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Watching a replay of the race and Stoner went down. Looks like he couldn't hold the bike up -- he must be really hurting. The announcers say Rossi may wrap up the season championship in Indianapolis! Wouldn't that be something for the first modern GP race at Indy?

 
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Watching a replay of the race and Stoner went down. Looks like he couldn't hold the bike up -- he must be really hurting. The announcers say Rossi may wrap up the season championship in Indianapolis! Wouldn't that be something for the first modern GP race at Indy?
Wasnt a very interesting race after Stoner pooped out. I think that Stoner only has straight aways and horse power to claim the holeshot and stay in front of Rossi. But once Rossi swithced tread it seems that all he has to do is pressure Stoner. Casey is certianly good but he seems too bold and perhaps young.

 
Watching a replay of the race and Stoner went down. Looks like he couldn't hold the bike up -- he must be really hurting. The announcers say Rossi may wrap up the season championship in Indianapolis! Wouldn't that be something for the first modern GP race at Indy?
Wasnt a very interesting race after Stoner pooped out. I think that Stoner only has straight aways and horse power to claim the holeshot and stay in front of Rossi. But once Rossi swithced tread it seems that all he has to do is pressure Stoner. Casey is certianly good but he seems too bold and perhaps young.
Agreed, but the broken bone(s) probably don't help him control the bike. I would have to research this, but I thought the announcers said his scapula was broken/fx'd. That would really come into play when hauling the bike over in turns.

 
Agreed, but the broken bone(s) probably don't help him control the bike. I would have to research this, but I thought the announcers said his scapula was broken/fx'd. That would really come into play when hauling the bike over in turns.
I think it's the scaphoid bone in the wrist. I also heard from our Aussie 'expert commentators' (specifically Daryl Beattie, ex MotoGP rider - who fill the gaps during the pre-race stuff) that Casey was riding without painkillers, and it probably didn't need much of a jolt to hurt like hell, lose concentration for a split second, and the next thing you're trying to pick the bike up from the trackside.

 
Agreed, but the broken bone(s) probably don't help him control the bike. I would have to research this, but I thought the announcers said his scapula was broken/fx'd. That would really come into play when hauling the bike over in turns.
I think it's the scaphoid bone in the wrist. I also heard from our Aussie 'expert commentators' (specifically Daryl Beattie, ex MotoGP rider - who fill the gaps during the pre-race stuff) that Casey was riding without painkillers, and it probably didn't need much of a jolt to hurt like hell, lose concentration for a split second, and the next thing you're trying to pick the bike up from the trackside.

That makes sense and thanks for clarifying. It also explains in a better way why the announcers said he couldn't pick up the bike after crashing and why he just walked away. Shame, because I'd like to see him healthy and give Rossi a better run for his money.

 
Watching a replay of the race and Stoner went down. Looks like he couldn't hold the bike up -- he must be really hurting. The announcers say Rossi may wrap up the season championship in Indianapolis! Wouldn't that be something for the first modern GP race at Indy?
Wasnt a very interesting race after Stoner pooped out. I think that Stoner only has straight aways and horse power to claim the holeshot and stay in front of Rossi. But once Rossi swithced tread it seems that all he has to do is pressure Stoner. Casey is certianly good but he seems too bold and perhaps young.
Agreed, but the broken bone(s) probably don't help him control the bike. I would have to research this, but I thought the announcers said his scapula was broken/fx'd. That would really come into play when hauling the bike over in turns.
Maybe thats so, all the more reason to take a "finish the race" strateg. Focus on the big picture and stay in the chanpionship race, but that kid is balls to the wall all the time and he is always riding too close to the edge. I think that if he doesnt stop riding like that crashing will be his destiny. He is good be he is not Rossi (yet), he just has a red bike :)

-Imagine if Yama made the FJR in red!

 
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That makes sense and thanks for clarifying. It also explains in a better way why the announcers said he couldn't pick up the bike after crashing and why he just walked away. Shame, because I'd like to see him healthy and give Rossi a better run for his money.
They played up the injury immediately when he walked away...but reports from folks at the scene indicated that the problem was that the handlebar was broken, so there was no need to pick it up.

