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My idle seems to stay at about 1400rpm after the bike warms up (2004). I don't have a service or owners manual, so does anyone know where it's supposed to run at. Also, if there is a .pdf or similar format of the service and users manual anywhere, I'd love to know about it!

Ride Safe!

 
1000 to 1100 warm. Cold oil, go for 1000, it'll come up to 1100 when fully warmed. If the idle increase has come up unexpectedly, lift the tank and look for a disconnected or ripped or missing vacumn line. There is also a cold idle system, below the TB's, that may be sticking or otherwise malfunctioning. Oh, and buy the damn book. I don't have a lotta patience for those who look for the thiefs way out. (I am assuming you're looking for a freebie. If wrong, I apologise)

 
You know, its hit and miss with this site. I always look to be sure I have the notification settings right, but I only get an email notification about half the time. Sorry, I would have replied sooner.

The raise wasn't sudden.. the 4 or so weeks I've had the FJR it's always idled at ~1400 rpm. I'll have to check out a service manual to see if there is an adjustment for the idle.

As for the "thief’s way out" comment... I think that was uncalled for, or could have been phrased with a less negative tone. Some might consider the HOW TO sections of forums like these as form of stealing money out of the pockets of folks capable of doing the work (mechanics, etc) explained therein too. Nobody calls the people that put the HOW TO articles up thieves, but they are in fact sharing information that takes business away from someone by having access to that resource, whereas a person without access to that resource would have to bring the bike in and pay for the service. It's no different in my opinion. It might not be 100% right and good and legal, but there are a lot of worse things going on out there that deserve the negativity. Lighten up Radman, have you never borrowed a book or tool, or have you bought everything you've ever used/read?

 
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Rene - Radman is simply referring to copyright infringement that occurs when you buy the illegally reproduced CDs or PDFs of the official Yamaha Service Manual that thieves sell on ebay.

Back to topic... you want to bring your 1400 idle down about 300 RPMs. Here's how it's done:

FJRTech: Adjusting idle

 
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Rene - Radman is simply referring to copyright infringement that occurs when you buy the illegally reproduced CDs or PDFs of the official Yamaha Service Manual that thives on sell on ebay.
Back to topic... you want to bring your 1400 idle down about 300 RPMs. Here's how it's done:

FJRTech: Adjusting idle
I understand that, and generally I agree with that position. I just disagreed with the way it was presented. I never look at someone’s level of patience with something as a reason to do, or not do, anything. Of course, the info I was asking for does put me in the wrong, and I acknowledge that. By the same token though, a person who borrows a book from a friend is equally a thief. I know that getting what I asked for would, in the strictest terms make me a thief (criminal), but it's about as serious and common of an infraction as, say, speeding 20 over the speed limit. I'm sure there are plenty of criminals on this board, looking at it from that perspective. I wouldn't go around and calling people that. I just thought it a little harsh.

 
Thank you for the link by the way! That's the first idle adjustment knob I've seen on the right side of the bike! Kinda like an ATK dirt bike with a left hand kick starter.

 
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... and common of an infraction as, say, speeding 20 over the speed limit.
I have NO idea what you are talking about! ;)

You, you idle speed data stealer!

Just kidding, dude!!..... :lol: Welcome to RadsWorld! One of the all-wise ones!

 
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I don't have a lotta patience for those who look for the thiefs way out.  (I am assuming you're looking for a freebie.  If wrong, I apologise)
Be sure and buy the $60 edition from your dealer. I wanted to know how to go about replacing the headlights on my FJR. I thought it would be a bit of trouble, but after getting the manual my dealer said would give me step by step teardown and build up info, I found out that headlight removal is very simple and quick. Following are the instructions from the official manual.

REMOVING THE HEADLIGHT ASSEMBLY

Remove the parts in the order listed.

Order----------Job/Part--------Q’ty---Remarks

--1------Headlight assembly----1

For installation, reverse the removal

procedure.

I haven't tried it yet but I'm sure they didn't leave anything important out. :huh:

 
Fine. Get whatever is out there from whomever. If someone steals the bike, hell, aint no big thing, right? Someone steals the design specs for a piece your company manufactures, puts out a copy, and you lose your job as a result, who cares, right? It's not like theft is any big deal.

 
I bought the book but, like JPD states above, it's a little oversimplified for my liking. The tech pages from experienced users have been a world of information. Thanks to all those who went before!

 
Exactly.. I agree... And if you can't stop to avoid an accident that you could have avoided if you were going 20 mph slower, and you kill someone as a result, who cares, right?

Dude, what more do you want? I agree that it's wrong, and in your own words, theft, but lets look at the bigger picture on how seriously it should be viewed. Take all the Yamaha dealers who will want a legit copy (let's look at the US only, though making the example global will just strengthen my point), and then all the owners of FJRs and you MAYBE have 50,000 copies out there if EVERYONE buys one. I bet only about 2500 copies would actually be ordered, and only 200 or so pirated. In the old days they just photocopied the damn things, it’s been happening forever. I’d be more concerned about the jobs of the people building the bikes that are being replaced by mechanical automation.

