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From the LA Times, but you have to be registered to read the article.

https://www.latimes.com/classified/automoti...way1-yourwheels

YOUR WHEELS

Bikers playing fast and loose

Motorcycle crash fatalities are rising fast -- and it's not just the cyclists who are dying.

By Ralph Vartabedian, Times Staff Writer

November 29, 2006

A distraught husband, three daughters, dozens of friends and hundreds of students are trying to come to grips with the death of Elisa Gigliotti.

A Suzuki racing bike screaming at 80 mph in a 25-mph zone slammed into Gigliotti on Oct. 4 as she was leaving her job at Long Beach City College, igniting a fireball inside her Ford Escort.

Gigliotti, a professor who taught Spanish and Italian at three local community colleges, was pulled from the burning wreckage in front of the college by two fellow instructors. But she was already covered with second- and third-degree burns on her face, chest, arms and legs — more than half her body. After 30 days, she died at the burn unit of the Torrance Memorial Medical Center.

"It is not uncommon to see these kinds of accidents with motorcycles, particularly high-powered super bikes," said Raymond Dennison, the Long Beach detective who investigated the crash. "The whole function is to go as fast as they can."

In the last seven years, motorcycle fatalities have more than doubled nationwide. In 2005 alone, fatalities were up another 13%. The carnage only partly reflects the increasing popularity and growing registration of motorcycles.

In the Long Beach crash, the Suzuki GSX-R 1000 bike was operated by Raj Boren, a 21-year-old student at the college, who died instantly.

According to eye witnesses, Boren accelerated with an open throttle from an intersection near the crash site. Dennison said his estimate of 80 mph at the time of impact was conservative. Boren possibly was exceeding 100 mph. The accident report puts the primary blame on Boren's speed.

The force of the collision lifted Gigliotti's car off the pavement, moved it 15 feet and rotated it 90 degrees. The point of impact was the passenger door, which was pushed in past the centerline of the vehicle. During the crash, the motorcycle's gas tank ruptured, filling the car with atomized fuel that exploded.

"I don't understand how something that unsafe can be on the road," said Lorenzo Gigliotti, who married the Italian-born Elisa 32 years ago when both were teenagers. "I look at how they market these things. That is a racing bike. It doesn't have any purpose to be on the street. It is a land torpedo."

Elisa Gigliotti was a well-liked optimist, full of energy. "We are taking it one day at a time," said her husband, a web designer who since the crash has created https://www.ourlisa.com . "Nothing is the same."

The GSX-R 1000 is one of Suzuki's premier racing bikes, the top of the GSX line widely used in the racing circuit. Long Beach police estimate it has a top speed of 180 mph, about 100 mph faster than the fastest posted speed limit on any highway in the nation. Suzuki does not publicize the bike's top speed.

With a suggested retail price of $11,400, it is much more affordable than any high performance racing car. Therefore, those who like speed, or want the challenge of controlling such power — or have a death wish — can get them.

But the risk is shared with the rest of the public.

"I have seen my fair share of accidents where the motorcycle hits so hard it kills everybody in a car," Dennison said.

According to a recent report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, there were 4,553 fatalities in motorcycle accidents in 2005. Those deaths include only the operators and passengers on the bikes. Agency officials could not say how many pedestrians or people in other vehicles died in these crashes, though statisticians are trying to get the data at The Times' request.

The National Transportation Safety Board, the federal government's leading accident investigation agency, is looking into another grim motorcycle crash this year in Pennsylvania, in which four people inside a car died, said agency board member Deborah Hersman, who has taken an interest in motorcycle safety.

"People think that the people on the bikes are the only vulnerable ones," Hersman said.

Every motorcycle death and injury, even when limited to the operator, costs society plenty — both in the direct cost of the accident and in the loss of human potential.

"Many times, the crash doesn't kill the motorcyclist," said Jim Champagne, a spokesman for the Governors Highway Safety Assn. and head of the Louisiana Highway Safety Commission. "It leaves them as convalescents of the state."

On average, motorcyclists are 34 times more likely to die per mile traveled than occupants of cars, and it's getting worse. Over the last decade, the fatality rate per motorcycle mile has jumped 76%. That reflects an emerging motorcycle culture that embraces every possible danger factor: extreme speed, reckless behavior, alcohol impairment and many older riders past their prime, says Champagne.

Suzuki spokesman Glenn Hansen disputed that, saying motorcyclists do not embrace speeding or alcohol any more than operators of other vehicles. The company encourages safe behavior, he said. As for the sharp increase in deaths, Hansen said, "I can't say how these accidents happen, why they happen or what the causes are."

