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I have tried a couple of different brand helmets & i pretty much have the same problem. Just above my forhead after awhile it starts to hurt (like a burning sunsation) & i have to keep adjusting my helmet just about every 5 min & when i take it off it`s all red . Is there a certain helmet that is made for non perfect round heads. Oh i do keep my hair buzzed short so it`s not my hair bunching up .

 
If your helmet hurts after wearing it for any length of time, you need a larger size. But since helmets tend to vary by manufacture, best to keep trying until you find one that fits best. Years back I kept telling myself I wore a large and faced the same situation you are facing now. Finally, after admitting to myself I have a fat head, I went to an XL and now most manufacturers fit just right and I can now wear my helmet all day with no pain or discomfort.

Having a helmet that hurts can cause you not to wear a helmet which in turn can cause the kind of pain you don't want to experience.

 
You don't mention what brands you've tried or what size, so this is going to be a little tricky.

You could just be using one size too small, but more likely, you have an oval head. You have several options. Have someone who isn't going to laugh at the suggestion observe your head from above. It should be distinctly round or distinctly oval. Next, get out a tape measure and measure the circumference at the largest part. Third, go to WebBikeWorld.com and read a number of helmet reviews. They are very good at describing the internal shapes of the various helmets they test.

Once you've determined the shape and size of your head and you have the model numbers of a few helmets in your shape, head on down to your local dealer and try on a few.

Good luck,

Mark

 
If your helmet hurts after wearing it for any length of time, you need a larger size. But since helmets tend to vary by manufacture, best to keep trying until you find one that fits best. Years back I kept telling myself I wore a large and faced the same situation you are facing now. Finally, after admitting to myself I have a fat head, I went to an XL and now most manufacturers fit just right and I can now wear my helmet all day with no pain or discomfort.
Having a helmet that hurts can cause you not to wear a helmet which in turn can cause the kind of pain you don't want to experience.
An XL is too big (floppy) as for wearing one , i have always worn one & always will. I was thinking of maybe a helmet liner or something else .

 
Go to the Arai website. I can't find it now but they had a helmet shape page. Your head shape has a lot to do with it and you're probably buying the wrong interior shaped helmet. You don't have to buy an Arai, but understand the helmet shapes of other brands also when looking.

I found this on the Arai website, How to Fit a Helmet.

Below is a print of a pdf file I kept from last years Arai website.

LONG OVAL

(very long front-to-back, very narrow side-to-side).

On this end of the scale, we have the new Profile

model, offering additional forehead room for those

who find that most helmets have pressure points

in the forehead.

INTERMEDIATE OVAL

(a little shorter front-to-back and a little wider sideto-

side than the Long Oval). This next fit package

comes in our RX-7 Corsair model, which begins

the shift from oblong towards round.

ROUND OVAL

(even a little shorter front-to-back and a little wider

side-to-side). This next fit package is represented

by both our Quantum-2 and our Astral-X models.

The Astral-X has a slightly more “relaxed” fit - a bit

more room in the forehead area - mainly because

the Astral has a non-removable liner.

The Quantum-2’s liner, on the other hand, is fullyremovable,

which makes it feel a bit more “round”.

Be sure to try both on to determine which feels

better on your head.

After many, many years of listening to riders, we have found that

helmet satisfaction starts with understanding helmets.

Most importantly, understanding how proper fit affects helmet performance

during everyday riding, and how that comfort extends to the

helmet’s interior shape. This is why Arai has gone to theconsiderable

effort to design, create, and offer three different interior shapes.(Arai

does not believe that all-day comfort can be achieved by trying to stuff

everydifferent head shape into a single helmet interior shape.)

In order to offer the most comfort, a helmet interior must fit snugly

around the entire head contour. (This is partly determined by firm, even

pressure at all contact points, and without pressure points that could

become uncomfortable in

the future) A previous helmet of the same brand, model and size - even

if an Arai - may not offer the same fit as a current model or size

because the evolution of design and use of new materials can affect the

final design and shape. (For example, such advances and refinements

have made the interior shapes of our new RX-7 Corsair and Quantum-2

models able to fit more riders than their immediate predecessors, the

RX-7 RR4 and Quantum/f.)

Attention must also be paid to the fit of the model’s shape around the

crown of your head - and not with facial fit. (The part that is contacted

by a baseball cap’s band, for example, is the crown) Cheek pads in all

Arai helmets can be replaced

with a size that better suits your facial structure, so the possible need

for different cheek pads should only be addressed after the crown is

properly sized. All too often, tight OEM cheek pads will result in

purchasing a helmet one or even two sizes too big - in effect sizing the

face and not the head! The end result will be a loose and noisy helmet,

as described above. (Riders with a strong jaw or heavy cheeks should

first remove the cheekpads completely in order to not be distracted in

determining crown fit.)

