Motul 7100 10w-40

[garyahouse]

Fred dub,

Thanks for the input. Maybe I'll grab some STP next time I'm out. I'be been thinking about the changes they made to Rotella awhile back in limiting the Zinc, and was wondering if there was an inexpensive way to supplement my oil a little. Ima 'suming that you chose that 6 oz amount for a reason? Anybody know anything about the changes they made to Rotella the last couple of years?

Gary

darksider #44

 

[TomInPA]

Gary, as I understand it, the Rotella oil continues to have over 1200 ppm ZDDP additives. That's pretty good compared to most other oil. Mobil 1 Racing has 1600, and Mobile V-Twin has about 1400 (going from recall). All of those are acceptable for the FJR. The problem is, the ZDDP package on nearly every car oil is in the 600 to 800 range and falling. It's not a bad idea to supplement it a bit, but based on Blackstone oil analyses I've seen the Rotella T6 looks good out of the bottle. I was a little concerned with technical analysis of the Valvolene 4 Stroke Motorcycle which is a bit lower than I'd like, so I would definitely consider adding a package to that.

Most oil has published technical data or you can get Blackstone reports. All the hearsay in the world is worth exactly what you pay for it..

 

[Monty]

DAYUM!!!

If you're spending $75+ on an oil change, I hope this is your assistant...

...cause SOMEONE sure needs to hold the funnel at those prices!!!

A major "hottie", even if she is a feking Vampire. :lol:

 

[Fred W]

You got sompthin against vampires?

 

[SkooterG]

Skoot,

yer brilliant. Thanks for the input. Think I'll grab some STP next time I'm out. I'be been thinking about the changes they made to Rotella awhile back in limiting the Zink, and was wondering if there was an inexpensive way to supplement my oil a little. Ima 'suming that you chose that 6 oz amount for a reason? I know there's always a reason behind your rantings.

Gary

darksider #44

You must be talking about somebody else Gary. I don't put any additives in my oil during changes. The only time I'll add ZDDP (GM EOS) is if I need to extend my normal 5,000 mile oil change interval due to travel. Personally, I am not a big believer in additives. The major oil companies spend big bucks to figure out correct formulation of oils and I don't believe these smaller 'snake oil' additive companies have outsmarted the original manufacturers. And nor can we. (But I read it on a forum! :blink: ) From what I understand, just about every oil manufacturer discourages oil additives since in could upset their own oil package.

I have been using Rotella 15W-40 conventional for a long time and hundreds of thousands of miles. But price has gone up from $8.50/gallon years ago to $13-$14/gallon currently. At that price, I'll spring for the synthetic Mobil 1 which is similar or even cheaper than the Rotella 5W-40 at Walmart. I don't think the FJR benefits from synthetic oil in any regard but I am after the higher ZDDP concentrations. I too had in the back of my mind that Rotella had reduced ZDDP a while back and read that the Mobil 1 15W-50 was high in ZDDP.

Gary, as I understand it, the Rotella oil continues to have over 1200 ppm ZDDP additives. That's pretty good compared to most other oil. Mobil 1 Racing has 1600, and Mobile V-Twin has about 1400 (going from recall). All of those are acceptable for the FJR. The problem is, the ZDDP package on nearly every car oil is in the 600 to 800 range and falling. It's not a bad idea to supplement it a bit, but based on Blackstone oil analyses I've seen the Rotella T6 looks good out of the bottle. I was a little concerned with technical analysis of the Valvolene 4 Stroke Motorcycle which is a bit lower than I'd like, so I would definitely consider adding a package to that.

Most oil has published technical data or you can get Blackstone reports. All the hearsay in the world is worth exactly what you pay for it..

It had been a while so you made me go do some research again. You are close, but a bit off on some numbers. Below info comes from these two Mobil 1 charts, if you are to believe the manufacturer. Sure would like to see independent testing.

Mobile 1 Zinc Leve Bar Graph and Mobil 1 Product Guide.

