Motorcycle emissions

[twowheelnut]

:yahoo: ALWAYS WANTED ONE OF THEM.
ok ok people i didnt think that treaded on the political side but hey im not perfect.

if i have done so i appolgize.

can i get that hat in a large size to fit my fat head

Keep posting, then. I wanna see Gunny's head go 'BOOM'!

 

[SacramentoMike]

Keep posting, then. I wanna see Gunny's head go 'BOOM'!

Worthless without pics. :lol: (Will edit for cash. PM me.)

 

[Ignacio]

ok ok people i didnt think that treaded on the political side but hey im not perfect.if i have done so i appolgize.

OK, so move on and start contributing to the FJR element of this forum and things will return to their normal course. You probably should read the guidelines and FAQs again that you promised when you signed up. You seem to have missed some details.

 

[radman]

He he, Iggys so crisped about it he can't even quote no better'n da n00b.............

 

[Joe2Lmaker]

Motorcycles are worse polluters than cars. That's true. You don't have to be on a group ride for more than a few miles to figure that one out.

Not in the overall scheme of things. From birth to death, cars are way more caustic to the environment than bikes. Most folks forget that it creates pollution to build things and then dispose of them, not to mention the maintenance factor.

Single-minded articles like this one are complete jokes when analyzing such issues.

You obviously haven't seen the Toyota commercial with the Prius. They can build one of those things out of twigs in the arctic tundra and when it's lived out its useful life, it decomposes into natural fertilizer.

 

[Big-D]

California has there own EPA system which is a lot more stringent than the regular EPA. I was born and raised in the L.A. basin and the smog was 20 times worse in the late 60’s and early 70’s than it has been in many years. Removing the lead in gasoline has taken care of that. When I was in high school, you were lucky to see Mt. Baldy 2 or 3 times a year, except after a nice snow fall in the mountains. People visiting Los Angeles area for the first time driving down Cajon Pass thought L.A. was on fire.

Not too many years ago Denver had smog (pollution) so bad, people were dying. Whenever (bleep, bleep, bleep), additional rules are created. Considering how the population of California has grown over the years, I think the skies seem pretty nice most of the time.

While looking through Ebay at new bikes, there are many for sale that state “Cannot be registered in California”.

 

[vstarjunkie]

After spending a good portion of my day off at the California Inspection & Maintenance Review Committee meeting, along with 4 other representatives of the motorcycling community, I too would like to know where she got her numbers. (this was a meeting concerning, among other things, smog checks for motorcycles).

In a google search of various articles I found that she probably got her info from this site

https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/motcycle/ONRDMC.HTM

But as you can see if you go to the site, the last time it was updated was over four years ago. That and she quotes a representative from CARB. That would be like a spokesman from the tobacco industry telling us smoking is ok and using their data and research.

But this link, a report from 2003, tells us that no one from the EPA or CARB have done anything about motorcycle emissions from 1980-2004. 24 years without any requirements on manufactures to produce cleaner bikes than the 1980 standards. So, of course you are going to have a lot of "dirty" bikes out there that were produced those years.

https://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/roadbike/420f03046.pdf

This site might be considered bias by the media, but this link states that California motorcycles...

https://www.bikersrights.com/epa/EPA_emmissionsHistory.html

"Motorcycle emission standards were first established in 1978 by the EPA and have remained unchanged since the 1980 model year. Those standards are 5 grams per kilometer hydrocarbon and 12 grams per kilometer carbon monoxide (5 g/km HC and 12 g/km CO). Only one state, California, received permission from the EPA to set its own lower standard because of its unique smog problems and, in several stages, reduced its motorcycle emission standard to 1.0 g/km for 50-699cc and 1,4 g/km for 700cc and above motorcycles. The current California emissions standard is therefore 3 1/2 to 5 times cleaner than the Federal one.

Additionally, in 1998, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) passed new standards that will further impact motorcycles after 2004. New motorcycles over 280cc, sold in Calif., after 2004 must certify to no more than 1.4 g/km HC PLUS oxides of nitrogen (Nox), and after 2008, must meet a 0.8 g/km HC + Nox standard."

Nice little chart showing how much cleaner motorcycles are regulated to now.

https://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page...4352&Page=1

So if you take into account all the info in the links, we can probably look to the 2003 FJR's as the problem,

and not the 2004 or later FJR's.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Motorcycles are worse polluters than cars. That's true. You don't have to be on a group ride for more than a few miles to figure that one out.

True.... I get all 'nostalgic' and 'misty eyed' (literally) when following a couple Hardly-Ablesons and enjoying the burned oil and extra gas (for more power...) smells.

Mmmmm, just like "the olden days". :huh:

 

[Sherman]

I miss my old Kawasaki 750, except for the brakes, handling, noise, vibration, Klotz, and poor fuel economy.

We get too many mosquitoes here now.

Naw - I don't miss it.

 

[El Toro]

I was born and raised in the L.A. basin and the smog was 20 times worse in the late 60’s and early 70’s than it has been in many years. Removing the lead in gasoline has taken care of that. When I was in high school, you were lucky to see Mt. Baldy 2 or 3 times a year, except after a nice snow fall in the mountains. People visiting Los Angeles area for the first time driving down Cajon Pass thought L.A. was on fire.

I remember the first time I flew into LA 40 years ago. I couldn't believe the thick, brown, eyeburning air. It was horrible. I'd never seen anything like it on the east coast.

The lead isn't the main reason for the smog formation though. Its the NOx.

 

[rickysnickers]

[quote name='Big-D' date='Jun 13 2008, 02:10 PM' post='434201'

While looking through Ebay at new bikes, there are many for sale that state “Cannot be registered in California”.

This really chaps my backside. CA has some archaic laws. Almost very vehicle produced nowadays is 50 state emissions compliant, meaning that it will pass in CA. So why they are we still not allowed to buy a car, truck, or motorcycle outside of this bloody state, especially in these economic times? We still have to pay the taxes on it when it's registered here. Somehow, after 7500 miles the vehicle in question becomes CA compliant? Ludicrous!

Rick

 

[pascalfd]

Here is an article <Click1> that would get the folks on this forum <Click2> all worked up.

So when considering the volume, how far down (or up) the EPA / CARB priority list should motorcycle be ?

 

[GunMD]

After spending a good portion of my day off at the California Inspection & Maintenance Review Committee meeting, along with 4 other representatives of the motorcycling community, I too would like to know where she got her numbers. (this was a meeting concerning, among other things, smog checks for motorcycles).<snip>

vstar, thanks for the info. Good stuff.

 

[vstarjunkie]

Here is an article <Click1> that would get the folks on this forum <Click2> all worked up.
So when considering the volume, how far down (or up) the EPA / CARB priority list should motorcycle be ?

According to https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/motcycle/factsheet.htm

We are number M-?, then don't even know where to put motorcycles on the list. (Scroll down to the very bottom of the chart)

In regards to smog checks in CA, motorcycles were number three on their agenda for this meeting. Also in the past meetings I have attended, motorcycles are usually listed around three or fourth on the agendas. For this last meeting the list was the following.

On top was vehicles older than 15 model years (they want to do annual checks on those vs. current biennial test)

Next were high mileage vehicles; they were discussing a way to track mileage and possibly having vehicles that drive over X number a miles a year test more often.

Then motorcycles were discussed.

Under motorcycles were smog checks for light-duty diesel vehicles.