AVGeek
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember The Governator signing the bill that banned aftermarket exhausts unless they carried the EPA approval stamp? I haven't lived in California for a few years, so was this law overturned?
Loud Pipes (When Lane Splitting In California)
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azitlies
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This is when we start getting into the silliness of this folks. Guess that's why we call it neprt?
Maybe they see you, maybe they don't look because they're texting? Maybe they hear you instead of see you?
People have (basically) five senses, nothing wrong with trying to alert them of your presence in any way possible. We seem to be losing the point of the thread...
Could you lane split without loud pipes? of course you can.
Could loud pipes possibly help when lane splitting? of course they can.
I don't see what there is to argue about.
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+ 10 It's EXACTLY as you say. Had exactly that happen a few weeks back and all the blaringly loud unmuffled pipes did was scare the shit out of me as the bike zipped between me and the car to the right. First reaction after the adrenalin surge was to be pissed off. If I'd seen him earlier, I'd have done what I usually do -- give the bike more courtesy room up the line he's riding.
Again -- spot on!
Only applies on 2013 and later model bikes, IIRC.
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A valve is slower to open than a horn is to honk or a light switch is to turn on headlight modulators.
TomInPA
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Funny story about loud pipes:
The past two weekends, I've been ferrying station vehicles in various municipal Christmas parades in my area.
At one, there was a group of 8 ditch-pump bikes in the formation in front of me. They spent the entire time before the parade started rev-tuning their bikes. ALL 8 were sporting straight pipes and were obnoxiously louder than shit.
Being in a radio station vehicle, complete with external amplified sound systems (for playing holiday music), I simply cranked the volume up to 11 to drown out the potatoes.
Just before the parade began moving, two of the the aforementioned came back to me and asked me to turn the music down...they thought it was "rude" (to be playing Christmas music in a Christmas parade) and couldn't hear their bikes!
Told them "I can't...management is concerned about safety of those IN the parade AND observers who might wish to run out in front of my van because they couldn't see or hear this
moving along the parade route....Besides..." I told them "...loud music saves lives!"
(yes, those are real speakers)
Both the captain and his first mate had looks on their faces like I'd hit them with a mackerel.
They "fought" back, revving louder and louder, 'til the town LEOs providing security asked the group to leave.
It was PRICELESS!
The past two weekends, I've been ferrying station vehicles in various municipal Christmas parades in my area.
At one, there was a group of 8 ditch-pump bikes in the formation in front of me. They spent the entire time before the parade started rev-tuning their bikes. ALL 8 were sporting straight pipes and were obnoxiously louder than shit.
Being in a radio station vehicle, complete with external amplified sound systems (for playing holiday music), I simply cranked the volume up to 11 to drown out the potatoes.
Just before the parade began moving, two of the the aforementioned came back to me and asked me to turn the music down...they thought it was "rude" (to be playing Christmas music in a Christmas parade) and couldn't hear their bikes!
Told them "I can't...management is concerned about safety of those IN the parade AND observers who might wish to run out in front of my van because they couldn't see or hear this
moving along the parade route....Besides..." I told them "...loud music saves lives!"
(yes, those are real speakers)
Both the captain and his first mate had looks on their faces like I'd hit them with a mackerel.
They "fought" back, revving louder and louder, 'til the town LEOs providing security asked the group to leave.
It was PRICELESS!
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johnny80s
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I have holeshot cans on my FJR with ff50s. I always have the ff50s on with my high beams. People can see me, if they are looking and if I come up on a person that needs to move over I rev the motor and sometimes they move. My hotshots are not annoying but are louder than the stock silent exhaust. In really tight slow moving traffic having louder pipes lets you get people's attention with the blip of a throttle. I feel that is nicer than honking my horn.
You should definitely tag a long to fairlaner lane splitting some day.
You should definitely tag a long to fairlaner lane splitting some day.
I think you need to really worry about being seen. Fairlaner brings up a good point, the lights would get their attention, if the cagers are paying attention. If the lights can shine into their mirrors great, you got their attention and maybe pissed them off too. Not sure which is better.
Lane sharing is really up to the rider overtaking the cages. You must be a good judge of what's going on and what might happen, period. Lights, pipes, horns, etc, are good things to help be seen or heard, but you can't be gunning your motor, laying into your horn the entire time you're lane sharing.
It’s all a risk, mitigate the risk. Be seen.
Ride safe.
Lane sharing is really up to the rider overtaking the cages. You must be a good judge of what's going on and what might happen, period. Lights, pipes, horns, etc, are good things to help be seen or heard, but you can't be gunning your motor, laying into your horn the entire time you're lane sharing.
It’s all a risk, mitigate the risk. Be seen.
Ride safe.
SkooterG
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Well what do you know, the Queen's little subject hit a grand slam, or whatever you would call the equivalent in cricket. And be forewarned: lane sharing lessons with Fairlaner are the equivalent learning Quantum Physics and the Theory of Relativity. NOT for the faint of heart. But great FUN!
Funny story about loud pipes:
The past two weekends, I've been ferrying station vehicles in various municipal Christmas parades in my area.