My Mobil 1 15W-50 has 1300 ppm ZDDP. Higher than most but not as good as......

Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 and Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 has 1800 ppm ZDDP!

Wow! That's almost enough to get me to pay the ridiculous prices for those oils. Except..... I've got hundreds of thousands of miles on the FJR with conventional Rotella oil with no issues, and I can be doing 5,000 mile oil changes every 3-5 weeks. And I am one cheap *******!!! In general, I believe everybody worries about oil WAY too much and we pay big $$$ for these absolutely superb freaking oils that we really dont' need and that don't give us any advantage whatsoever. And how many of these folks who buy these high dollar boutique oils actually put more than 30,000 or 40,000 miles on their bike before they sell it for something else? WAY before any engine life considerations come into effect. But hey, if it gives somebody a warm fuzzy to throw their money away on oil that is the dog's danglies, well, who am I to give a ****.

As for Rotella, I could not find any specific info about ZDDP levels. All kinds of here-say on the net in the 1000-1200 ppm range. I also couldn't find any distinguishable difference between the Rotella 15W-40 conventional and the 5W-40 synthetic. So who freaking knows? If anybody can find recent manufacturer claims or better yet independent testing that would be great.

So, the million dollar question is how much ZDDP concentration is desired? Or enough? And after a certain level, is MORE any BETTER?

Sticking with my relatively inexpensive Mobil 1 15W-50 for now.

Now, as for this crap ethanol fuel we have to use.......... You don't want to know about the $$$ I spend putting snake oil additives into every tank! Who is to deny me my warm fuzzy?!?!?! :lol:

 

[dcarver]

Would/could the STP lead to a slipping clutch eventually?It certainly doesn't seem to. And I am definitely not the only one to have adopted this practice. In fact it was not my own idea at all. I got it from the Candy Butt President hisself, who racks up way more mileage, and clearly abuses his machines more, than me. Never heard of anyone having clutch problems with STP use.

Dang, Fred, is that a compliment or insult? :lol:

Actually, IIRC, it was Radman who originally suggested adding STP?

My .02 personal experience is that if running fully syn quality oil, STP doesn't do much. But I'm KrZy about changing oil way too soon by normal standards due to high rpm and and dusty dirt road (a)buse. Recently, my local Napa dude is selling me Amsoil at incredibly cheap prices, so have been running it. He knows I change frequently, 3-4k, and I've been a customer for what, 20+ years? I've not yet gained experience with Amsoil and STP, will do so later now that KrZy8Eh is back up and running strong.

 

[TomInPA]

Now, as for this crap ethanol fuel we have to use.......... You don't want to know about the $$ I spend putting snake oil additives into every tank! Who is to deny me my warm fuzzy?!?!?! :lol:

Yeah but, I have thousands of miles on 10% ethanol fuel with no adverse affects other than poor fuel economy, and I solve that with a run to a low ethanol state and high altitude at least once a year. Who the hell pays that kind of money for unproven additives with no measurable pay-back. And I be my throttle bodies look better than Dcarver's.

 

[jhedges]

Good Job on the research Skoot! Oils back in the day had good levels of ZDDP. Today oils are missing it. From whats available to us retail wise, I don't think we can get too much of it. The only reason I use STP is to get additional ZDDP simply. Because that stuff is nasty to work with.

Luckily we don't have to deal with the **** gas you guys got out West! But, curious what fuel additive your using?

 

[Fred W]

Dang, Fred, is that a compliment or insult? :lol:

Actually, IIRC, it was Radman who originally suggested adding STP?

My .02 personal experience is that if running fully syn quality oil, STP doesn't do much. But I'm KrZy about changing oil way too soon by normal standards due to high rpm and and dusty dirt road (a)buse. Recently, my local Napa dude is selling me Amsoil at incredibly cheap prices, so have been running it. He knows I change frequently, 3-4k, and I've been a customer for what, 20+ years? I've not yet gained experience with Amsoil and STP, will do so later now that KrZy8Eh is back up and running strong.