But motorcycle culture and even the news media often explicitly sanction the violation of public safety laws.

Take, for example, this recent upbeat review: "As I rocketed toward Angeles Crest Highway on California State Route 2 … I clicked into second, and cracked 100." The speed limit on that highway is 45 mph and lower in some places.

If the current trends persist, it seems reasonable to look for answers. It would be possible to limit the horsepower of motorcycles, but not politically feasible. After all, operators can take their bikes to off-road tracks and legally test their top speeds. So, the focus should be on stopping extreme speeding on public roads.

My suggestion: Instead of fines of a few hundred dollars, how about a $5,000 fine or vehicle forfeiture for exceeding the speed limit by more than 50 mph with any vehicle? It could take such penalties to get the message across that people like Elisa Gigliotti should still be alive.

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My opinion is, and always has been, that it should not cost so much to be a member to a track. Government programs should be developed that give riders a place to get their jollies, I think they would be less likely to speed on public roads.

It certainly will not solve the problem completely, however, I think it will be more effective than just pure increses in fines (punishment). As a behavioral psychologist, I always recomend making appropriate ways to engage in the behavior (speeding on a closed coarse) more available with an increased punishment contingency (higher fines), whenever attempting to change human behavior.

Punishing behavior only works in so far as the punisher (cop) is present in some way.

That's why everyone brakes like crazy as they approach the speed trap and then speed back up like five miles down the road. You always slow down when the cop is behind you.... but what do you do when the cop is speeding in front of you???

just an opinion, take it for what it's worth.

 
That's why everyone brakes like crazy as they approach the speed trap and then speed back up like five miles down the road. You always slow down when the cop is behind you.... but what do you do when the cop is speeding in front of you???
just an opinion, take it for what it's worth.
I see this on a daily basis...

A cop will be cruising at, ANY speed, And the people behind him are acting like he is a pace car and a nascar race! :glare:

 
"I see this on a daily basis...

A cop will be cruising at, ANY speed, And the people behind him are acting like he is a pace car and a nascar race! "

I'm sure that is nationwide, It's sure true here....

 
"I see this on a daily basis...A cop will be cruising at, ANY speed, And the people behind him are acting like he is a pace car and a nascar race! "

I'm sure that is nationwide, It's sure true here....
Yup nationwide. I see it in every state i am in

 
I remember in the late sixties and early seventys we could go to the dragstrip at Irwindale ca. and run all night long for a few dollars. It was a great way to curb a lot of the street racing and do it in a safe enviornment. There are way to many TV shows and movies that encourage bullshit antics on the street.

 
From the LA Times, but you have to be registered to read the article.
https://www.latimes.com/classified/automoti...way1-yourwheels

My suggestion: Instead of fines of a few hundred dollars, how about a $5,000 fine or vehicle forfeiture for exceeding the speed limit by more than 50 mph with any vehicle? It could take such penalties to get the message across that people like Elisa Gigliotti should still be alive.

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Fines of a few hundred dollars make a point and are a deterrent. A fine as high as $5,000 is life altering for most of us. A normally good citizen would be inclined to run if faced with a fine that high and take their chances of a get away. In most of the rural areas where speed limits are most likely to be exceeded, police presence is low therefore the old arguement that you can't out run a radio doesn't really apply. There is no one to radio. Most noncriminals will comply and pull over knowing a $500 ticket is their punishment. A $5000 ticket may criminalize the average Joe Biker.

 
Translation: LA Times tires of going after Big Tobacco to go after Big Moto in their relentless pursuit to perfect the world.

 
A Suzuki racing bike screaming at 80 mph in a 25-mph zone slammed into Gigliotti on Oct. 4 as she was leaving her job at Long Beach City College, igniting a fireball inside her Ford Escort.
This line says it all, 80 in a 25 is way past stupid.

Riders like this give all riders a black eye, the non riding public needs only a few cases like this to label the whole community as wild eyed, speed crazed, power junkies. If enough reckless riders (120 mph wheelies on public roads) continue to represent us, we are all looking at HP limits.

I love my high powered FJR and I use it. I also use my head and avoid dangerous (to myself and others)behavior on public roads.

As long as otherwise sane riders continue to condone insane street riding, it will continue. I find that most LEO's have little tolerance for sport bike riders, and who's fault is that.

We all need to look in the mirror and be honest about the reasons we are all getting a bad reputation.

Let me put this soapbox away before I fall off. :D

Zoltan

 
Translation: LA Times tires of going after Big Tobacco to go after Big Moto in their relentless pursuit to perfect the world.
Translation to the translation: This is where the wheels on these types of threads devolve into politics. Warning! Keep this thread SPECIFICALLY about pending motorcycle legislation, regulation, and laws.

