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Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?

 
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First off, LUCKY!!! :yahoo: What a deal for both of you to be able to take 30 days off.

Hmmmm. Europe is harder to get to so that's appealing, and you can see the USA anytime. Although 30 days for both of you.... Tough decision.

Congrats and good luck.

 
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Europe. Definitely europe. Through France, down through Andorra, into barcelona, across along the coast to Italy, down to the boot of italy, ferry across to Bosnia, up north along the coast and then back towards italy to go to stelvio pass into bormio....

But then, that's just me. Actually, that's the trip I'm planning for next summer.

But since you did mention that you'd already done some of Europe and some of the US, why not try Asia and New Zealand? It would be something completely different to anything you'd ever done in the US or Europe. Just my $0.02

 
First off, LUCKY!!! :yahoo: What a deal for both of you to be able to take 30 days off.

Hmmmm. Europe is harder to get to so that's appealing, and you can see the USA anytime. Although 30 days for both of you.... Tough decision.

Congrats and good luck.
Thanks Simon! We have done 3 other rides in Europe and love what it has to offer. I also realize how much of the US we have not seen and we would love to see more of our National Parks? I was hoping you guys might help us decide.

 
Europe. Definitely europe. Through France, down through Andorra, into barcelona, across along the coast to Italy, down to the boot of italy, ferry across to Bosnia, up north along the coast and then back towards italy to go to stelvio pass into bormio....

But then, that's just me. Actually, that's the trip I'm planning for next summer.

But since you did mention that you'd already done some of Europe and some of the US, why not try Asia and New Zealand? It would be something completely different to anything you'd ever done in the US or Europe. Just my $0.02
I have done the ride you mention above twice and it was amazing!!! Europe is very appealing because you can cover so much ground and yet see so many different lifestyles. I am not sure I want to venture out to Asia and New Zealand just yet with so much ground to cover in the states and Europe. Your going to have a great ride next year and your going to love riding through the south of France and Italy. There is so much to see in that part of the world.

 
The Swiss Alps has come up a few times by different friends and I think I am going to start doing some research on it. I have ridden in Zurich, Switzerland but you cannot compare that to the Alps! This might be the trip... I would like to go on some more remote ride but my wife will be coming with me riding 2-up and I want the experience to be safe.

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Head east. N Georgia, Tennessee, N Carolina, Kentucky. The wife and I did this area in 2005. Beautiful roads, mountains, good people. Hit the Dragon, BRP,etc all in one trip. PLUS, the ability to get sweet tea most anywhere you stop. Besides, with the money you save vs Europe you can take another trip. :)

 
2006 FJR: Go to the Europe Section of our forum and look at the Ride Reports teerex51 - Stefano Sarao has posted there. I was stationed in Augsburg, Germany for two years and I had my BMW R Bike with me the entire time. I do believe that I have ridden every twisty road within 400 miles of Bavaria. I return to Europe every four years to ride also, leading my BMW MOA Chartered Club #89 AZ Beemers on a European Ride Adventure.

I rode Spain and Portugal first back in 1970 and I returned to ride it again in 2006 with my Israeli Buddy Uri Schumm. In 2008 I joined up with teerex51 and the Italian FJR Forum to ride Eastern Spain, Western France and Andorra. Stef S. has that Ride Report here on our FJR Forum.

It is incredible how fabulous the riding is in the Pyrenees; it is every bit as good as the Alps, and there is hardly any traffic on the twisties.

Search out all of teerex51 Ride Reports here and also consider Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily; the twisties on those three islands are also phenomenal!

https://rodjules.com/pyrenees/ Also, my friends Rod and Julie from the BMW MOA Club have written up a nice report on motorcycling the Pyrenees.

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=118393 And, here is Stef's Three Island Tour, incredible scenery!!