At one, there was a group of 8 ditch-pump bikes in the formation in front of me. They spent the entire time before the parade started rev-tuning their bikes. ALL 8 were sporting straight pipes and were obnoxiously louder than shit.
Being in a radio station vehicle, complete with external amplified sound systems (for playing holiday music), I simply cranked the volume up to 11 to drown out the potatoes.
Just before the parade began moving, two of the the aforementioned came back to me and asked me to turn the music down...they thought it was "rude" (to be playing Christmas music in a Christmas parade) and couldn't hear their bikes!
Told them "I can't...management is concerned about safety of those IN the parade AND observers who might wish to run out in front of my van because they couldn't see or hear this
moving along the parade route....Besides..." I told them "...loud music saves lives!"
(yes, those are real speakers)
Both the captain and his first mate had looks on their faces like I'd hit them with a mackerel.
They "fought" back, revving louder and louder, 'til the town LEOs providing security asked the group to leave.
It was PRICELESS!
You are my HERO!
As for loud pipes, I think the rider of this Harley Sportster summed it up well:
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LAF
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Must be a CA physics thing. If a sound is behind you how would someone in front of you hear it. If you are at someones rear bumper with your front wheel in the "third" lane, how the hell can he hear your bike? Oh well I am dense and no I do not lane split here in PA. And if I could do it here I am not sure I would because of the inherant risk of placing my life in the hands of those drivers on either side of me. I was taught to control my lane and bike, how do I know what hundreds of drivers are going to do as I move through the "third" lane?
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Wow, what did I start? You guys did get me to stay away from the slip-ons but still think I might get the remote cut-off one I talked about where I can make it stupid "loud" with the touch of my finger, and the price isn't too bad.
Guess it's the old "rebel biker" ex-Harley guy in me. It feels good being an "asshole" at times. And, yes, I do make a point to waive thanks to anybody that moves over, even a little, for me when splitting the lanes.
Guess it's the old "rebel biker" ex-Harley guy in me. It feels good being an "asshole" at times. And, yes, I do make a point to waive thanks to anybody that moves over, even a little, for me when splitting the lanes.
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Whatever. Let neither hypocrisy nor the Golden Rule get in the way of you being a "rebel".
SkooterG
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Well said Rich. Vance, you got it all wrong. Slip-ons ok, obnoxious loud NOT ok. Don't be another asshole.
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How do I take back my "Like" on your previous post?
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okay. I surrender. I'm going to stay quiet, not even the remote to be an asshole once in a while. I'm 51 now and I guess it's time to grow up and face it. Just thought I'd start that obnoxious second childhood, even though I put my parents through hell for the first one. I GET IT GUYS AND GALS. Let's be politically correct here. Girls do ride too!!!!!
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Redfish Hunter
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There is no comparison between the rumble and growl of a quality FJR exhaust and the rapping blapping obnoxious sound of the pirate exhaust. As bad as I hate the sound of the Harley with loud pipes, I despise the sound of loud pipes on the metric cruiser, Honda Davidson, Yamadavidson, Harley wannabes even more. At least the Harley is supposed to sound like that and has some soul. The Japanese Harley clones are just loud with no quality or tone to their sound.
I group the loud pipes jerks into the same category as the thugs that are playing their rap music too loud next to me on the road. If it is loud enough to bother someone in their vehicle with the windows up, it is too loud and the aggravating sack of crap doing the offending should lose the priviledge of operating their vehicle on public roads. Worse, these jerks irritate the general public enough to make all motorcyclists lose priviledges and freedoms.
With regards to the system that opens the valve and dumps the exhaust out without any muffling, this is not good either. The FJR with completely open exhaust sounds horrible. That deep rumbling growl that is such a wonderful part of the FJR experience is gone. Going by my experience of riding Dad's home and to the dealership with no cans installed after his crash, the bike felt very down on power. The motor needs some back pressure to build the torque that we all love.
I group the loud pipes jerks into the same category as the thugs that are playing their rap music too loud next to me on the road. If it is loud enough to bother someone in their vehicle with the windows up, it is too loud and the aggravating sack of crap doing the offending should lose the priviledge of operating their vehicle on public roads. Worse, these jerks irritate the general public enough to make all motorcyclists lose priviledges and freedoms.
With regards to the system that opens the valve and dumps the exhaust out without any muffling, this is not good either. The FJR with completely open exhaust sounds horrible. That deep rumbling growl that is such a wonderful part of the FJR experience is gone. Going by my experience of riding Dad's home and to the dealership with no cans installed after his crash, the bike felt very down on power. The motor needs some back pressure to build the torque that we all love.
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azitlies
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Definitely don't want to beat this dead horse...
But because you may not realize, not having done this. Most (all?) of the splitting riders do in Cali is simply filtering up to the front of traffic at a light. So the cars are stopped and the bikes are getting to the front.
Because sound isn't directional, stopped cars can hear the bikers coming and (hopefully) get out of the way (make room for the bike).
Of course at speed, the sound emanating forward is lessened. That's where the "all the sound is behind you" comes from.
Again, the filtering and splitting I did, was okay with my stock pipes. But I can also understand someone wanting louder pipes in some of those situations.
Now back to your regularly scheduled dog pile