 
This line says it all, 80 in a 25 is way past stupid.
Riders like this give all riders a black eye, the non riding public needs only a few cases like this to label the whole community as wild eyed, speed crazed, power junkies. If enough reckless riders (120 mph wheelies on public roads) continue to represent us, we are all looking at HP limits.

I love my high powered FJR and I use it. I also use my head and avoid dangerous (to myself and others)behavior on public roads.

As long as otherwise sane riders continue to condone insane street riding, it will continue. I find that most LEO's have little tolerance for sport bike riders, and who's fault is that.

We all need to look in the mirror and be honest about the reasons we are all getting a bad reputation.

Let me put this soapbox away before I fall off. :D

Zoltan
+1

 
"According to a recent report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, there were 4,553 fatalities in motorcycle accidents in 2005. Those deaths include only the operators and passengers on the bikes. "

I Love statistis.

In these accidents - How many were caused by the bike and in how many was the bike a victim?

 
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I'll consider their proposal for HP limits, immediately AFTER implementing a law against cell phone use and mandatory driving tests for license renewals. And just as a side note...

That reflects an emerging motorcycle culture that embraces every possible danger factor: extreme speed, reckless behavior, alcohol impairment and many older riders past their prime, says Champagne.
Exactly who does he consider "older". Now that really gets my redneck blood cranked up. I'm considering using some ff miles to fly out to LA and kick his shiny baby ass.

 
Has anyone in the L.A. area bothered to write to the paper? A rebuttal on the editorial page, perhaps citing ZZKenoman's recent adventure with an SUV? If the SoCal riders would flood the "Time's" offices with letters pointing out the correct use of facts, say reduced to accidents per miles travelled, and discuss politely the dangers that unobservant automobiles cause motorcyclists. Be sure to express your outrage at the motorcycle RIDER who caused this accident and suggest a different solution, like tiered licensing. (Motorcycle Consumer News and Rider Magazine have both been full of usefull facts lately. The AMA is keeping an eye on the legislation that is being imported from Europe that could affect us all in the next 5-10 years---like no aftermarket pipes, etc.)

Irresponsibility is the same whether driving a car or riding a motorcycle. Excessive speed is the same for the highpowered autos that are seen all across the Southland. A writer might question why someone needs a Ferrari, Masserati, Lamborghini or Corvette, since they are all capable of 180-200 mph. Or question the need for a Hummer given the quantity of gasoline it used per mile. Just some ideas for anyone in the L.A. basin who actually wants to WRITE the Times to defend our passion.

As a community, we motorcyclists must speak out against the behavior that led to this incident. If not, we will be lumped together with the image the Times is fomenting.

 
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Madmike I agree with almost everything you say wholeheartedly, except the bit about 180mph+ supercars. I see a difference in that a very average 18 year old can buy a GSXR, a motorcycle I happen to think should come with a training prequisite. Maybe I should dig out my flame retardent undies, body shots I can take :)

 
Has anyone in the L.A. area bothered to write to the paper?
El Tiempo de Los Angeles has a poor record of publishing contrary readers' opinions once they take a stance on a topic or issue. Too bad Otis Chandler passed, for he woulda been on the editor like stank on a ho. Of course, we could do a BARF attack like they did with that dickhead DJ up in the Bay Area last year...

Hmmmmm...

 
I wince every time I read one of these things. Pisses me off that some inexperienced asshat would do something that irresponsible in an area crowded with people and cars -- if you want to kill yourself, that's a different matter from endangering others.

Problem is that we're in the minority as motorcyclists, and especially as motorcyclists on high powered bikes. I think it's safer to have that extra HP to pass quickly with, and I'm sure all who have been riding for a week before next finding yourself in a passing situation in the family sedan can relate.

I agree that there should be an experience requirement to be able to register and ride more powerful bikes -- mostly because I fear the alternative legislation. Amen also to cell phone legislation and driving skills tests. As to older riders, I'll take the skills and reactions of a 55 year old with 35 years of riding experience over a 20 year old with 2 pretty much every time.

The problem seems to be that there are too many inexperienced or profoundly stupid riders giving these types too much ammunition to make these appealing rants to the non-motorcycling public who think bikes are dangerous and/or have ever had a reason to be pissed off at one rider and directed it at all of us.

The stupid irony of that proposed huge fine for speeds more than a specified exceedance (beyond the incentive to run) is that there's a big difference between doing that on an empty road in range land and doing that in a congested urban or suburban area.

 
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