Compliment, of course.

The only reason that I continue to use the STP snake oil additive is the ZDDP, and the tangible effect it has on shifting as the oil ages. I'll have to check into the Rislone ZDDP additive as maybe that isn't so gawd awful thick and nasty to pour in.

 

[Constant Mesh]

Chevron's Delo 400 LE oil is comparable to Rotella. Delo has 0.13% (1300 ppm) zinc by weight and 0.12% phosphorus.

https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=339444&docFormat=PDF

Valvoline motorcycle oil has less zinc and phosphorus -- 0.112% zinc and 0.103% phosphorus.

https://www.valvoline.com/pdf/4_stroke_motorcycle.pdf

 

[fljab]

Gary, as I understand it, the Rotella oil continues to have over 1200 ppm ZDDP additives. That's pretty good compared to most other oil. Mobil 1 Racing has 1600, and Mobile V-Twin has about 1400 (going from recall). All of those are acceptable for the FJR. The problem is, the ZDDP package on nearly every car oil is in the 600 to 800 range and falling. It's not a bad idea to supplement it a bit, but based on Blackstone oil analyses I've seen the Rotella T6 looks good out of the bottle. I was a little concerned with technical analysis of the Valvolene 4 Stroke Motorcycle which is a bit lower than I'd like, so I would definitely consider adding a package to that.

Most oil has published technical data or you can get Blackstone reports. All the hearsay in the world is worth exactly what you pay for it..

Where are published Blackstone reports? I went to the website and couldn't find anything specific other than the free oil sample kit and lots of other stuff, but no reports.

Is there another site perhaps that has zddp levels published? Not that it's a big deal. I've been using the Shell syn but I'm open to any quality type; I buy syn on the maybe misguided belief that it retains viscosity better/longer than the regular dino stuff. I did go to Wally world yesterday but didn't see Mobile 1 at prices to make me not buy the Shell T6, but I'll keep an eye on it.

I still have 4 gallons of Yamalube 20-40 that I got from a forum member that was selling out (from an original 8), so I use that when I don't think I'll need to be extending the changes, and the Shell when I think I will.

When I was up in WA state and did the oil change in the Autozone parking lot, the manager in there was a HD guy (his bike was outside); I told them what I wanted to do and he kept trying to steer me to "motorcycle filters and oil" - and I'm like - no, the bosch 3323 and some T6 is fine, really, it's OK.........

 

[jhedges]

I don't know who makes Yamahalube oil, but I thought I had heard it's very good oil.

 

[RossKean]

I don't know who makes Yamahalube oil, but I thought I had heard it's very good oil.

The lowest bidder who meets minimum specifications for any particular contract period - same as rebranded fluids for any company that doesn't own a refinery!

Ross

 

[garyahouse]

Fred dub,

Thanks for the input. Maybe I'll grab some STP next time I'm out. I'be been thinking about the changes they made to Rotella awhile back in limiting the Zinc, and was wondering if there was an inexpensive way to supplement my oil a little. Ima 'suming that you chose that 6 oz amount for a reason? Anybody know anything about the changes they made to Rotella the last couple of years?

Gary

darksider #44

You must be talking about somebody else Gary.

Oops. That was Fred dub. I corrected the original post (revised here as well) to have his name rather than yours.

Sorry bout that.

Gary

 

[LAF]

Look for Advance Auto to have a sale on Mobile One. 32.99 for 5 qt of Mobile One (I use 15-50 in Summer) and a Mobile One M 110 oil filter. You can not beat that price with a hammer.

Yes I can.

Wally World has Mobil 1 15W-50 for $22 per 5 quarts. That's been my elixir of choice lately.

Edit: Corrected 20W-50 to 15W-50.

Yes but I get a Mobil M1-110 oil filter also in that price so for me close enough. So I am paying 11 dollars for the filter.

While you got I better deal I suppose, I am just as happy with my deal. Besides two blocks to Advance Auto, 12 miles to a Wally World.