After the race Stoner said that the problem was his grip on the front. He said he had taken the bike out to scrub up the tires during warm up. Then the tires had cooled down. Then they'd been put in tire warmers before the race. Finally, he claimed that the chemical composition of the rubber had been affected, and that his grip just wasn't there. Of course he, nor the announcers, are particularly knowledgable about the technical issues....Stoner said last week that he couldn't get the bike going after the BRNO crash because there was a rock somewhere in his carburetion, and the announcers parroted this in yesterday's race commentary. As I'm sure everyone here knows, the bikes are fuel injected. There's a throttle body, but no carburettors.

Four races in a row Stoner makes an error. Rossi really rattled him at Laguna Seca.

The really big news yesterday was that after the race it was announced that Pedrosa has jumped ship from Michelin and will be riding on Bridgestones effective with today's post race testing at Misano. What a lot of egg on everyone's face. HRC, Repsol, Michelin, all explaining that there was nothing wrong with Michelin tires except that they didn't match Pedrosa's riding style.

When you consider that the order of finish yesterday was Bridgestone, Michelin, B, M, B, M, B, M, B, M, its hard to blame the tires for why you weren't on the podium. I think what really ragged Pedrosa most was that he was looking at Lorenzo's and Elias' exhaust pipes all the way to the finish line. Too bad the King of Spain wasn't there to make him shake hands with his fellow Spaniards again.

FWIW, Rossi can't mathematically clinch at Indy because of the tie breaker of most victories. If Rossi wins at Indy and then drops out and Stoner wins the last four races, they would be tied on points, but Stoner would win because he would have 8 victories to Rossi's 7... of course right now Stoner only has 4 victories and Rossi has 6. Its not likely that Stoner will catch him, and the race after Indy will most likely provide the mathematical clinch for Rossi.

One other aside that everyone probably knows is that Rossi tied Ago with 68 premier class victories yesterday. So at Indy, if Rossi were to win, he would become the undisputed all time leader in premier class victories. Ago would still have the upper hand on total premier class championships (8 vs 5 going on 6 for Rossi).

Capirossi appeared in his 277th grand prix yesterday, and so he took the record for appearances from Barros. Hard to believe with all the races and different classes that Ago rode in that he's not up there too. Capirossi and Rossi are both "iron men."

 
They played up the injury immediately when he walked away...but reports from folks at the scene indicated that the problem was that the handlebar was broken, so there was no need to pick it up.
After the race Stoner said that the problem was his grip on the front. He said he had taken the bike out to scrub up the tires during warm up. Then the tires had cooled down. Then they'd been put in tire warmers before the race. Finally, he claimed that the chemical composition of the rubber had been affected, and that his grip just wasn't there. Of course he, nor the announcers, are particularly knowledgable about the technical issues....Stoner said last week that he couldn't get the bike going after the BRNO crash because there was a rock somewhere in his carburetion, and the announcers parroted this in yesterday's race commentary. As I'm sure everyone here knows, the bikes are fuel injected. There's a throttle body, but no carburettors.

Four races in a row Stoner makes an error. Rossi really rattled him at Laguna Seca.

The really big news yesterday was that after the race it was announced that Pedrosa has jumped ship from Michelin and will be riding on Bridgestones effective with today's post race testing at Misano. What a lot of egg on everyone's face. HRC, Repsol, Michelin, all explaining that there was nothing wrong with Michelin tires except that they didn't match Pedrosa's riding style.

When you consider that the order of finish yesterday was Bridgestone, Michelin, B, M, B, M, B, M, B, M, its hard to blame the tires for why you weren't on the podium. I think what really ragged Pedrosa most was that he was looking at Lorenzo's and Elias' exhaust pipes all the way to the finish line. Too bad the King of Spain wasn't there to make him shake hands with his fellow Spaniards again.

