Marine motorcycle deaths top their Iraq combat fatalities

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QUANTICO, Virginia (CNN) -- Motorcycle accidents have killed more Marines in the past 12 months than enemy fire in Iraq, a rate that's so alarming it has prompted top brass to call a meeting to address the issue, officials say.

Despite crashes, Gunnery Sgt. Art Tucker rides a sport motorcycle. "I enjoy it. ... It relaxes me," he says.

Twenty-five Marines have died in motorcycle crashes since last November -- all but one of them involving sport bikes that can reach speeds of well over 100 mph, according to Marine officials. In that same period, 20 Marines have been killed in action in Iraq.

The 25 deaths are the highest motorcycle death toll ever for the Marine Corps.

Gen. James Amos, the assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, told CNN that commanders are trying to drill down on what "we need to do to help our Marines survive on these sport bikes."

"The Marines are very serious about it," he said. Watch these aren't your father's Harleys »

Marine Gunnery Sgt. Art Tucker knows all too well about the dangers of sport bikes. An owner of a Kawasaki Ninja, Tucker has had two crashes, and the second one nearly killed him.

"I sustained a broken collar bone, I tore the shoulder out of the socket, I tore three ligaments in the shoulder, the rotator cuff, I broke three vertebrae," said Tucker, a drill instructor for new officers.

"The worst was a head injury I received: a bruised brain. And it caused hemorrhaging, and from that I had partial paralysis of the left leg, full paralysis of the left foot and toes, and that was for approximately six months."

Amos said he and other top Marine officials will spend half the day Monday "focusing on nothing but motorcycle issues." The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James Conway, and other senior leadership will attend the meeting at the Quantico, Virginia, Marine base, he said.

About 18,000 of the nearly 200,000 Marines are believed to own motorcycles, Amos said.

The Marines have taken some measures. The Marine Corps has had a long-standing policy for all Marines who ride motorcycles to take a mandatory basic riding course. More recently, it added a second training course specifically designed to train Marines who ride sport bikes.

Any Marine caught riding, even on leave, without going through the training courses faces Marine Corps punishment, officials say.

On a recent day at the Quantico training track, Marines whizzed by on their bikes.

"I think the basic rider course has been great," said Cpl. Austin Oakley. "Here, they put you in situations you want to be weary of out in that open road."

Oakley said he recently returned to the United States from Japan, and he immediately jumped at the chance to buy a sport bike. He said it's not uncommon for Marines to have motorcycle clubs within their units.

"We'll go out on rides together. Fridays for lunchtime, we'll all meet up and go to lunch," Oakley said. "When I get on my motorcycle, it's me and the motorcycle. I don't need to go fast. I don't need to do anything like that. It's just being free."

The rise in motorcycle deaths isn't confined to Marines. The Navy says it's had 33 deaths on motorcycles over the past 12 months -- a 65 percent jump from the previous time period. And authorities say motorcycle deaths have been a problem in the civilian world, too.

Military officials say they're not sure why the deaths are on the rise. They initially believed the accidents might involve mostly young Marines and sailors around 18 or 19 years old. But Navy statistics show that five of the victims were 25, the most prevalent of any age involved in the crashes. And two 40-year-old sailors were killed in motorcycle crashes.

Gen. Amos said the Marines have seen a similar trend.

But he says the new training seems to be working: Of the 300 young men and women who have gone through the sport-bike course, only three have had accidents.

The safety course instructors said some Marines who go through the training decide the sport bike is not for them.

But even some Marines who've survived past crashes still want to ride again, even after they get the new training.

"I enjoy it," said Tucker. "I can actually get on my motorcycle and ride, and it's just like if I were to do bowling or rock climbing or scuba diving. It's something for me. It relaxes me."

 
Amos said he and other top Marine officials will spend half the day Monday "focusing on nothing but motorcycle issues." The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James Conway, and other senior leadership will attend the meeting at the Quantico, Virginia, Marine base, he said.
Ohhhhh, my. This is no good for young Marine sportbike riders.

