Inside help vs. Outside help

[Groo]

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[rangerray]

Why is it verboten for a rally rider to receive outside routing help, but not for two riders to team up?

Outside routing help? From someone that's not in the rally? That's crazy. Anybody coming out on top that way shouldn't feel good about hisself. The results of the rally should be based on the ability of the rider or rider/passenger. Anybody that's determined enough and spends enough time in the seat can ride a long way, but not everyone can pick the right way to go to best everyone else. The rules should seek to level the playing field for all participants, aside of choice of motorcycle and accessories.

This lowers my opinion of the rally as a whole. Oh, and I'm not just a critic; I'm an IBA member (and got that way all by my lonesome self).

 

[Indian Scout]

Well said, Rogue! It doesn't matter how many riders are riding together as long as they are riding. It is very different to have someone else do your routing for you who isn't tired, wet, cold, sleep deprived, etc. Try to calculate the distance/time/fuel/miles after being on the road for 15 hours straight when your original plan has to be changed. That is what LD riding is about.

What I want to know, is this years winner one of the Rally Rider group or one of the riders for a planning team.

During the finisher’s banquet Mr. Kneebone asked four riders to stand. He said these four riders are examples of those that did there own routing, placed very well, and would be the standard for future Iron Butt Rallies. Three of these riders were Jim Owens, Jeff Earls, and Marty Leir. I hope that answers the question.

Thanks for that information and the information that corrected it.

 

[Indian Scout]

Why is it verboten for a rally rider to receive outside routing help, but not for two riders to team up? Seems that by teaming you get some of the same benefits of the outside help: multiple heads discussing routes, division of labor, etc. If you're riding together you can hold each others flags, help lift a bike or fix a flat, etc. The top two spots in this year's 1088 were won by a team. Surely there was some teaming going on in this year's IBR Top Ten. It's a smart approach. I'm not crying foul, just asking a question.

Riding as a team of 2 people has it's advantages and disadvantages. The advantages, particularily in this IBR was that you could have 2 people entering the data in the computer instead of 1. That could cut the time in 1/2, saving about 2 hours of time. The disadvantage is that 2 riders ride slower than a rider alone. Stops increase by an average of about 5 minutes each. That can be significant in a 11 day event.

I rode with Alan Barbic this year. I think overall the benefits outweighed the negatives. We both finished very well.

This is nothing in comparison to a rider having people sitting in a room plotting and designing routes while the rider is riding. Two people riding together still have to both be stopped while they are doing routing updates.

My 2 cents on the subject.