So how seriously do you think Mother Yamaha is going to be affected by this form of theft. It costs the same to produce the original document regardless of who many people buy it… the tooling is already in place for the initial production. Anything Yamaha sells after that is gravy. But the guys/gals who designed the thing make their money regardless of how many Yamaha sells. The only thing that would affect their jobs is is Yamaha looks at the sales potential and says “Hmm, with so much pirating out there this wouldn’t be worth producing”, which will never happen with the amount of pirating that does happen. Besides, they HAVE to produce them anyway, so their dealer network can have access to them. I'm not saying it's right, in fact I am agreeing with you that it is wrong. But do you REALLY think this would happen enough to have even a single person loose their job over it?

I'm thinking you must have had some experience with this type of thing and were personally affected to be taking this as seriously as you are. Whatever happened, sorry to hear it, but your response is a little passive/aggressive.

Rene’

 
I don't like thieves. I don't like those who support thievery, knowing that they are. I don't like those who justify it, or apologise for it, or try to explain it away, or minimize the actions or results or consequences. Maybe some day someone will rob your house, then tell you how "it was just one house". <_<

 
Everybody has their threshold what they declare "theft". I could say you are stealing my air by breathing if I was so inclined. That's why there are "laws" (now, of course, "laws" are made by "lawyers", made for "lawyers", only to be interpreted by "lawyers". But I digress...)

Gotta go by the laws: If the original work was copywrighted (and the Yammi book is), then reproducing it either on paper or electronically IS illegal. If you loan a book to someone, you are not reproducing the material, and therefore this is NOT illegal.

Let's practice:

Borrow a bike ==> Legal

Stealing a bike ==> Illegal

Driving at speed limit ==> Legal

Driver over speed limit ==> Illegal

See simple. And I am no lawyer! Now hold your breath, damnit, before I sue your ass!

-BD

 
Oh, and the factory manual suxxors. But, it is what it is, and it beats having nothing... :p

 
Yeah, this discussion gets old, and is replayed about every 4-5 months with the thieves on eBay post to various forums, telling folks to come buy their stolen wares.

This issue here is not one of "borrowing" a book, or a few pages out of the manual, etc. And it's not about splitting legalist hairs of definition (borrow/lend/steal/etc). If one goes to the eBay thieves and buys a Service Manual on CD, or a photo-copied hardbound manual, or download a PDF of it, etc, then you are *knowingly* participating in copyright infringement. There it is. It's not a gray area... it's black and white.

You CAN NOT legally buy the publication from anyone but a Yamaha dealer/authorized publisher.

Now, it is true that CD's of the Service Manual were distributed by Yamaha USA to their authorized dealers for use in their Service Departments only. Many were stolen and illegally copied. If you go to eBay and find the Service Manual on CD and purchase it, you are buying stolen goods. Obviously, if you buy a photo-copied version (no matter how slickly bound and packaged), you are buying stolen goods. Plain and simple.

It's easy to try to deflect the issue by arguing the "what if" and "what about" game, as we've seen in this thread (and will no doubt continue to see). Example: someone answers a question on a forum using a diagram from the Service Manual. Is this copyright infringement? It could probably be argued both ways.... maybe, or maybe not. But their DAMN SURE is no profiting or monentary gain involved by the person answering the question.

But that's not the case when buying stolen Manuals. There’s no justification or arguing the case if you decide to buy one of these stolen CD’s and/or photo-copied manuals off eBay. You’re participating in a theft operation. Hey man, do what you want to do…. it’s your karma.

 
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You CAN NOT legally buy the publication from anyone but a Yamaha dealer/authorized publisher.
Actually, I'm sure that's not strickly true. I'm allowed to sell my purchased copy of the Service Manual, and that's perfectly legal. If I retail a photocopy, of course, then it's not, but it's fine to sell the book.

Although, this in no way suggests that the people selling them on ebay are legit, they're not.

 
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Fine.  Get whatever is out there from whomever.  If someone steals the bike, hell, aint no big thing, right?  Someone steals the design specs for a piece your company manufactures, puts out a copy, and you lose your job as a result, who cares, right?  It's not like theft is any big deal.
If you look carefully at what I posted I did not say anything about purchasing a ripped off copy. If I left that impression, I'm sorry. I have hope that one of the other manual printers (Clymer, Haynes, or whoever) will come out with a legal copy with better info for half the price. I have always bought legit copies, be it software or books. I am completely against anything considered stealing. Purchasing a pirated copy will certainly not give you any better information.

I also believe that legit stuff you purchase for a fair (or high) price should provide the data it claims to contain. If they state it will lead you through removal and reinstalling then it should do that. If it does not they have taken my cash under false pretenses which makes them thieves. I have bought many service manuals in my life and have never felt so screwed as I did with this one. I just sold a Suzuki Intruder and the manual I had with it was purchased from the Suzuki dealer for $30. It was a much more user friendly manual. I had to use it once when my bike quit running. I removed many parts for testing, learned how to test them, and learned all the electronics involved in the fuel system and got everything back together following their instructions. It lead me through, going so far as to tell me what parts to remove and how many screws were involved in each part.

Unfortunately it didn't start its troubleshooting procedure by asking "Did you do something stupid, like putting diesel in your gas tank?" Fortunately I figured it out after a couple days when I looked at the gas receipt because I was going to call the dealer and ask if they had had any complaints of bad gas. When I saw the word "diesel" I got suspicious.

Having said all that, I just want you to understand. I do not now nor have I ever condoned purchasing anything illegal. Just pointing out its shortcomings. If it hadn't been for WC's TBS instructions chances are I would have gone to the dealer and paid $100 for the adjustment. WC made it sound simple and in fact it was much simpler than following the manual.

 
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