Just riding to work

[05fjrBluedevil]

Well, my battery had drained down to 4.** on the ol volt meter, so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting and my perfectblueride, fired right back to life, so off I went uop the street a few blocks. So I get up today and no rain in the forcast and the temp was already above 40 so i elected with glee to ride her to work this morning, wow sure felt nice.....

And to think last year this time, my baby was getting her gearing worked on.

I just long for a nice ride once the weather plays nice.

Yeah Brent, we need to ride once the weather breaks....

Well until we ride again enjoy some shots from the past.

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My top gun phot taking skills at work! :drinks:

thats all folks :0) let spring approach as fast as winter as set in......

 

[Zorlac]

"so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting"

That's a pretty dangerous charge rate for a sealed 12AH battery.

3 amps would safe rate.

JMHO.

 

[cougar8000]

Can you see what is wrong with this picture?

 

[mdisher]

I'm kicking myself for not riding today :/

 

[keithaba]

I'm kicking myself for not riding today :/

Gunny! But I thought it was supposed to rain today??? Crazy weather forecast....

I'm going home and taking out the FZ1. FJR is getting oil leak fixed.

I rode the FJR to the shop yesterday, and forgot how good it felt to be on the bike. Boring on the expressway, but still more fun that being in the cage! :yahoo:

 

[TriggerT]

Can you see what is wrong with this picture?

NICE SHOES!!!

 

[cougar8000]

isn't it nice Fully dressed and gym shoes.

 

[Fred W]

"so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting"
That's a pretty dangerous charge rate for a sealed 12AH battery.

3 amps would safe rate.

JMHO.

Actually, it's not so bad. If you have a very low battery, Yuasa recommends blasting it with a high-ish voltage for XX minutes, purportedly to desulfate the plates.

 

[Zorlac]

"so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting"
That's a pretty dangerous charge rate for a sealed 12AH battery.

3 amps would safe rate.

JMHO.

Actually, it's not so bad. If you have a very low battery, Yuasa recommends blasting it with a high-ish voltage for XX minutes, purportedly to desulfate the plates.

I wouldn't charge a 12 amp hour battery at 14+ amps, I think PonyFool might be able to comment on unintended battery charging consequences.Whatever works for ya.

 

[05fjrBluedevil]

"so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting"
That's a pretty dangerous charge rate for a sealed 12AH battery.

3 amps would safe rate.

JMHO.

Actually, it's not so bad. If you have a very low battery, Yuasa recommends blasting it with a high-ish voltage for XX minutes, purportedly to desulfate the plates.

I wouldn't charge a 12 amp hour battery at 14+ amps, I think PonyFool might be able to comment on unintended battery charging consequences.Whatever works for ya.

Well, since my trickle charger was not working, I guess it is broken.

I had to borrow one and that is what they had more for tractors and such, but I had it connected and just watched the volt meter rise that i have connected directly to the battery, when it got to plus 14 I tried and it just didn't want to go, thats why i had it on the 30 amp setting.the main was a 50...... bumped it a few more times and then once i switched it to the 60 amp setting it fired right up. Yes i could tell a big difference in the brightness of the running lights, so once i had it started, i disconnected the neg and then the pos and buttoned it back up left her running for about 10 min, wnet in and ate, came back out turned it off put it back in the garage and took the charger back..... So I am again riding today and plan to do so again tomorrow here...... :yahoo:

So it worked for me! Since I have not connected my aux lights to a switch yet, I have drained the battery on this thing more times than i would like to admit too, I actually was just checking to see if the battery was bad, but i guess the abrupt shock brought it back from its flat line status....

Any who, I am riding again....... Might even snap off a few photos on the way home today

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

"so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting"
That's a pretty dangerous charge rate for a sealed 12AH battery.

3 amps would safe rate. JMHO.

Would this apply here?

"Your regulator will keep your battery from overcharging."

 

[05fjrBluedevil]

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[mdisher]

Well did not get to snap any photos but I did get to hit the hood of a knucklehead with my fist as they tried to cut me off on a exit ramp, you know the kind where there is enough room for two vehicles but no painted lines and those that are stuck in traffic trying to turn right try to prevent those going left from continuing to the light, so I saw her looking at me as I approached and she just kept coming over, I actually had to stop and as I was sitting with in a few inches of her car cursing her threw my helmet, I decided to slam the top of her car as I did not have enough room to kick her door, not that I wanted to take it to that extreme, but the look on her face was priceless!, the dropped jaw of dis belief that I would do such a thing!!!! I laughed all the way home after I moved ahead and turned right at the light and made sure she could not get close to me......

