Auron
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I'm not too happy with the understeer during initial turn in of the stock B-stones, I'll be going for the PR3's eventually, can someone confirm what I'm noticing right now is not characteristic of the bike?
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Top_Speed1
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I got the same bike as you and had the same tires as you. They suck moose-wad for twisties! I went to PR2's and immediately saw/felt a huge difference in turn-in and cornering. It's more now a balance to steer in vs. steering w handlebars to initiate the turn-in if that makes any kind of sense.
I fatsided the rear and so far I'm liken it.
TomInPA
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I only got about 3500 miles out of the Bridgestone 021 tires anyway. I thought when new, they had pretty decent turn-in and hold, but the shoulders wore away very quickly making the bike feel like it was falling into turns. Not a good feeling. This is what they looked like at 3500 miles, and were replaced with Pilot Road 2 tires. For some reason, I always wear out the right side of the front tire first regardless of brand. Same on the recently deceased PR3s removed at 7300 miles.
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RadioHowie
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GeorgiaRoller
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Ok...not real happy at all with the mileage on my rear PR3!!!! :angry:
Now I am NOT one of those riders that rides on a tire until the cords are showing. All it takes is getting caught out in one downpour rain storm with a bald tire to start fishtailing it & going down. So I usually change a tire when there is just barely any tread in the center of the tire. My last PR2 rear tire I got 6,800 miles and there was still a little bit of tread.
But I only got 5,900 miles out of this PR3 and the center of the tire is completely bald! Looks like I'm going back to the cheaper and longer lasting PR2 next.
Now I am NOT one of those riders that rides on a tire until the cords are showing. All it takes is getting caught out in one downpour rain storm with a bald tire to start fishtailing it & going down. So I usually change a tire when there is just barely any tread in the center of the tire. My last PR2 rear tire I got 6,800 miles and there was still a little bit of tread.
But I only got 5,900 miles out of this PR3 and the center of the tire is completely bald! Looks like I'm going back to the cheaper and longer lasting PR2 next.
redneckj
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It appears to me that your air pressure was run way too low and or your bike is weighted down too much. NOT trying to flame you, it is just my observation. I have almost 2500 miles on my PR3's and they appear to still be almost new. NO complaints yet on the construction of these tires. The turn in of the front is not what I am use to (PP2CT) but I am getting use to it.
TomInPA
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I have to agree with Georgia Roller. After getting over 11K miles out of my PR2 rear tire, I went to the Ruben Run RTE with 6800 miles on my PR3. At 7300 miles, they were not safe for the 600 mile return trip. The front was worn across the first third of the shoulder, and the rear was fully worn and soft in the center...more so than the pic above. I bought PR2 tires in Bend OR.
For me, the PR3s wear faster, but seem to have somewhat better wet traction, and I do not ever run with low air pressure, and never carry a passenger.
For me, the PR3s wear faster, but seem to have somewhat better wet traction, and I do not ever run with low air pressure, and never carry a passenger.
FJRay
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I think the PR3 is going to wear faster because of thr tread design. The extra siping makes for good wet traction but also makes for more flexing of the tread causing faster wear. Just an opinion based on changing lots of tires. I have been very happy with the PR2.
Tom, those of us of a certain size are asking the bike to carry two up all the time.
Tom, those of us of a certain size are asking the bike to carry two up all the time.
TomInPA
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Us? :huh:I think the PR3 is going to wear faster because of thr tread design. The extra siping makes for good wet traction but also makes for more flexing of the tread causing faster wear. Just an opinion based on changing lots of tires. I have been very happy with the PR2.
Tom, those of us of a certain size are asking the bike to carry two up all the time.
HotRodZilla
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Yes, you (us) jackass...when I got home, my mileage from my PR3s figured at 6900 miles. A little more than 2k less than what I wanted. Hell that's less than my Roadsmarts and I liked the RSs better. We'll see how these new Angels perform and then the search will be on for another good tire.Us? :huh:I think the PR3 is going to wear faster because of thr tread design. The extra siping makes for good wet traction but also makes for more flexing of the tread causing faster wear. Just an opinion based on changing lots of tires. I have been very happy with the PR2.
Tom, those of us of a certain size are asking the bike to carry two up all the time.
Maybe I'll try the RS2. If not, probably standard RoadSmarts unless these Angels prove to be better than what I've heard. Maybe I'll actually try a set of PR2s...
redneckj
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On my 01 FZ1 my favorite combo was running a PR2 on the rear and a PP2CT on the front. It seemed to actually be a fairly popular combo on that bike. Has anyone tried that combo on their FJR yet?
GeorgiaRoller
Exit Stage Left
...and on what basis of observation did you come to the conclusion that my tires are underinflated?I run 42psi in my rear tire 100% of the time and check the air pressure regularly. Your "observation" is incorrect.
I estimate that I ran 2up 50% of the time on this rear tire.
I have no complaints about how the PR3's handle. In fact I cannot tell a difference in handling between the PR2 or PR3. Both are very good handling tires. My only complaint is that the PR3 are supposed to be a higher mileage tire but at least in my case they are not.
JT Pedersen
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Howdy,
Riding season's already started slowing for me a bit . Since my last post in this thread, I've logged 2,000 more miles. Had some opportunities to find more curves than usual during a bit of touring.
At this point I have 10,000 miles on the tires, both installed same time. Most of my riding is solo, commuting. Most of my mileage is logged on the highway commuting ~40 miles/leg. Tire pressures are 40F/42R.