Tying up senior brass at this level for an entire half-day is going to result in directives that I am pretty sure will be extremely unpopular among Leatherneck sportbike riders.... :unsure:

 
Back in the day, if you screwed up, your sorry butt got sent to to 'Nam. I wonder what they will come up with now.

Semper Fi

 
Amos said he and other top Marine officials will spend half the day Monday "focusing on nothing but motorcycle issues." The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James Conway, and other senior leadership will attend the meeting at the Quantico, Virginia, Marine base, he said.
Ohhhhh, my. This is no good for young Marine sportbike riders.

Tying up senior brass at this level for an entire half-day is going to result in directives that I am pretty sure will be extremely unpopular among Leatherneck sportbike riders.... :unsure:
Like:

Clothing/gear requirements.

Specific training one MUST pass.

Rigorous monitoring of one's driving record.

Instant and severe punishment for abuse of riding privileges.

...or at least written entries in one's service record.

Still, with that many deaths on public streets by trained, schooled, valuable fighting men, they will do something to curb the excesses of aggressive street riding of sport bikes. If that many men had been injured by any other cause they would be in serious and direct pursuit of a solution or remedy, be it medically or whatever.

 
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I know that for many military people that have just come back from combat situations, once you get home you don't have the adrenaline rush that you used to get while out on missions. Riding a bike a bit too quick, or just flat out pushing the envelope into the "danger zone" is one way to easily get that rush back. I'm sure that's not the only reason Marines, as well as the military as a whole, are having this problem, but pretty sure it's a big contributor.

G26

 
I think these young guys love risk. That is why they signed on. They are Marines. Obviously they love sport bikes.

I say give them all the motorcycle training they need. Spare no expense. Get them the right gear at reduced prices (Group Buy!).

Any Marine death is tragic.

Art

 
I know my #2 son's Army unit faced this problem, when they returned from their first Iraq tour. The battalion Col. (himself a motorcyclist) took charge. The accident rate disappeared after he ordered no more motorcycle purchases, without his approval. He took it upon himself to see the boys were trained how to ride, and wouldn't allow them to ride on their own, until they passed, and spent some time riding with him.

Bases usually have rules for riding motorcycles - they must wear reflective vests, ect.. Free training and cheap protective gear is a good idea. The base PX has some pretty good deals on helmets and stuff, but maybe an organized, even cheaper gear program is in order.

On the other hand... I am wondering what the accident rate is, for young servicemen driving autos? I spent a lot of time visiting my boy, and many of his comrades-in-arms frequently crashed cars, under some of the most ridiculous circumstances. Of course, the injuries were less serious, but a lot of those kids just plain can't drive. Many of them come from large cities, or never had the money to own a car (or a bike). The results are predictable.

I think the fact is - active young men with a little money will get themselves into trouble. You can't completely control that, but a little guidance is not a bad thing.

 
I read this article when it first came out and my first thought was, young adrenaline junkies being turned loose. Was no different in the military in the 70's. And if we look back to the end of WWII, the current motorcycle trend started when the G.I.s came home and didn't want to go back to the farm. Biggest difference is the machines available today. Still a sad irony to come home safe and die in the safe environment of home.

 
Unfortunately, this tread has been around for longer than the last 12 months. I got involved as a battalion safety SNCO in '02, and it was a trend then. The simple fact is that we loose more Marines to off duty recreation and POV mishaps than while putting live rounds down range in the desert. The focus has turned to motorcyclist because there has been such an increase in fatalities on that front.

Lets face it, if these kids could afford Ferrari's, we'd have POV (car) mishap rate increases to match. These kids can, however, return from OIF or OEF with a pretty good wade of $$ in their pocket, spend less than a hour at a m/c dealership, and ride out the latest GXSR/YZFR/CBR/ZX repli-racer that makes 180+ hp with no license, no training, no experience.