No one pays more attention to the subtle variations and

the infinite possibilities of the human head shape than Arai.

And even though we know we can never build a perfect shape

for everyone, we go to the extra time and expense to make a

genuine effort to offer shapes that allow more people to find

a better and more comfortable fit than by simply offering

one shape in every model.

This is why it’s important for you to understand the

different aspects of sizing as it relates to brands, models

and in Arai’s case - interior shapes.

How can you determine which of Arai’s three interior shapes is best

suited for you? In general, our interiors for the North American markets

have an oval shape orientation (somewhat longer front-to-back and a

little narrow from side-to-side) because that is the shape that tends to fit

most of us. Our different models then vary slightly based on that

general Oval shape to accommodate a much wider fit range.

INTERIOR SHAPE FITMENT

THE IMPORTANCE OF ARAI'S 3

DIFFERENT INTERIOR SHAPES

UNDERSTANDING INTERIOR SHAPES

DETERMINING YOUR INTERIOR SHAPE

INTERIOR SHAPE DIAGRAMS

 
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The HJC AC-10 has two shells available, one of them is a long oval. It looks like they have been discontinued but some are still out there.

 
Yes, advice that you have an oval top of your head seems to make sense.

The rest represents only my opinions on this subject.

You can measure your head, do front to back and side to side just above the ears.

If your about 1.33 to one (back to front / side to side) then you have a typical Caucasion top head shape.

If your about 1.2 to one they you have a more Asian top of the head.

Note: these are average figures, distribution in these groups overlaps considerably.

I have a reference for this info but it is at work and I'm home with the flu today.

If you lack a huge caliper you can do what I did and use some stiff wire and a tape measure.

Most of the inexpensive helmets, including the good ones - HJC, Scorpion, Gmax, fall into round top proportions, this is why I have to wear an XXXL in them, rather than an XL in an oval helmet, and have enough room on the top sides to carry a sandwich.

I suspect this is because these are sort of world helmets designed for 'world' noggins.

WWW.webbikeworld.com has lots of helmet reviews but mostly when they talk about oval they are talking about a front view of the head, what they call the "plan view". This is very confusing, however it seems most helmets made oval on top are also oval from the font.

IMHO they also have reviewers who have round and even 'over round' (earth they call it) type head tops and find helmets very compy that I can't stand.

Some common helmets that have a 'ovaler' than normal build are SPARX (cheap but almost acceptable), ARAI (Profile, RX series, and Vector), and the Shark (RSI and 650). IMHO, all the Shoei helmets are round, and it is possible that we have so many round helmets because they are copying them?

About a month ago I was getting a new tire at a yamaha dealer and noticed all they had was round helmets, I look around and found a older, balding, very round headed guy who worked there, when someone came to ask me if I needed any help I asked them if that guy was the fellow who decides what helmets they sell and the clerk said "Yes, how did you know?".

My point is that oval head shapes are the norm in the US and Europe and we shouldn't have to have so many round helmets, ovals should be the norm, but it isn't so.

 
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I had the same problem on a 10 day trip last summer. It only happened to me on hot days and late into a ride. I think it was a rash, maybe caused by the fact that the liner in my 8 year old Shoei has never been washed. I plan on buying a new helmet this year and maybe I will shampoo the liner in my current helmet. I never have any problems on my one or two hour local rides, and only on maybe three of the 10 days of riding last summer. Just my thoughts on the subject.

Jer

 
Yes, advice that you have an oval top of your head seems to make sense.
The rest represents only my opinions on this subject.

You can measure your head, do front to back and side to side just above the ears.

If your about 1.33 to one (back to front / side to side) then you have a typical Caucasion top head shape.

If your about 1.2 to one they you have a more Asian top of the head.

Note: these are average figures, distribution in these groups overlaps considerably.

I have a reference for this info but it is at work and I'm home with the flu today.

If you lack a huge caliper you can do what I did and use some stiff wire and a tape measure.

Most of the inexpensive helmets, including the good ones - HJC, Scorpion, Gmax, fall into round top proportions, this is why I have to wear an XXXL in them, rather than an XL in an oval helmet, and have enough room on the top sides to carry a sandwich.

I suspect this is because these are sort of world helmets designed for 'world' noggins.

WWW.webbikeworld.com has lots of helmet reviews but mostly when they talk about oval they are talking about a front view of the head, what they call the "plan view". This is very confusing, however it seems most helmets made oval on top are also oval from the font.