 
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Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?
...and you tragically fail to mention Switzerland, the most beautiful place in the whole of Europe, I would even volunteer to show you a few places (day ride)... :yahoo:

Greetings

Alfredo

 
Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?
...and you tragically fail to mention Switzerland, the most beautiful place in the whole of Europe, I would even volunteer to show you a few places (day ride)... :yahoo:

Greetings

Alfredo
+1, Gunny!! 2006FJR: We of the FJR Forum are extremely fortunate we have Alfredo - bikesniffer, as our Resident Swiss Alps M/C Expert, to advise and guide us. Take advantage of his local knowledge, he's helped out Papa Chuy Viejo with a ton of info!!!

 
Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?
...and you tragically fail to mention Switzerland, the most beautiful place in the whole of Europe, I would even volunteer to show you a few places (day ride)... :yahoo:

Greetings

Alfredo
+1, Gunny!! 2006FJR: We of the FJR Forum are extremely fortunate we have Alfredo - bikesniffer, as our Resident Swiss Alps M/C Expert, to advise and guide us. Take advantage of his local knowledge, he's helped out Papa Chuy Viejo with a ton of info!!!
Switzerland is quickly moving to the top as the place to go. Local knowledge would make this trip much better than anything I could come up with on my own. I will talk with my wife tonight and start looking into the costs of renting a bike for 3 weeks (1 weeks for travel back and forth). In a perfect world I would love to rent an FJR but an open to a GS-A, an RT or a Harley.

 
Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?
...and you tragically fail to mention Switzerland, the most beautiful place in the whole of Europe, I would even volunteer to show you a few places (day ride)... :yahoo:

Greetings

Alfredo
+1, Gunny!! 2006FJR: We of the FJR Forum are extremely fortunate we have Alfredo - bikesniffer, as our Resident Swiss Alps M/C Expert, to advise and guide us. Take advantage of his local knowledge, he's helped out Papa Chuy Viejo with a ton of info!!!
Switzerland is quickly moving to the top as the place to go. Local knowledge would make this trip much better than anything I could come up with on my own. I will talk with my wife tonight and start looking into the costs of renting a bike for 3 weeks (1 weeks for travel back and forth). In a perfect world I would love to rent an FJR but an open to a GS-A, an RT or a Harley.
+1, Gunny! https://www.knopftours.com/Web-Site/Hello.html For over a dozen years now, https://www.azbeemers.org/forum has been renting our bikes from Stefan Knopf just south of Heidelberg, in Kirchheim. We have found his rates to be the lowest and his bikes are all in superb mechanical condition. We fly into Frankfurt, train to Heidelberg and short train transfer to Kirchheim; less than and hour.

From his shop it is an easy day's ride to Alfredo's home in Schleitheim, Switzerland! https://www.maplandia.com/switzerland/ostschweiz/schaffhausen/schleitheim/

 
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Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?
...and you tragically fail to mention Switzerland, the most beautiful place in the whole of Europe, I would even volunteer to show you a few places (day ride)... :yahoo:

Greetings

Alfredo
+1, Gunny!! 2006FJR: We of the FJR Forum are extremely fortunate we have Alfredo - bikesniffer, as our Resident Swiss Alps M/C Expert, to advise and guide us. Take advantage of his local knowledge, he's helped out Papa Chuy Viejo with a ton of info!!!
Switzerland is quickly moving to the top as the place to go. Local knowledge would make this trip much better than anything I could come up with on my own. I will talk with my wife tonight and start looking into the costs of renting a bike for 3 weeks (1 weeks for travel back and forth). In a perfect world I would love to rent an FJR but an open to a GS-A, an RT or a Harley.
At the time you're coming I may have a K1100LT available for very reaonable rent...if that's of interest to you.

Alfredo

 
Both my wife and I were approved to take off 30-days in a row this year and we agreed we would like to spend it on a bike touring. Problem: Do we ride in Europe or the US? We have ridden overseas 3-times now and covered ground in Italy, Spain, France, UK, Ireland ect... In the US we have done the 11 western states and Canada a few times now. There is so much more to the US that I would love to see on my bike but there are also many locations I have dreamed of ridding in like the Alps during the summer, Prague, Budapest, Germany, Austria ect...