The II MEF CG took huge steps in the last couple of years to get some advanced level training to the Marines. They contacted Keith Code and asked him to develop an advance rider course that could be presented to Marines and Sailors of the MEF in an off-track environment. I was fortunate enough to attend in September 2007. The training was top notch; Mr. Code was on deck for all the courses, not just sitting in the truck, but out on the tarmac coaching and instructing with his staff. The course address key issues that we have been seeing as trends with mishaps; lack of corning ability, lack of proper braking technique. As a spin off of this training, the Marine Corps has purchased a sport bike specific course to be taught on base to sportbike riders.

We took the Keith Code experience back to our units, and as mentors pulled in younger riders and used it to "open their eyes" to a whole new world of control on the bike. There was no better sight than seeing the light bulb come on when they started to get it; that there was more to riding the wheelie's in traffic.

The powers that be will continue to regulate us until only the die-hards are left. Younger riders just will not be willing to go through the hassle to ride. It's sad, but simple truth. I'm just too stubborn to give up. My command just finished the investigation into my incident. They know I'm "Mr. Safety" when it comes to riding, but they had to prove to higher. We took pictures of our gear, submitted my training certificates, etc.

While running the MSF program on Parris Island, I can not count the number of phone calls I'd get by a young motivator who was signing up for a class and was about to pick up his new bike; then the number of calls from that Marines boss telling me that the Marine was in the hospital or not with us anymore due to trying to ride before the class... I made more trips to that hospital than I could ever forget.

It is just a sad, sad thing to think about these your warriors and know what heroic actions they accomplish while "over there" who come home and die needlessly at home where we're supposed to be out of harms way.

Semper Fidelis

Wayne.

SSgt

U.S. Marine Corps

I-I Staff

1st Bn, 24th Marines

 
This article is a #1 prime example of irresponsible media coverage.

How many deaths by other types of motor vehicle accidents for Marines during the same time period?

How about "other" causes of death?

Death of any Marine is a tragic loss. There's no argument to that. But that single-minded comparison between motorcycle related deaths and combat deaths is tragically irresponsible journalism.

I live next to the largest Marine base in the world. Most of those young guys are my neighbors, many of them my friends. It really bothers me to see this kind of media coverage and the possibly distorted message it presents.

 
Good point and agreed; motorcycle mishaps are just a sub-category of POV & off duty recreation mishaps. This includes automobiles, motorcycles, atv, jetski's, boats, etc.

Wayne

This article is a #1 prime example of irresponsible media coverage.
How many deaths by other types of motor vehicle accidents for Marines during the same time period?

How about "other" causes of death?

Death of any Marine is a tragic loss. There's no argument to that. But that single-minded comparison between motorcycle related deaths and combat deaths is tragically irresponsible journalism.

I live next to the largest Marine base in the world. Most of those young guys are my neighbors, many of them my friends. It really bothers me to see this kind of media coverage and the possibly distorted message it presents.
 
Just left the Naval Safety Center site. For Dept of the Navy (USN and USMC) for FY 08 (oct 07 - sep 08):

58 Deaths (2 were pax)

87% were sportbikes

63% were, or could be construed as operator error, or single vehicle accident.

- Lost control, speeding//8 bikes/14% of accidents

- Ran into vehicle//7/13%

- Lost control, hit object//12/21%

- Lost control//3/5%

- "Unknown"//19/34%

- Struck by veh pulling into traffic//1/2%

- Struck by oncoming veh//1/2%

As to bikes:

6 were CBR 600s

4 were GSXR 600s

2 were R1s

2 were ZX 600

1 was a Hayabusa

all the rest were one of a kinds

On the Marine side:

- 25 Fatalities

- 12 Day//9 night//4 dusk

- 76% were age 25 or below

- 24 Enlisted/1 Officer

- 72% were Sgt or below

- 60% were 600cc

- 88% were sportbikes

- 72% were in the lost control catagory

The statistics do support that the vast majority are riding sportbikes and 57% are 25 or below (all DoN). If there is any good news here, it is that proper training and talking to our fellow Marines and Sailors about riding responsibly can reduce these deaths. We all need to do our part.

Semper Fi.

 
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with a little math:

Out of 50 Naval sportbike deaths, 35 were on "one of a kind" sportbikes?

Do they have some kind of deathtrap build school we don't know about?

 
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