IMHO they also have reviewers who have round and even 'over round' (earth they call it) type head tops and find helmets very compy that I can't stand.

Some common helmets that have a 'ovaler' than normal build are SPARX (cheap but almost acceptable), ARAI (Profile, RX series, and Vector), and the Shark (RSI and 650). IMHO, all the Shoei helmets are round, and it is possible that we have so many round helmets because they are copying them?

About a month ago I was getting a new tire at a yamaha dealer and noticed all they had was round helmets, I look around and found a older, balding, very round headed guy who worked there, when someone came to ask me if I needed any help I asked them if that guy was the fellow who decides what helmets they sell and the clerk said "Yes, how did you know?".

My point is that oval head shapes are the norm in the US and Europe and we shouldn't have to have so many round helmets, ovals should be the norm, but it isn't so.

+1, good post. Most people don't know thier head shape. I'm a L/O and find webbike world's helmet weight chart a great source of info since it shows the fit types too.

If your a long oval, the Shark RSI can be found on Ebay for far less than the $419.00 retail. My last one, a XL RSI Titan was sent to my door for $198 and it actually fits me. The only helmet I've had that I can wear day after day with no pain.

 
I'd also like to point out that a lot of shops don't tell you this, but you can change the liners in the helmet to better suit your head. Jay Leno did a little video on it a while ago; you might be able to find it on youtube or something...
https://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/091016arai.htm
I have been known to use a spoon to press a slight dent where my forehead apparently sticks out a bit. My newest helmet is a 2xl, and does not need it. As I weigh <190lbs, I like to think it's extra full of brains, but the love of my life begs to differ.

 
I have tried a couple of different brand helmets & i pretty much have the same problem. Just above my forhead after awhile it starts to hurt (like a burning sunsation) & i have to keep adjusting my helmet just about every 5 min & when i take it off it`s all red . Is there a certain helmet that is made for non perfect round heads. Oh i do keep my hair buzzed short so it`s not my hair bunching up .
I also used to take a big spoon and compress the forehead area of every helmet I bought, because I too, had the same issues you describe...............then I bought an XL HJC, and have had no problems with fitment.

 
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I've bought more helmets than I'd like to admit, and never seem to be happy with the fit. This past winter , at the MC show, I had a chance to talk one on one with Bruce Porter,the Arai rep (he has been with the company more than 20 yrs and is the guy in Jay Leno's video) and he fit me for a helmet that was actually comfortable. He explained that any discomfort, pain, pressure is caused by the helmet NOT fitting properly. If it fits your head properly, 100% of the helmet weight is supported by 100% of your head, not just parts of your head. I have not purchased the proper sized helmet yet, but I am sure it will be an Arai, and now I know what size to get and what size liners will make it fit my head. Find someone that knows how to fit you properly and you should be happy with the result.

 
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On buying my most recent helmet, the very helpful parts salesman explained that certain brands don't fit certain heads well. Shoeii is a love-it or leave-it brand for the very reason you talked about. This salesman described the very same pain, which a lot of customers have complained about. There are two solutions: one is not to buy the helmet that hurts, but if you've already paid for it, you can compress the foam in the area that bothers you.

I was very lucky in that my husband had bought the same helmet that I wanted, in my size. I wore his new helmet for a couple of days before buying my own. I guess we both have round, rather than oval heads.

 
Thanks everyone & will check out my local Yamaha dealer & see what they have & see if someone there nows how to fit a helmet. The problem is that when i first put the helmet on it feels great , but an hour later is when it starts to bug me & i have to cut my ride short because of it.

 
I used to ride with an Aria Signet GT - Loved it - fit awsome

They no longer make this helmet - I was very sad as I needed a replacement

Tried all the new Aria's and none fit well

Went shopping for a new one - I would try helmet after helmet

Wear each for a min 20 min if it felt OK right off the bat - timed with my phone so I did not cheat

Tried about 20+ helmets of various makers - some times it was not till the last 5 min that I noticed the discomfort

Glad I went the extra time

This did take time but what I ended up with I can ride all day for weeks on end and never have an issue

My advice is to take the time

 
Thanks everyone & will check out my local Yamaha dealer & see what they have & see if someone there nows how to fit a helmet. The problem is that when i first put the helmet on it feels great , but an hour later is when it starts to bug me & i have to cut my ride short because of it.
Fitment on my helmet varies quite a bit with ambient temperature. In the dead of summer it starts to get tight, I guess craniums and helmet shells expand at different rates.

 
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