If you had a choice and money was not an issue which location would you visit?
...and you tragically fail to mention Switzerland, the most beautiful place in the whole of Europe, I would even volunteer to show you a few places (day ride)... :yahoo:

Greetings

Alfredo
+1, Gunny!! 2006FJR: We of the FJR Forum are extremely fortunate we have Alfredo - bikesniffer, as our Resident Swiss Alps M/C Expert, to advise and guide us. Take advantage of his local knowledge, he's helped out Papa Chuy Viejo with a ton of info!!!
Switzerland is quickly moving to the top as the place to go. Local knowledge would make this trip much better than anything I could come up with on my own. I will talk with my wife tonight and start looking into the costs of renting a bike for 3 weeks (1 weeks for travel back and forth). In a perfect world I would love to rent an FJR but an open to a GS-A, an RT or a Harley.
At the time you're coming I may have a K1100LT available for very reaonable rent...if that's of interest to you.

Alfredo
A BMW K1100LT is a PERFECT bike for the Swiss Alps. When I ride two up with a girlfriend, that's the moto I get from Stefan; when I am solo, I rent one of the many K75RT's that Herr Knopf has in his rental fleet. One up, the K75 is a terror in die Alpen!

 
I really like the direction here. You guys are amazing resources and I would be very happy to ride a K1100LT. It would be the perfect bike and it is too bad we could not swap bikes if we both were to travel at the same time? How cool would that be to have you on my bike for 3-weeks while I was on yours. Having said that I love the idea and we can discuss price later in Jan as I put this tip together. Where do you guys leave your suit cases once you arrive and load up the bikes? In past years I have left them at my friends house in Wales so this will be a little bit different. Here are a few questions if you don't mind?

1) What is the best time of year to ride yet avoid the bulk of the traffic?

2) Any issues or problems using my M1 from the US to ride there?

3) Are the speed laws strictly enforced or can you have some fun on the roads.

4) Is it safe to ride thee and are accommodations pretty easy to set up?

5) Do you guys rent a cell phone and GPS while you are there?

As far as ride reports and riding destinations I will begin looking. Thanks again guys for helping me get pointed in the right direction.

 
I really like the direction here. You guys are amazing resources and I would be very happy to ride a K1100LT. It would be the perfect bike and it is too bad we could not swap bikes if we both were to travel at the same time? How cool would that be to have you on my bike for 3-weeks while I was on yours. Having said that I love the idea and we can discuss price later in Jan as I put this tip together. Where do you guys leave your suit cases once you arrive and load up the bikes? In past years I have left them at my friends house in Wales so this will be a little bit different. Here are a few questions if you don't mind?

1) What is the best time of year to ride yet avoid the bulk of the traffic?

I prefer late May, flying back to USA on Memorial Day. However, in late May of 2007: Passo del Stelvio was still closed and we very luckily rode Timmelsjoch on the very exact day that it opened. I have also ridden the Alps on my birthday, October 28; yet some years have been snowed in and on!

2) Any issues or problems using my M1 from the US to ride there?

Your Suzuki M109 from the US would work fine in the Alps, I prefer lighter bikes like a K75, but as we all know: It is the individual rider skills involved! However, I have never found it cost effective to ship a bike to Europe; over renting there! But, you two are going for a full 30 days; and, I have always only been able to go for 15 days.

3) Are the speed laws strictly enforced or can you have some fun on the roads.

Out of the hamlets and villages you can haul ass, unless you happen to be Fairlaner or FJRONAMISSION: With those two whackoff jobs, they are way beyond fast!

 

Achtung: They strictly enforce speed laws in urban areas throughout Europe, because that is where their families, friends and loved ones reside; they are very tolerant out in the wide open countryside, I have been just been warned before out in the boonies!

4) Is it safe to ride there and are accommodations pretty easy to set up?

