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Someone once said the only good thing about the good ole' days is they are good and gone. There's a lot of truth in that statement. But at odd moments I find myself mourning the passing of the kickstarter. I'm all for technological innovation and progress or I wouldn't be riding an FJR. One of the sweetest sounds around is the one or two second starter squeal and the FJR purr that follows.

What I miss is the visceral, mechanical, and satisfying experience of kickstarting a motorcycle. It's also really nice to know it's there as a backup, especially when the battery goes low.

When I first started riding there weren't electric starters. Technological innovation was a compression release for the thumpers. It was always entertaining to see someone launched like a ground to air missile when their big incher kicked back. An eccentric acquaintance of mine had an old Harley 74 which had, so help me, what looked like a Schwinn bicycle peddle on his kickstarter which always looked like it was about to break. What a character...not to be seen riding around town without his chihuahua sitting on the tank and a six gun strapped to his side. But I digress.

My first electric starter was a Honda CB450. It's electricals were so weak best practice was to only push the button when the engine was already warm. At all other times use the kickstarter. My first reliable electric starter was a Honda CB750. I used the kickstarter sometimes just for grins, and was really glad for it during the perilous time between noticing my battery was low and getting a new one. My '79 Honda GL1000 was my first motocycle with no provision for a kickstarter (though the very first ones had one in the toolkit). I didn't really want to run 'n bump that one, and thankfully never had to.

Some will probably (maybe rightly so) think this is a ridiculous train of thought, like missing hand cranks on cars. Admittedly the FJR would not be a good candidate for an auxiliary kickstarter, but I think riders of many other bikes could still benefit from the security and satisfaction of the good old fashioned kickstarter.

 
Not at all.

Everytime I walk by my CB400F in the garage...that I promise I'm going to restore each winter....I see the kickstarter and smile. From my MR50 and the rapid-fire stacatto "bleh bleh bleh bleh" of a bike with fouled points to trying to kick-start a Husky 175 at the ripe age of 11. Combine the fact the kicker was on the left side and required a precarious bike holding to use your dominant right foot to the aforementioned impersonation of a missile and sprained ankle.....sheer 70's comedy.

Then in the early 80's with a KTM 504 that had so much compression that one had to advance a little yellow indicator into a window before you kicked....lest your break your ankle and the motor case with it.

If it werent' for the fact that I still yank on my snowmobile ripcord I'd miss the old days. ;)

 
Ahhh!! Those memories. My first bike was kick start only, and my second had the choice. Pride? Habit? I don't know, but I used the kick start on the second bike every morning. The only time I'd resort to the new-fangled button was if I ever stalled the bike in traffic.

Recently, I've wondered if some of the MSF trainer bikes might benefit from a kick starter. Kinda like a negative reinforcement for learning clutch control. How many times are you going to stall the bike if you have to put some effort into restarting it? You'll be much more motivated to learn how NOT to stall the bike.

Jill

 
My Beezers and Snortster taught me how to ride. And wrench. And ride a little and wrench a lot, but I digress. Most of all, they taught me the art of one kick starting, and how to amaze my friends and fellow enthusiasts. Remember how ads in the day would say "one kick starter"? Tickling the TBolt just right beat having a Bruce Lee leg. A retard on the mag of the Snort was heaven sent, available one year only (67), and I had one. Once the Bendix carb graced the inside of a metals bin, and I learned to kick from the side rather than straddling the bike, was amazing how quickly the ol' pile would light off. Guys these days just have no idea how easy the "lectric foot" has made life.

 
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Oh I don't know about that. I was thirteen when I got my first dirtbike, A Husky 250. Damn thing was taller than me, I really do not have the fond memories of kickstarters you guys seem to. Gotta' go now, granddad is looking for the crank on the front of the Ford again. :lol:

 
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Oh I don't know about that. I was thirteen when I got my first dirtbike, A Husky 250. Damn thing was taller than me, I really do not have the fond memories of kickstarters you guys seem to. Gotta' go now, granddad is looking for the crank on the front of the Ford again. :lol:
Oh, believe me, I don't miss it-in fact I doubt I could get Snort going as fast anymore. But it did separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, and electric start probably accounts for 90% of the increase in bike ownership since it became reliable. Many was the time where if I had just put the ****** in gear and kicked, I would have gotten to point B far faster than doing it under power. :p