Ugh, I hate that... I think I had my bike about a week and was on a road that went from two lanes to (1). I was in the left lane, right lane merged into the left. I looked over and there was this little silver haired lady, who looked right over at me, then started to come on over and then just kept coming, pushing me into on coming traffic to get out of the way before I could get behind her. (There was no room ahead)

I couldn't believe it. I was on the horn and pissed.

At the next light, I pulled up along side of her and gave her a verbal beating. I must have scared the **** out of her. She ran the light (making a left turn no less) to get away.

Argh....

 

[Zorlac]

"so i threw a charge on it last night for about 10 min with a 12/30amp charger setting, it quickly ran it up well over 14, but when i tried to fire it up it just did not want to, so after a few tries, I moved it to a 12/60amp setting"
That's a pretty dangerous charge rate for a sealed 12AH battery.

3 amps would safe rate. JMHO.

Would this apply here?

"Your regulator will keep your battery from overcharging."

I'm more concerned with the amount of current pushed into the dead battery, not the charger or regulators output voltage.Sealed lead acid batteries will vent gas as the electrolyte is boiled off if the battery is charged at rates greater than 1/2 their amp hour rating. Since they are sealed, their is no way to add water and the electrolyte level is permanently depleted.

When the FJR battery is below 10V, it would be best to connect it to an external battery charger and charge it at rate not exceeding 1/4 the amp hour rating.

If you whack it with 14A of charge current from a hefty charger (out of the bike) put your ear to the side of it and listen to the bubbles, I wouldn't do this for more than a minute or two to get it to accept bulk charging and then drop back to 3A.

If you expect the bike to recharge the battery from a near dead state, you'd need to go for a pretty long highway run if you want the battery to be 100% recharged.

That would be 12.8-12.6V at the battery terminals after sitting untouched for a day or two.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Zorlac, I agree with everything you say here. And, thanks for replying to this out-of-the-way topic. But..., what do you think about the issue of attaching just any size charger to the battery while it's in-place and hooked-up? As in 05fjrBluedevil's "I threw it on a 30A ~ 60A charger" and Motomaniac's "Your regulator will keep you battery from overcharging" Along with ionbeam's "The regulator dumps all the excess power to ground".

That's what I'm getting at -- I've just never considered that option. Surely Yamaha has taken into account the battery in the design of the charging (generator and regulator) system? Yes, I'd do it your way -- but, maybe the other way's OK, too?

TIA

 

[Zorlac]

""I threw it on a 30A ~ 60A charger"

You could put it on a thousand amp charger as long as the output voltage of the charger is set at the point where the current into the battery is limited to a fraction of the battery's amp hour rating.

These big chargers are for big batteries, and if you goose motorcycle sized batteries (for too long) with them, bad things can happen, the least of which is considerably shortened battery life.

"what do you think about the issue of attaching just any size charger to the battery while it's in-place and hooked-up? As in 05fjrBluedevil's "I threw it on a 30A ~ 60A charger" and Motomaniac's "Your regulator will keep you battery from overcharging" Along with ionbeam's "The regulator dumps all the excess power to ground"."

I'm not sure what you're thinking, but I'm getting the impression that maybe you think that the bike's regulator will shunt the excess battery charger current to ground?

If so, thats not the way the regulator works for voltages applied to the battery from an external source, it only applies to the voltage coming out of the bike's alternator itself.

 

[Old Michael]

If you expect the bike to recharge the battery from a near dead state, you'd need to go for a pretty long highway run if you want the battery to be 100% recharged.

I'm far from being a technical sort, but from my automotive experience, I'd always understood

that a vehicle's charging system was engineered to maintain a charged battery, and not to recharge a

drained/dead battery - therefore one should never use it to recharge a dead battery as that would be

overworking the alternator/charging apparatus, leading to premature failure.

If your battery is dead, it should be charged fully before being run on the vehicle-except in an

emergency situation.

Does this apply to my FJR?

Is this still a "RIDE REPORT"?

 

[Zorlac]

"a vehicle's charging system was engineered to maintain a charged battery, and not to recharge a

drained/dead battery - therefore one should never use it to recharge a dead battery as that would be

overworking the alternator/charging apparatus, leading to premature failure."

Yep, I'd say that's true, and yep, I guess I successfully hijacked the ride report part.

 

[Old Michael]

"a vehicle's charging system was engineered to maintain a charged battery, and not to recharge adrained/dead battery - therefore one should never use it to recharge a dead battery as that would be

overworking the alternator/charging apparatus, leading to premature failure."

Yep, I'd say that's true, and yep, I guess I successfully hijacked the ride report part.

Forum rules - Hijacking allowed within 3 days of Christmas. Whew! That was close.