It's as safe as Mother's Milk to ride in the Alps, the folks that live there are very friendly and super honest: Just like our very own Alfredo! I ride Europe with my Best Biking Buddy Uri Schumm, we split the planning chores evenly. Uri is Jewish and he plans our trips as if he were building a Swiss Watch. I on the other hand, am a totally shiftless and fecking worthless Irishman, I don't plan squat! Any you know what, on our many trips, both of our plans have worked out just fine! Uri's portion of the trip has always found us great accomodations that were reasonably priced and we knew exactly were we were staying in advance. And the Foolish Fenian has always found us a roof over our heads and unbelievably (there's a Patron Saint that looks after we Micks and Paddies!) some of our accomodations have been incredibly unique at cheaper prices; truly stellar hotels!!

5) Do you guys rent a cell phone and GPS while you are there?

Once again, Uri rents a cell phone and a GPS while we're riding the Alps. Papa Chuy just trusts his ancient maps, dumb Irish luck and his Parochial School German!

As far as ride reports and riding destinations I will begin looking. Thanks again guys for helping me get pointed in the right direction.

https://www.alpineroads.com Go to this website and join their Forum. They are a great group of European M/C guys and are always willing to help out we Americans!
Dear 2006FJR, After our May Alps Trip of 2007, the two other BMW Clubs in the State of Arizona asked if I would publish an Alps Primer for the use of their members to help their Clubs plan Alps motorcycle adventures. This was published by AZ BMW Rim Riders and South East Arizona BMW Riders.

Was also published on our website: https://www.azbeemers.org/forum I bolded my responses to your questions above and hope this helps; use links below!

Alpine Pass Bagging 101 or Riding Les Alpes

Do-It-Yourself Style, by Don Stanley

June 2, 2007

[email protected]

The purpose of my report is providing you, an AZ Beemers and Fast Tour Riders Group member, basic information to plan your own Alps Adventure.

Accompanying my report is another report from my good friend Uri Schumm detailing the cultural, historical and social interactions that our trip encountered. Think of my narrative as a Clymer’s Shop Manual for the Alps

There are many tour companies providing escorted Motorcycle Tours of the Alps, Beach’s and Edelweiss are two premier companies serving the motorcyclist riding the Alps. You can go to www.bmca.com and www.edelweissbike.com to see their rates; at a price twice our expenditures.

Our trip consisted of eleven days total, with three of the days being flying days and eight days were aboard the motorcycles. We used www.expedia.com to purchase our American Airlines budget tickets, but www.cheaptickets.com or www.orbitz.com works fine also. Buying nine months ahead resulted in flights of $600; you pay more nearer to flying time.

First hand experience is everything and I heartily recommend Knopf Motorradreisen operated by Stefan Knopf in Heidelberg. His homepage is www.Knopftours.com and e-Mail is [email protected] and my use of a 2004 BMW R1150 RT with top case, tank bag, and cell phone-travel service assistance resulted in a fee of $150 a day. If you like the K75 series, he has a fleet of these and they rent out for $100 a day; they are very well suited to the Alps. When you arrive at Frankfurt Rhein Main International Airport collect your baggage and walk down stairs to the train terminal. At the Service Desk are English speaking staff, purchase a ticket for 30 Euros to Kircheim/Rohrbach and Stefan’s shop is 300 yards west of the train station.

We tried to not spend over 100 Euros a night on average for lodging for two people and we easily met our goals. Here’s our easily obtainable routing from Heidelberg that provides a rider with 300 kilometers a day and up to 400 kilometers if you bag extra passes. Augsburg, 2 nights each in Merano and Lake Como, Landeck and Titisee-Neustadt for last night. Here’s some great M/C links for your use: www.alpineroads.com and www.bmwmoa.org

Day One: From Heidelberg to Ausgburg was a nice blend of high speed autobahn running and cruising the famous two lane Romantische Strasse, the old post road of Rome’s Legionnaires in their far flung colony of Germania.

Autobahn M/C Notes: Never stay in the far left lane except to pass! You’ll either by cited by the Polizei or you’ll wind up as a hood ornament on a Maserati going 250 kilometers an hour. There are speed limits on the Autobahn, but only at intersections of multiple routes or where there’s successive on/off ramps where you are reduced to 100 kph. Construction zones on the autobahn can be reduced to even 50 kph, but typically they are posted for 80. Other than these examples, run that BMW flat freaking out.