As you can see from the images (high res version: https://bit.ly/TealH9), the tires are showing signs of wear. The front's center strip is noticeably proud relative to the shoulders which are visibly showing wear now. The rear is doing good. I had thought the rear would be toast by 10,500, but looks to be good for at least another 1,500.
For me, the ride quality--wet and dry--has been good. Comparing the cost of the tires (I paid $317 to my door) and the mileage I'm getting relative to other brands, they are certainly proving to be very cost effective.
This is the first set of tires (rear in particular) to give me more than 6-8K on a litre class bike--ever. Normally I've toasted the rear in 6-8K miles. So I just keep on adding up miles wondering when 'this' set will give out. Definitely another set in my future.
Given the front's wear now starting to show, and it 'starting' to get a bit thin in the center, I expect to replace both tires at the same time next year.
There's a lot of ambiguity involved (right-grip aggressiveness, environment, road pavement compositions, two-up, etc.) when comparing performance between riders. Even so, I will admit I find it interesting how a number of us can reach/exceed 10K on a set, while others are complaining they're toast at 5-6K. Doesn't seem to be a lot of mid-ground. Of course, I've seen similar discussions for other tires/brands in other machine forums too. So...who knows.
Riding season's already started slowing for me a bit
. Since my last post in this thread, I've logged 2,000 more miles. Had some opportunities to find more curves than usual during a bit of touring.
At this point I have 10,000 miles on the tires, both installed same time. Most of my riding is solo, commuting. Most of my mileage is logged on the highway commuting ~40 miles/leg. Tire pressures are 40F/42R.
As you can see from the images (high res version: https://bit.ly/TealH9), the tires are showing signs of wear. The front's center strip is noticeably proud relative to the shoulders which are visibly showing wear now. The rear is doing good. I had thought the rear would be toast by 10,500, but looks to be good for at least another 1,500.
For me, the ride quality--wet and dry--has been good. Comparing the cost of the tires (I paid $317 to my door) and the mileage I'm getting relative to other brands, they are certainly proving to be very cost effective.
This is the first set of tires (rear in particular) to give me more than 6-8K on a litre class bike--ever. Normally I've toasted the rear in 6-8K miles. So I just keep on adding up miles wondering when 'this' set will give out. Definitely another set in my future.
Given the front's wear now starting to show, and it 'starting' to get a bit thin in the center, I expect to replace both tires at the same time next year.
There's a lot of ambiguity involved (right-grip aggressiveness, environment, road pavement compositions, two-up, etc.) when comparing performance between riders. Even so, I will admit I find it interesting how a number of us can reach/exceed 10K on a set, while others are complaining they're toast at 5-6K. Doesn't seem to be a lot of mid-ground. Of course, I've seen similar discussions for other tires/brands in other machine forums too. So...who knows.
Geno
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I've now got 8K on mine, and look pretty, much like Petersons above. My riding is pretty much twisty 2-lane foothill &mountain roads with minimal superslab time. I'm a pretty sedate rider compared to some, so I guess that accounts for the good tire life.
My only gripe about the PR 2's is they don't have a sipe or tread across the center. So it's hard to determine how much rubber remains in the center of the tire. Tires like this when a long trip comes up usually makes me replace them prematurely as it hard to judge how much life remains.
Bill
Bill
Top_Speed1
Panama Canal Crosser
10,000 miles and they still look very ride-able. Pretty dang good if ya ask meHowdy,
Riding season's already started slowing for me a bit
At this point I have 10,000 miles on the tires, both installed same time. Most of my riding is solo, commuting. Most of my mileage is logged on the highway commuting ~40 miles/leg. Tire pressures are 40F/42R.
As you can see from the images (high res version: https://bit.ly/TealH9), the tires are showing signs of wear. The front's center strip is noticeably proud relative to the shoulders which are visibly showing wear now. The rear is doing good. I had thought the rear would be toast by 10,500, but looks to be good for at least another 1,500.
For me, the ride quality--wet and dry--has been good. Comparing the cost of the tires (I paid $317 to my door) and the mileage I'm getting relative to other brands, they are certainly proving to be very cost effective.
This is the first set of tires (rear in particular) to give me more than 6-8K on a litre class bike--ever. Normally I've toasted the rear in 6-8K miles. So I just keep on adding up miles wondering when 'this' set will give out. Definitely another set in my future.
Given the front's wear now starting to show, and it 'starting' to get a bit thin in the center, I expect to replace both tires at the same time next year.
There's a lot of ambiguity involved (right-grip aggressiveness, environment, road pavement compositions, two-up, etc.) when comparing performance between riders. Even so, I will admit I find it interesting how a number of us can reach/exceed 10K on a set, while others are complaining they're toast at 5-6K. Doesn't seem to be a lot of mid-ground. Of course, I've seen similar discussions for other tires/brands in other machine forums too. So...who knows.
Constant air pressure maintenance is a must to achieve this mark I'm thinking.
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HotRodZilla
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Mine took a shit at 6900, and Tom's went right about the same time, leaving both of us needing tires away from home. I get better mileage from Roadsmarts. Don't think I'll go the PR3 route again.
I got 20k each out of my last front PR3's. cupping was noticeable around 10-12 and ugly to ride on at 16 ( but at least not stranded).
Getting 11-12k out if a pr3 rear. I'm happy
Getting 11-12k out if a pr3 rear. I'm happy
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