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Read an article today in my little poor excuse for a newspaper titles “Motorcycle makers hitting the Brakes”. This article came from the L.A. Times and stated motorcycle sales have really taken a dump. Taking the hardest hit were Sport bikes and Cruisers. Scooters sales that climbed last year because of their fuel economy have since fallen also. Although sales figures by individual manufacturers are kept secret, overall numbers show a 37.2% for this current quarter and last quarter fell 53.5% when compared to last years sales. Don Brown, an analyst from Irvine, California said the old “Lets get out there and sell more” just doesn’t work any longer, stating that “people just don’t have the money anymore”.

Harley did report that their earnings have dropped 84% overall from last year, which explains their decision to drop Buell and MV Agusta and get completely out of the Sport bike business. But then, I don’t think I would ever pay upwards of $30k for a Harley. This year, Harley, Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Victory have reported lay-offs of employees and price reductions on their current inventory to help dealerships shrink swollen inventories.

When you shop for a new car, you see the price applied by the factory, then you see any accessories added and freight, which is usually about $500 on an automobile. But when you shop for a bike, you see the price (i.e. 2010 FJR $15,190), then the dealers add Tax, Freight, Dealer Prep, Dealer Title Fee, Set-up and any other fee or charge they can come up with that will undoubtedly add anywhere from $1000 to $3500 or more to the cost of a new motorcycle. Just like cars, the dealers profit is included in the factory sales price, so the rest is all gravy that causes many people to say “screw-it”, bikes are too expensive. The dealers can easily be their own worst enemy when it comes to reduction in sales figures or the possible loss of their business all together. Greed will always come back and bite you in the ***! When was the last time you saw motorcycle manufacturers offer “Zero” interest for the life of the loan. Usually they make some simple offer hoping someone will be a day late on their payment so they can up their interest rate to a default rate of 28.99%.

 
Big-D,

You nailed it IMO. I now buy used bikes to by-pass all that bull but I DO like a warranty. I was thinking of trading up my 07 for a left-over 09, but the things you describe above give me second thoughts about even putting my foot in the door. Given the reduction in sales, maybe they would be more willing to deal? I doubt it. Bikes are a luxury item for most people. Not me though...I use them for transportation and recreation.

Dave

 
I bought one this year. In fact, this month the bike is free. The difference in gas milage between my car and bike means that if i ride 15 out of 20 commuting days per month, the cost of the bike and at least some of the insurance is covered.

 
I did a lot of shopping around when I bought my FJR. And to tell the truth, after dealing with three different dealers, I actually got a really good deal on my '08 because all of the BS fees were eliminated. But, it took a little trickery on my part to get my price. Even still, I walked out feeling good about my purchase and I know the dealer made their profit. A win/ win situation!

 
The bike business has been this bad for OVER a year now. Even for the good dealers and those that do not play the sales price games. Many people ***** about dealers, however, it may not be to long before they are not there and you won't get to ***** about them anymore. But then you would get to ***** about there not being enough dealers close to you...you know, like BWM's.

Dealers that are marginally capitalized will be in trouble. If sales do not substantially increase in March/April of next year...it will be really ugly and sad days for motorcyclists.

 
Harley did report that their earnings have dropped 84% overall from last year, which explains their decision to drop Buell and MV Agusta and get completely out of the Sport bike business. But then, I don’t think I would ever pay upwards of $30k for a Harley.
There are many Harleys for less than $30K, but your point is taken. The HD dealers, at least around here, are still "mighty proud" of their bikes. Kinda why I bought the FJR this year; much easier deal and no "chrome specialist" to go through during the sale. I was looking at used, but none were close + my local dealer matched the best price I could find from a volume dealer over in Orlando.

Now, if I hadn't hit that hog aka Florida wild pig the first week I owned it, all would be right in the world...

 
Although I have never owned a Harley, I can understand why people enjoy the bike. They diffidently have their place, as they have been the largest seller for a while with Honda in second. But my comment wasn't only about Harley. Honda is getting a bit ridiculous on their prices also. When Harley's started skyrocketing, many of the hardcore biker clubs felt as though Harley turned their back on them, because the very riders that kept Harley alive could no longer afford the price they were getting.

Honda is way over priced anymore. From their Goldwing to their new NT700, you just don't get your monies worth.

It is a shame the bike industry is taking such a hit. But you can't help but ask why. I mean sure, there are those that will not ride a bike for fear of being hurt or killed in an accident. But when you look at how gas prices have been and how $4-5 prices will probably rear their heads again, it makes sense for people to buy and learn to ride motorcycles. But when a nice top-of-the-line bike can cost as much as a nice, comfortable car with all the the whistles and bells that gets 28-32mpg. People in Europe learned a long time ago to adapt to riding two wheels. Yes, they don't cover the vast distances like we do, but for local commutes, you can't beat it. My main vehicle is a Ford pick-up with a diesel. Back when diesel was at $4.50 per gallon, it cost me close to $175 to fill my tank. I bought a '07 Suzuki Burgman 650 that gave me 52mpg and allowed me carry all kinds of stuff. It was and still is the perfect machine for running around town. The first year I had my scooter, I put 2100 miles on my diesel. That scooter cost less to own than fuel would have cost in my truck. And the insurance on it is only $160 per year with the same coverage I have on my other vehicles.

The motorcycle industry needs to sit back and pay attention to what is going on around them, or they might meet the same fate the automotive industry is going through. They need to learn and understand the tactics of yesterday are not going to work in today's economy. Unless they regroup and change, they too will follow the steps of the auto industry. Their fate is in their own hands right now. They better make some sound decisions if they expect to survive. Trying to raise prices to make up for lost revenue will not work.

 
I bought one this year. In fact, this month the bike is free. The difference in gas milage between my car and bike means that if i ride 15 out of 20 commuting days per month, the cost of the bike and at least some of the insurance is covered.
Wish it worked out that way for me. After figuring in the cost of tires, it's cheaper for me to drive the car. And my commute is 90 miles round trip.

 
I bought one this year. In fact, this month the bike is free. The difference in gas milage between my car and bike means that if i ride 15 out of 20 commuting days per month, the cost of the bike and at least some of the insurance is covered.
Wish it worked out that way for me. After figuring in the cost of tires, it's cheaper for me to drive the car. And my commute is 90 miles round trip.
For me, it only took a couple of those $1000-a-pop car repairs to toss it. I might eventually get a Honda Element or something like that, but that's several years down the road after the FJR is paid off.

 
The bike business has been this bad for OVER a year now. Even for the good dealers and those that do not play the sales price games. Many people ***** about dealers, however, it may not be to long before they are not there and you won't get to ***** about them anymore. But then you would get to ***** about there not being enough dealers close to you...you know, like BWM's.
Dealers that are marginally capitalized will be in trouble. If sales do not substantially increase in March/April of next year...it will be really ugly and sad days for motorcyclists.
I disagree. There is, and always will be a market for motorcycles. So there always will be dealerships to ply that market. The may not be the gee-wizz shops that you see today, with hge sexy displays of merchandise that is not moving, but the smart ones will survive. Maybe motorcycle dealers will take a queue from John Deere and start marketing their wares thru Home Depot, or (ugh) Walmart. Whatever... new bikes will be made and they will be sold.

And there really are plenty of BMW dealers out there, IMO, at least in this part of the world.

I personally seldom ***** about dealers because I have little use for them. I did recently and the experience was quite acceptable. This was not a wizzbang place. I intentionally avoided that one.

My point is that good shops will survive. Only the weak will implode on themselves.

 
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The upside is that a lot of bikes are going with a $5k discount (CBR1k and VFR that I know of for certain).

 
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