Secondary Roads: Euro authorities are lenient on your speed in rural areas, but they will cite you in a second and fine you 100 Euro on the spot if you speed through their towns and villages. Save the blast for the countryside.

Day Two: We rode the Romantische Strasse south to Merano, Italy today and start bagging our first passes. On the way we stopped to check out Bavaria’s Mad King Ludwig’s twin castles of Neuschwanstein and Hohen Schwangau. Here are the passes we nailed on our way to Sunny Italia.

1. Fern Pass, 1209 meters. 3. Piller Hohe, 1558 meters; Note: Piller Hohe is a nice pass because it has hundreds of very tight turns and the road is only 2 meters wide, you have to let another moto squeeze past when you encounter one. 4. Reschen Pass, 1504 meters. We got to ride them in the rain!

Day Three: Using Merano as our base Camp we did some serious Big Boy pass bagging: 1. Timmels Joch, 2509 meters. Note: This is one of the Disneyland E-Ticket pass rides in the Alps and the only one better is Passo di Stelvio, but unfortunately Stilfser Joch was still covered in snow. 2. Jaufen Pass, 2094 meters. 3. Penser Joch, 2214 meters. Last two hours of this day trip were on the Jenesian trail that runs from Bozen to Merano along a track just like Piller running through the villages of Moltina and Avelengo.

Day Four: We had many miles ahead of us to get to Lake Como and some amazing passes to Conquer! 1. Gampen Joch, 1518 meters. 2. Passo dello Tonale, 1884 meters. 3. Passo dello Aprica, 1176 meters. Technical riding!

Day Five: Using Abbadio del Lario as our base we explored Lake Como and the mountains above. We put our bikes on the car ferry at Varenna and were transported to Menaggio. At Carlazzo, next to Lago di Plano, we saw on our maps a twisty little road up to the Village of Cavargna. This road made the Piller and Jenesian tracks look like the Autobahn. Our arms were tired for the rest of the trip after negotiating this incredibly twisty route. We turned back when it turned into a GS track at Saint Nazzaro and returned via ferry to Mandello del Lario to tour the now historical Moto-Guzzi M/C factory.

Notes on Vignettes: To ride the Autobahns in Switzerland and Austria you will need to pre purchase a sticker that you display on your windshield. We avoided the autobahns because Austria charges 7.5 Euros for a ten-day vignette and Switzerland makes you buy a pro rated vignette at four Euros a month per year. Since we were in the fifth month we’d have had to pay 32E.

Day Six: Lake Como and through San Moritz to our day’s nightly destination of Landeck, Austria. Only significant pass today was Maloja at 1815 meters, the road followed the Inn River and it was beautiful; and rainy!

Day Seven: Pass City on our ride back into Germany to spend the night at Titisee-Neustadt. 1. St. Anton Pass, 1284 meters. 2. Arlbergpass, 1793 meters. Flexenpass, 1773 meters. 3. Hochtannberg Pass, 1679 meters. We then rode along the Northern Shore of Lake Constance through Switzerland.

Day Eight: We rode through the Schwarzwald-Black Forest today. Took the secondary passes through Munstertal to the A5 Autobahn, our route back to Heidelberg. Took everyone into France to show them the Rhine River and the river barges going through the canal locks. Afternoon rained like crazy!

We had a fantastic trip with great friends and great scenery to enjoy throughout. The roads are incredible and every turn brought a smile to our faces. Stefan Knopf provided us with motorraden that performed flawlessly.

We did hit a little bit of rain, but all in all we were very fortunate that the longest duration was two hours and mostly it rained at night while sleeping.

Only thing I’d do differently next time is to make use of renting one of Knopf Motorrad Reisen’s K75’s. Solo that’s all you’d need for Alps riding.

If you’ve any questions about Alps Riding, please call Don at 480-440-4666.

 
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