 
Yep... memories. I got my first street bike when I was 15, an older Triumph Daytona 500. One day one of the bolts came off of a piston rod clamp... that was special. My brother and I rebuilt it with 15:1 compression PowerMax pistons. I didn't really think about how it would affect kick-starting the bike until the first try. :wacko:

 
I remember when I was a very young boy, my brother's friend had a Norton Commando. He was able to kick start the cycle on the first kick. Thought he was a giant. Later as I grew older, I realized Tim was only 5'2". He must have had the correct kick starting knack.

 
A few weeks ago, as I was leaving work, one of the Harley guys was trying to fire his...(guess the summer heat killed his battery)

It was entertaining, in an evil way. He's one of those guys that dresses like he's being subsidized by HD, down to the wallet chain. (aerospace is full of them, if you ever thought every biker type was a drug dealer...lots of them build airplanes, when they aren't putting up misspelled signs that say "Hungry? Out of work? Eat your import!) He kicked with his right leg until that gave out, caught his breath, walked around and tried with his left until that gave out.

I arrive 30 minutes before him, and it was gone when I got to work the next day, dunno if he got it to kick over, or if someone jumped him.

I seem to remember one of the dangers associated with big bikes and kickstarters was having the thing kick back and launch you over the bars.

 
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Oh, believe me, I don't miss it-in fact I doubt I could get Snort going as fast anymore. But it did separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, and electric start probably accounts for 90% of the increase in bike ownership since it became reliable. Many was the time where if I had just put the ****** in gear and kicked, I would have gotten to point B far faster than doing it under power. :p

I would suspect that the increase in bike ownership is middle age affluence which was also the motivation to bike manufacturers to come up with easy starting for the same middle aged. Case in point, met a 62 year old gentleman two weekends ago riding his new Kawasaki 900 with all of 300 miles on it. All new clothing (at least he was riding ATGATT) having just finished his MSF a week or so earlier. Told me he had always wanted to own a motorcycle since he was a teenager and now with the "kids" out of the house as well as the house paid for it was time to satisfy his teenage desire. An electric start for him meets the needs of the market ie: middle age customer. Besides, a kick start on a FJR would screw up the looks of the side fairing. :D

 
I rode my Enfield to a Car club function last night and it great to see the look on peoples faces when you go thru the motions. Turn fuel on, pull clutch in and run it thru to free the clutch, tickle both Amal carbs, kick thru 2 more times and then turn on the key and if you have all the stars aligned just right it starts on the first kick. My Enfield has always been a good starter but I have many other bikes that seemed it would be easier to push to the store. :)

 
My old GL1000 (first year) had a kick starter. Useless as tits on a boar hog! I absolutely, positively never got that turd to start with the kicker. It wouldn't spin the motor fast enough, and there wasn't enough flywheel effect on the flat 4.

That's when I built my own set of motorcycle jumper cables. Electricity rules!

 
MOST of my motorcycles have kick starters!!

(See list below...) :rolleyes:

Soon to be another one added - with a kick starter!!!! (Yep - another Triumph to restore )

 
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I rode my Enfield to a Car club function last night and it great to see the look on peoples faces when you go thru the motions. Turn fuel on, pull clutch in and run it thru to free the clutch, tickle both Amal carbs, kick thru 2 more times and then turn on the key and if you have all the stars aligned just right it starts on the first kick. My Enfield has always been a good starter but I have many other bikes that seemed it would be easier to push to the store. :)
Ooooooooooooooooooooo a '67 Enfield - NICE!!

 
I was at my father-in-law's a few weeks ago when he dug out his old Honda whatever (I don't even know!) with its dead battery and preached about how great the kickstarter was as a backup. He jumped up and down on that thing for several minutes before asking me to give it a shot, being, well, larger than he. Apparently the battery wasn't dead when he began this fiasco of running the old one to "circulate oil" or whatever. I got on, checked the key, checked the cut-off switch --- Oh. Turned it on, started on the first kick.

The ONLY time I've ever used a kick starter, but it was great! :lol:

 
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