more to receive HD channels.

Like was said earlier, plasma and LCD have their advantages. The main reason I went with plasma is that the images refresh more quickly. This is important if you watch a lot sports or action movies. With LCD, fast action can be blurry, but much more clear with plasma. Plasma also has a wider viewing angle.

Older plasma screens used to have a problem with burn-in, if the same image was left on the screen for a very long time. They have pretty much fixed this with the newer plasma screens. My TV actually has a screen saver on it. If I pause the digital video recorder or a DVD for more than about 5 minutes, the screen saver comes on, further preventing burn in.

The new TV's all have dozens of different adjustments for the picture. Dozens. If any one of them is not adjusted properly, the picture can look bad. This makes it difficult to go into a store and compare pictures on different TV's, where customers may have been screwing around with the controls.

One more thing. I negotiated with the salesman at Best Buy, and got him to knock off almost $200 from the displayed $1,800 price on a 42" Hitachi. It surprised the **** outta me that he came down on the price. It can't hurt to ask.

 
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