FWIW, Rossi can't mathematically clinch at Indy because of the tie breaker of most victories. If Rossi wins at Indy and then drops out and Stoner wins the last four races, they would be tied on points, but Stoner would win because he would have 8 victories to Rossi's 7... of course right now Stoner only has 4 victories and Rossi has 6. Its not likely that Stoner will catch him, and the race after Indy will most likely provide the mathematical clinch for Rossi.

One other aside that everyone probably knows is that Rossi tied Ago with 68 premier class victories yesterday. So at Indy, if Rossi were to win, he would become the undisputed all time leader in premier class victories. Ago would still have the upper hand on total premier class championships (8 vs 5 going on 6 for Rossi).

Capirossi appeared in his 277th grand prix yesterday, and so he took the record for appearances from Barros. Hard to believe with all the races and different classes that Ago rode in that he's not up there too. Capirossi and Rossi are both "iron men."

Wow. Makes me feel ignorant. Great summary and a lot of info -- thanks.

 
When I watched the replay this morning I was wondering why they said he couldn't pick the bike up. The TV coverage clearly showed him examining something at the steering head, and he never attempted to lift the bike.

Did anybody see the amateur hour that was the 250 race?

 
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Maybe thats so, all the more reason to take a "finish the race" strateg. Focus on the big picture and stay in the chanpionship race, but that kid is balls to the wall all the time and he is always riding too close to the edge. I think that if he doesnt stop riding like that crashing will be his destiny. He is good be he is not Rossi (yet), he just has a red bike :)

-Imagine if Yama made the FJR in red!

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like someone else who goes fast and crashes a lot.... Uhhh, James "Bubba" Stewart?"

Any of you guys going to Indy? Our group of 5 will leave WNC, go across the Dragon, bypassing to the west side of Knoxville before heading north on an all-two-lane/twisteez route to Indy. Of course, once you get to Indiana it gets kind of boring...

 
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Am curious if Rossi is done after this season due to age. Plus it's always nice to go on top, no? Don't even know Rossi's age (seems on his 30s, no?), but am curious how old was Ago on his last championship. Maybe Toro has some more insight :D . Later gang.

JC

 
Am curious if Rossi is done after this season due to age. Plus it's always nice to go on top, no? Don't even know Rossi's age (seems on his 30s, no?), but am curious how old was Ago on his last championship. Maybe Toro has some more insight :D . Later gang.JC
Agostini won his last championship in the premier class in 1975 and he was born in 1942, so he was about 33. I think Rossi is 29 this season. Capirossi is 35, so its possible to keep riding... and even to pick up a podium from time to time.

Rossi signed for at least one more season with Yamaha, maybe it was two.

At Laguna Seca Rossi showed us all that experience and wisdom that comes with age (or maybe its treachery that comes with age) trump the fast reflexes and devil may care attitudes of youth. Since Laguna Seca Stoner has showed us that fastest in qualifying doesn't necessarily translate into a win after 25+ laps on Sunday.

I was a bit disappointed with Stoner after Misano... I know he was just putting the best possible spin on things, but he said he was satisfied because his package was the fastest right now, and that put him in a good position. I dunno... that horizontal position didn't look all that great to me.

I'm looking forward to this week as things unfold. Stoner's hand injury is nontrivial. Others have had such an injury end their career. I can't help but wonder if the injury has been causing a problem longer than has been admitted.

Meanwhile, the championship is Rossi's to lose at this point.... but that was also true after Pedrosa took out Hayden toward the end of the 2006 season. It looked like Rossi's 6th, and then he made his own mistake and handed it to Hayden in the final race.

As for Rossi, I agree with Ago, and with Sir John (Surtees) who have both said that Rossi is the best they've ever seen. Surtees even went so far as to say that Rossi was even better than he was. And I think Ago feels the same way. I think Ago's record for total championships is safe. And his record for premier class championships may be safe too. But if anyone is going to take it during my lifetime, Rossi is the guy.

 
I think Rossi is 29 this season.
Valentino Rossi was born February 16, 1979 so you are correct.

At Laguna Seca Rossi showed us all that experience and wisdom that comes with age (or maybe its treachery that comes with age) trump the fast reflexes and devil may care attitudes of youth.
"Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill". :)

 
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